is there anything worse [Archive] - Page 2

JoeSemi

12/12/2004, 6:06 PM

Great first post!

Substitute manure for liverpool and you have same problem.

Friend of mine thinks they should be all blowtorched!! Bit extreme but IMO they are a disgrace.

Ask one of them "If Ireland were playing england who would you support?" When they answer Ireland then ask "If manure were playing an Irish club who would you support?" When they answer manure point out the hypocrisy.

More hypocrisy is when they slag off the EL. They dont seem to understand that our league would improve if, instead of spending thousands of sterling annually, they actually supported their local club.

They are all sheep too. The real reason they "support" manure or wankpool is because EVERYONE ELSE DOES. How pathetic. Look at that west brit rag known as the herald on a wednesday. A whole page dedicated to muppets like york supporters club Ireland FFS.

Bottom line if you're Irish support an Irish club.

KOH

When you say they support liverpool or manure "because everyone else does" is a bit of a generalisation Hoop. I'm not too clear on the 'they' you're referring to, to be honest. I've been a Liverpool supporter I'm proud to say since birth and travel to at least three games a year where possible. Its a passion and love I've grown up with since a very young age when I was brought to my 1st game at 5 yrs old. Me being from the country, and having little exposure to an EL club, meant that Liverpool were my 1st love in the way Rovers were yours. Circumstances and location dictated this. As the Saw Doctors said, "first love stays with you forever".

Secondly, I'm not going to go down the cheap route of slagging off the EL either, the way some do. I've played in the EL and been at one of Ireland's best clubs for a few years and have the upmost respect for most people in the league bar a select few. This doesn't stop me supporting Liverpool and also the EL, so don't start tarring everybody who follows a team across the water with the same brush. When I say 'follow' I mean putting their money where their mouth is and not the Johnny Come Latelys who talk for the sake of thinking they know something.

Finally, I'd like to call myself an educated football fan, who has watched and played games in many different countries. If I had the money(here's praying for when I'm older) the first place it'd go would be to a club at home, and then onto a progressive EL club who aren't living in the past; and not to a club across the pond. Thankfully, that would rule Rovers out of the hypothetical equation :D So just give your threads a little more substance and thought in the future before calling followers of Liverpool and whoever else 'sheep' and a 'disgrace' ;)

eoinh

12/12/2004, 8:23 PM

Conor

Lincoln??????????? :confused:

Been to Lincoln last January. It was flippin' freezing. :eek: Climbed a huge hill that was really steep and my lungs were sore with pain because the air was so cold. We ended going`in for a cup of tea and bought a see-through teapot that leaked (Dont ask).

Actually we went into Lincoln Cathedral where a really posh old english fellow guided us around with three others. The three others were three really posh northeners from Antrim. Its terrible to think you can guess someones religion from the way they act but they were obviously COI. Im not sure what they made of us. (ME: God doesnt exist. I think)

Lincoln is nice and the people are very very friendly (like all of the midlands).

eoinh

12/12/2004, 8:28 PM

Getting back to Manchester UTD. Saw the most ironic of ironic items on the news recently. A load of nationalists and the PSNI fighting. One of the young fellas on the nationalist side was out throwing stone at the PSNI while wearing a Man Utd jersey.

So he fights British occupation by buying a jersey belonging to an english corporation and attacks the PSNI. The mind boggles :confused:

Macy

13/12/2004, 8:39 AM

Maybe yer should've spent a bit more time in some of Manchesters Irish centres or pubs, it might've saved you from getting caught up in all this english regional rivalries that most of us 2G's find totally foreign, plus it might've saved you from getting your b@lls busted by Brice. :D
Balls busted - hardly.

I don't really get the 2G's point tbh. I'm no different to the 2nd Generation I knew and went to school with. No different of being proud of Dublin, Cork, Longford etc imo. Could be a difference between London and Manchester maybe? More open and integrated city possibly (on a serious point)?

NY Hoop

13/12/2004, 9:46 AM

When you say they support liverpool or manure "because everyone else does" is a bit of a generalisation Hoop. I'm not too clear on the 'they' you're referring to, to be honest. I've been a Liverpool supporter I'm proud to say since birth and travel to at least three games a year where possible. Its a passion and love I've grown up with since a very young age when I was brought to my 1st game at 5 yrs old. Me being from the country, and having little exposure to an EL club, meant that Liverpool were my 1st love in the way Rovers were yours. Circumstances and location dictated this. As the Saw Doctors said, "first love stays with you forever".

Secondly, I'm not going to go down the cheap route of slagging off the EL either, the way some do. I've played in the EL and been at one of Ireland's best clubs for a few years and have the upmost respect for most people in the league bar a select few. This doesn't stop me supporting Liverpool and also the EL, so don't start tarring everybody who follows a team across the water with the same brush. When I say 'follow' I mean putting their money where their mouth is and not the Johnny Come Latelys who talk for the sake of thinking they know something.

Finally, I'd like to call myself an educated football fan, who has watched and played games in many different countries. If I had the money(here's praying for when I'm older) the first place it'd go would be to a club at home, and then onto a progressive EL club who aren't living in the past; and not to a club across the pond. Thankfully, that would rule Rovers out of the hypothetical equation :D So just give your threads a little more substance and thought in the future before calling followers of Liverpool and whoever else 'sheep' and a 'disgrace' ;)

Joe,

Can I have your autograph? :D

Of course I have to always qualify my statement by saying that if you follow an english club it is ok as long as you support your local EL club FIRST.

"They" would be the muppets who are in your local boozer cheering on a tv screen who have never seen the sky over an EL ground. The very same people who plead "real fan" status in the scramble over World Cup tickets. The same ****s who spend a small fortune buying english jersies, scarves, car stickers, duvets, mouse pads etc etc etc.

Agree with your first love comment. However if you were brought to your local EL ground when you were 5, despite the distance, they could have been your first love. For example I know a fanatical Galway fan from mayo.

You say you've been at some of Ireland's best clubs? Have you donned the Hoops?

KOH

Junior

13/12/2004, 12:42 PM

For example I know a fanatical Galway fan from mayo.

KOH

Not Galway Brian from Mayo per chance?? :D

JoeSemi

13/12/2004, 8:23 PM

Can I have your autograph? :D

"They" would be the muppets who are in your local boozer cheering on a tv screen who have never seen the sky over an EL ground. The very same people who plead "real fan" status in the scramble over World Cup tickets. The same ****s who spend a small fortune buying english jersies, scarves, car stickers, duvets, mouse pads etc etc etc.
You say you've been at some of Ireland's best clubs? Have you donned the Hoops?

KOH

What address do you want it posted to?

I'm not denying that if circumstances had been different I could have followed an Eircom Lge club, and they would have been the club I dedicated my devotion to. The exposure wasn't around, hence I became a proud Red for what some would have you believe is a sin on this site :confused:

I can second your views on the barstool muppets, and bigwigs from the offices who are 1st in line for Ireland tickets. I've been to almost every Ireland home game since I was 7(sure there's more like me ;)) and nothing irritates me more than the pr!ck out of the office who dishes abuse at players who he's never heard of, or, seen in his life.

What kills me about some EL fans is their entreched views, and the constant whining about the Premiership boom being partly to blame for it's demise for a number of years. Would we have as good a National team but for TV exposure of other leagues around the world? I think not sadly. Thankfully, the EL is on the up and hopefully Shels can continue to set a benchmark for your unfortunate Hoops, Bohs, Cork and the rest. If people looked, listened, learned and acted on what goes on elsewhere in Europe and beyond instead of prolonging the petty chips on their shoulders then we may have a league to be proud of.

Football is a global game after all. Sooner the better some people have that spelt out to them. :D

To answer your question on donning the Hoops shirt.........not in a million years.

Dillo

13/12/2004, 8:28 PM

NY Hoop is just a sh!t Stirer. Nobody likes him anyway. As they sing themselves........... "No one likes us, but we don't care coz we are Rovers...
He's your typical Rovers supporter and reflects the thugish element within the club. Only surprising thing is, he can afford the internet. :rolleyes:

sylvo

13/12/2004, 8:29 PM

Not Galway Brian from Mayo per chance?? :D

That's who I was thinking of funny enough. I had a drink or two ;) with him In Basel in september.

�anna

13/12/2004, 8:30 PM

JoeSemi

13/12/2004, 8:32 PM

Dillo, attack the post, not the poster, please. No need to start slagging people off.

Phil Babb attacked the post and not the poster and got hurt :D

Dillo

13/12/2004, 8:32 PM

No problem Eanna. NY Hoop just seems to bring out the bad side in me for some reason. :o

sylvo

13/12/2004, 8:57 PM

Balls busted - hardly.

I don't really get the 2G's point tbh. I'm no different to the 2nd Generation I knew and went to school with. No different of being proud of Dublin, Cork, Longford etc imo. Could be a difference between London and Manchester maybe? More open and integrated city possibly (on a serious point)?

Nothing wrong with being proud of where you come from or the community which you come from, but its when you get Irish people get carried away with English football and regional rivalry's and almost look down their nose at one another that I don't understand. Personally I don't follow any English club so that proberly helps me look at things more this way.

I know People down here that carry on like that about Scousers and Mancs and even got it into their heads that Arsenal is an Irish club because of the amount of Irish players they had in the 70's and because of the fact that Highbury was once surrounded by huge Irish community's living in that part of North London so to be Irish and not support Arsenal is almost a knee capping offence to them (you could'nt make it up the stuff some of them say). That's why I find any talk like that which in anyway is of a division to the Irish community here in this country just sad.

Maybe if some of these eejit's went to a few Ireland games and met some more people from other Irish communitys around Sassana it might teach them to grow up.
Maybe you should go to one or two more yerself and stop worrying about Cockney's so much seeing yer living at home now.

eoinh

13/12/2004, 8:57 PM

What address do you want it posted to?

I'm not denying that if circumstances had been different I could have followed an Eircom Lge club, and they would have been the club I dedicated my devotion to. The exposure wasn't around, hence I became a proud Red for what some would have you believe is a sin on this site :confused:

I can second your views on the barstool muppets, and bigwigs from the offices who are 1st in line for Ireland tickets. I've been to almost every Ireland home game since I was 7(sure there's more like me ;)) and nothing irritates me more than the pr!ck out of the office who dishes abuse at players who he's never heard of, or, seen in his life.

What kills me about some EL fans is their entreched views, and the constant whining about the Premiership boom being partly to blame for it's demise for a number of years. Would we have as good a National team but for TV exposure of other leagues around the world? I think not sadly. Thankfully, the EL is on the up and hopefully Shels can continue to set a benchmark for your unfortunate Hoops, Bohs, Cork and the rest. If people looked, listened, learned and acted on what goes on elsewhere in Europe and beyond instead of prolonging the petty chips on their shoulders then we may have a league to be proud of.

Football is a global game after all. Sooner the better some people have that spelt out to them. :D

To answer your question on donning the Hoops shirt.........not in a million years.

I would agree with most of that except for one thing. We dont get to see other leagues around europe. We get to see whatever British teams are playing. RTE and TV3 very rarely show what would be considered the top matchs in the champions league, its usually a match which involves a British team. Sometimes British teams are involved in the match of the night other times no. We recently had the ridiculous spectacle of a Celtic match been shown when they had already been knocked out of the champions league. The likelihood is that for us Irish television viewers we have hardly seen the favourities for the trophy in action yet. :rolleyes:

JoeSemi

13/12/2004, 9:20 PM

I would agree with most of that except for one thing. We dont get to see other leagues around europe. We get to see whatever British teams are playing. RTE and TV3 very rarely show what would be considered the top matchs in the champions league, its usually a match which involves a British team. Sometimes British teams are involved in the match of the night other times no. We recently had the ridiculous spectacle of a Celtic match been shown when they had already been knocked out of the champions league. The likelihood is that for us Irish television viewers we have hardly seen the favourities for the trophy in action yet. :rolleyes:

I agree with you in relation to RTE and tv3 (they do their best for what they have), but we all know what their about at this stage, so why not switch off? I'm sure the auld Sky Digical service is floatin about somehere down in them parts. Probably not- its Cork after all!

Last weekends line-up of European football included:
Albacete-Barca on Sat. nite
Bologna-Juve Sunday nite
Real-Sociedad Sunday nite,

plus a whole array of highlights packages from all Spanish, Italian, German games; along with top games in Holland, France, Belgium, Portugal and sometimes Greece. There's enough there to chose from I think.

4tothefloor

13/12/2004, 9:51 PM

If people looked, listened, learned and acted on what goes on elsewhere in Europe and beyond instead of prolonging the petty chips on their shoulders then we may have a league to be proud of.

Best statement of the whole lot. The reason that the EL is so crap in comparison to the Premiership is 100% the fault of the incompetent arseholes who have run the EL clubs and the LOI over the last 30 years. It's because of fighting, petty squabbles, a complete lack of foresight, absolutely no club development, no ground investments etc, etc, etc.

Tell me, where are all the EL youth academies? Where are the top class grounds? Why didn't Shamrock Rovers invest and plan for the future all those years ago when they were getting crowds of 20,000+? The same can be said of my own club Limerick, who used to pack the Markets field - crowds equivelant to many English league clubs. Instead, all you can really say is, what a complete shower of useless w@nkers! THEY messed up Irish football, not the premiership. Is it the premiership's fault that instead of developing their club, Shamrock Rovers chose to SELL their ground, and are still homeless to this day?! Where did the money go? Who benefited from the sale? Is it no wonder fans got ****ed off and turned to the English league? Limerick are also still homeless to this day (although this is about to change). How do you expect football supporters to follow and support **** like that? It is a sad state of affairs that a club like Shelbourne, who have no fans, can become the power that they are becoming. It says it all really about the EL.

NY Hoop, you say supporting premiership teams is sad etc. You're the one that is sad if you think that the premiership is the cause of our sub-standard national league. You should look a little closer at Irish football before spouting rubbish. Give Irish football supporters reasons to get out and support their clubs. Give them reasons to ditch the premiership clubs. So what have Shamrock Rovers got to offer? Not even a home ground! :p Nuff said.....

EL fans need to take a reality check. Yes the league is improving. Yes it would be great if crowds were up etc. But if you want to convince the Irish football fan to swap his 3\4 trips across channel each season for his local EL club, you're going to have to work a lot harder i'm afraid. And remember, it's the incompetence of the 'football people' in this country that you're trying to make up for. Don't blame it on the fan, calling people 'barstoolers' is just an easy, lazy option.

I support both Liverpool and Limerick FC, as well as going to most of Irelands games. From my perspective, an EL fan being bitter about the premiership is a lot more sad than Irish fans supporting premiership clubs. (You've conveniently forgotton that our national team players all play their football in Britain, and have done for as long as I care to remember....)

eoinh

13/12/2004, 10:01 PM

So Barca & Milan aren't currently favourites...... :rolleyes: sometimes people on here,talk out their anal apertures!Or even our good friends from'Scum' Trafford 1 :eek:

Hardly seen,davros. Again "Hardly seen".

Barca are my favourites.

Sheridan

13/12/2004, 10:16 PM

Hardly seen,davros. Again "Hardly seen".

Barca are my favourites.
Some quotes from RT�'s most recent broadcast to re-emphasise this point.

Bill O'Herlihy: I suppose the big story from last night's games was Celtic's failure to make the UEFA Cup (Yes, Bill, you f*cking tosspot, on a night when eight teams made it through to the second phase, the big story was one side's failure to qualify for the repechage event.)

John Giles (discussing Barcelona's chances): We only cover a certain amount of teams, so I haven't seen much of them...

I'm sick of this balls. Anyone would be forgiven for thinking that the ECL is a competition in which sides from around Europe take on British teams until there are none left, at which point a series of low-profile play-off games decides the destination of the consolation trophy. :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

eoinh

14/12/2004, 8:53 AM

Some quotes from RT�'s most recent broadcast to re-emphasise this point.

Bill O'Herlihy: I suppose the big story from last night's games was Celtic's failure to make the UEFA Cup (Yes, Bill, you f*cking tosspot, on a night when eight teams made it through to the second phase, the big story was one side's failure to qualify for the repechage event.)

John Giles (discussing Barcelona's chances): We only cover a certain amount of teams, so I haven't seen much of them...

I'm sick of this balls. Anyone would be forgiven for thinking that the ECL is a competition in which sides from around Europe take on British teams until there are none left, at which point a series of low-profile play-off games decides the destination of the consolation trophy. :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

I agree totally. I pay my licence fee. One of the few shows i watch on RTE (and TV3) is their european coverage and we dont get to see the top matchs. Sometimes this involves British teams but more often it doesnt. This isnt being anti-British. I dont want to see Albanian teams constantly on my screen either while watching the champions league, this doesnt make me anti-albanian.

The first season RTE started showing the champions league i really thought it was a great night for televised football in Ireland. Sadly, I was wrong when on one of the first nights AC Milan (then European Cup Holders) were playing Real Madrid. What match did RTE show? Blackburn Rovers v Rosenbourg. My mind boggled.

If people looked, listened, learned and acted on what goes on elsewhere in Europe and beyond instead of prolonging the petty chips on their shoulders then we may have a league to be proud of.

Your reply to this 4tothefloor was

Best statement of the whole lot. The reason that the EL is so crap in comparison to the Premiership is 100% the fault of the incompetent arseholes who have run the EL clubs and the LOI over the last 30 years. It's because of fighting, petty squabbles, a complete lack of foresight, absolutely no club development, no ground investments etc, etc, etc.

Im sorry but look at Irish Television we arent allowed to look at the best. We are constantly denied that right. English football has won one UEFA Cup in the 25 years. And this was only after it was expanded to let in the losers from the champions league. And they have had one winner in the European Cup in the last twenty years. In that time their league has overall lost the indepth strength that is still found elsewhere.

To look at how wisely money can be spent I wouldnt look to England.

4tothefloor

15/12/2004, 1:02 AM

Your reply to this 4tothefloor was

Im sorry but look at Irish Television we arent allowed to look at the best. We are constantly denied that right. English football has won one UEFA Cup in the 25 years. And this was only after it was expanded to let in the losers from the champions league. And they have had one winner in the European Cup in the last twenty years. In that time their league has overall lost the indepth strength that is still found elsewhere.

To look at how wisely money can be spent I wouldnt look to England.

What has this got to do with my statement??? :confused: What has the incompetence of Irish football administrators over the last 30 years got to do with RTE tv coverage of foreign football?? What planet are you on??

(BTW, Liverpool won that UEFA cup as a UEFA cup qualifier, not as a team that qualified due to failure in the Champions League group stages - which actually makes their achievement all the better, as they had to face & beat champions league opposition on their way....so I don't understand what you mean by "And this was only after it was expanded to let in the losers from the champions league"???)

gustavo

15/12/2004, 1:27 AM

RTE are only using market forces . yea they probably should give eL coverage but they put english teams on live in the cL cos they know there are a lot of fans of those teams in the country . simple as that .

eoinh

15/12/2004, 5:18 PM

(BTW, Liverpool won that UEFA cup as a UEFA cup qualifier, not as a team that qualified due to failure in the Champions League group stages - which actually makes their achievement all the better, as they had to face & beat champions league opposition on their way....so I don't understand what you mean by "And this was only after it was expanded to let in the losers from the champions league"???)

Im sorry but Liverpool did win the UEFA Cup after the Champions league was expanded. I didnt say that Liverpool didnt qualify for the UEFA Cup directly. IMO taking second, third and fourth placed teams from Italy, Spain and Germany out of the UEFA Cup and second placed teams from other leagues does devalue it. You are lowering the quality of the cometition. How could it not otherwise?

What has this got to do with my statement??? What has the incompetence of Irish football administrators over the last 30 years got to do with RTE tv coverage of foreign football?? What planet are you on??

You replied to a poster who was saying that we need to learn from European Football by going on a praising spree about the premiership. The point being made by that poster and by myself is that we arent able to learn from, observe and study the best of european football because we dont get to see it. Have we yet seen a live champions league match involving two non-british teams? The answer is no.

For the league here to improve there is no point in studying the premiership as it operates on a whole different basis. England is a country with many large cities and a huge population plus a media that is very uncritical. For the LOI to learn we have to look to smaller countries and clubs that have made the breakthrough.

4tothefloor

17/12/2004, 9:00 PM

we arent able to learn from, observe and study the best of european football because we dont get to see it. Have we yet seen a live champions league match involving two non-british teams? The answer is no.

The answer is yes. Sky Digital. You can watch any game you want on CL nights through their multi-screen. You also have Spanish football. Eurosport shows the highlights of all the european leagues just after the weekend. They also show live Serie A football. It's there if you want it, so I don't know what you're talking about.

RTE have to justify their expenditure on CL football through ratings, and thats why they follow the British teams. That said, they don't even do that. They follow Man Ure, and only another team if they really have to, or are forced to, e.g. Liverpool V Deportivo. If you want european football, get satellite, simple as that. Don't blame RTE.

Closed Account 2

19/12/2004, 2:47 AM

No different of being proud of Dublin, Cork, Longford etc imo. Could be a difference between London and Manchester maybe? More open and integrated city possibly (on a serious point)?

Dunno about that, it seems to have similar problems when compared to other big cities...

Man stabbed for speaking Russian
A Latvian man was stabbed in the head by a gang of teenagers after they heard him speaking Russian, police say.
The 38-year-old was walking home along Lower Broughton Road in Salford, Greater Manchester, with two friends on Friday when the youths turned on them.

A man and woman, both 32, received minor injuries in the racist attack, which happened late on Friday night.

Police are keen to trace a black cab that drove along Lower Broughton Road during the attack.

The taxi driver had picked up two people in Manchester and was driving along Lower Broughton Road.

The driver is thought to have slowed down as he passed the scene of the attack, and pulled out to avoid a car, thought to be a Nissan Micra, which had stopped.

'Vicious attack'

Police believe the owner of the Micra helped the victims.

Det Ch Insp Sam Haworth, of Greater Manchester Police, said: "This was a vicious attack that has left a man fighting for his life in hospital.

"I would urge anyone with information to contact us. There would have been plenty of people around between 2230 and 2345 GMT as the Prince of Wales pub and several takeaways are in the immediate area of the attack.

"We would like to speak to anyone who may have seen this incident or who stopped to help the injured man."

The second man was taken to Hope Hospital, Salford with stab wounds to his stomach and cuts and bruises.

The woman was taken to the Royal Bolton Hospital with cuts to her face and a stab wound to the back.

Both were released from hospital on Tuesday.

(http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/manchester/4077691.stm)
Wednesday, 8 December, 2004, 10:44 GMT

Mate of mine who was at Uni there recalled some of his coursemates being attacked. One had long hair, so his attackers decided to sing "Mboop" by Hanson (as their lead singer apparently has long hair) as they kicked him in the head till he was unconscious. Another time a girl had her leg broken on the pavement after a gang of youths decided to feel her up and she tried to run away. Youth / Gang crime is fairly common in bad parts of most big cities, dont really think Manchester is an exception.