Heary bucked out of Sligo

[KeepersBall]

According to the Mail today.

[nr637]

Any Sligo fans with an update on this story.

Soccer Republic panel mentioned that it was only a matter of time that the club would release an official statement about Heary's contract being terminated or as we all know really........sacked!

Maybe there is some contractual negotiations to be sorted out on both sides...........?

Anyone from Sligo in the know?

:confused:

[Nah Nah Nah Nah]

Heary refusing to leave supposedly which I presume means they can't arrange a pay off.

[sligoman]

A bit of gardening leave is needed I'd say.

[Longfordian]

He's chained himself to the Showgrounds apparently.

[vinnie]

A bit of gardening leave is needed I'd say.

Can yiz afford that ? I mean paying 2 managers

[Nesta99]

Can yiz afford that ? I mean paying 2 managers

Well if its good enough for one Rovers its good enough for the other!

[dong]

Well to be fair to him if he had a deal he's entitled to get what he's owed. Who in any walk of life would do differently?
From the outside looking in it appears the players have stopped playing for him. Familiar territory for recent Rovers managers.

[dong]

He did bring in a lot of those players so he has a lot to answer for himself as well it seems to me.

[Charlie Darwin]

Well if its good enough for one Rovers its good enough for the other!
Classic Rovers. Can only assume he'll go on and win the title with Limerick in two years.

[Nah Nah Nah Nah]

He did bring in a lot of those players so he has a lot to answer for himself as well it seems to me.

To be fair to him most of the players who appear to have thrown their toys out more than others are there quite a few seasons

[rooster]

http://www.newstalk.com/Its-official:-Owen-Heary-and-Sligo-Rovers-have-parted-ways

[Mr A]

Have to laugh at the websites saying this is official when Sligo have released no statement. Maybe they never will and Heary will always be their manager.

[outspoken]

Have to laugh at the websites saying this is official when Sligo have released no statement. Maybe they never will and Heary will always be their manager.

Exactly. Is Stuey Byrne not a journalist like everyone else? What makes it so official from him compared to everyone else who already ''broke'' the story.

[Yossarian]

Exactly. Is Stuey Byrne not a journalist like everyone else? What makes it so official from him compared to everyone else who already ''broke'' the story.

Byrne is Heary's best mate and two weeks ago on Newstalk he was implying that Heary would be staying at Sligo and now he's saying he's gone so you can be sure that's coming straight from Heary.

[Charlie Darwin]

Byrne is Heary's best mate and two weeks ago on Newstalk he was implying that Heary would be staying at Sligo and now he's saying he's gone so you can be sure that's coming straight from Heary.
I'm sure it is true, as we've known for weeks, but that doesn't make it official.

[Yossarian]

I'm sure it is true, as we've known for weeks, but that doesn't make it official.

Of course. I'd imagine the only discussion that is happening now is on how much of a payoff he'll get.

[Mr A]

I reckon they're just pretending not to be in and hoping Heary goes away.

[Martinho II]

whoever is chairman should quit after that fiasco! in paper today said that Stephen Devaney is unsettled and wants to quit! is he the local lad?

[outspoken]

whoever is chairman should quit after that fiasco! in paper today said that Stephen Devaney is unsettled and wants to quit! is he the local lad?

I'm assuming that's Kevin Devaney who signed from Bohs?

[Nah Nah Nah Nah]

whoever is chairman should quit after that fiasco! in paper today said that Stephen Devaney is unsettled and wants to quit! is he the local lad?

There was something along those lines about Steven Beattie in The Sun

[Nah Nah Nah Nah]

Of course. I'd imagine the only discussion that is happening now is on how much of a payoff he'll get.

Theres been tribunals sorted out quicker then this payoff

[dong]

Sorry state of affairs really.

[SkStu]

One thing is certain. Owen and StueyB #bff #bestmates.

[redobit]

whoever is chairman should quit after that fiasco! in paper today said that Stephen Devaney is unsettled and wants to quit! is he the local lad?

I assume you mean Kevin Devaney. It's not that he's unsettled, its that he's an absolute crap footballer.

[Nah Nah Nah Nah]

I assume you mean Kevin Devaney. It's not that he's unsettled, its that he's an absolute crap footballer.

It was Beattie. Supposedly wants to go to Shams.

[Charlie Darwin]

It was Beattie. Supposedly wants to go to Shams.
Good to hear, we could definitely use the help selling matchday programmes.

[Longfordian]

So the new tactic is to claim Heary resigned so he isn't owed money? Good luck with that one.

[Martinho II]

did Heary say much about Sligo last nite on Setanta?

[redobit]

So the new tactic is to claim Heary resigned so he isn't owed money? Good luck with that one.

If you are reinstated but don't take up your previous post ... does that mean you have stepped down? Genuinely don't know, just asking!

A strange sorry mess.

[redobit]

did Heary say much about Sligo last nite on Setanta?

For his own sake I think he might have said too much. Our name is dirt on this either way but if he had said that an agreement to part ways was made between him and the club, then he wouldn't have a sacking on his CV!

[Longfordian]

If you are reinstated but don't take up your previous post ... does that mean you have stepped down? Genuinely don't know, just asking!

A strange sorry mess.

He could (most likely successfully) claim that they'd completely undermined him and made his position untenable. Constructive dismissal.

Edit: Sligo are now saying they reached an agreement with Heary's lawyer. Do they have that in writing?

[Nesta99]

Wonder where Heary can go to from here now. Cant see managerial changes happening in the league unless Derry get really sucked in to the relegation battle and I doubt they'd take a punt on Heary now. One win by Limerick and the sides above will be looking over the shoulder. Croly has really made a difference at Bray. Would make ye wonder why managers at Rovers since O'Neill have struggled yet moved on and done well (early days for Croly I know). Fenlon at least has the pedigree to have Rovers stick but then the same could be said about Kenny. We shall see. Do Rovers fans expect to win the league this season or is it considered a work in progress. Challange to the end and european qualification enough?

Ok it is off topic now that I looked back....

[Charlie Darwin]

It's an ineresting topic that probably merits a thread of its own.

I think it just shows that different clubs are very different environments. For instance, why did Fenlon succeed with big budgets at Shels and Bohs but failed with a big budget at Derry? We all know Derry don't take kindly to outsiders, but then Kenny went there and bought into the club and did very well.

It depends on the manager too, obviously: Kenny's gone to Derry and Dundalk and done very well because he's been able to work with young players get to them to perform better than they have under any other manager, whereas at Rovers he inherited experienced players accustomed to success and they just never bought into what he was doing. Croly, similarly, seems to be doing very well with a young and limited squad, but at Rovers he had older, more talented players and got very little from them.

Heary, despite what Bohs fans say, did actually get an awful lot out of a fairly limited squad there, and the success Long has had doesn't change that. At Sligo, he's just in a different situation and it's probably shown up his lack of experience in dealing with better players in an environment where there's no time or patience for developing a squad, just like Rovers.

[dong]

I think there might have been some patience for 5th or 6th but what transpired wasn't acceptable really. Not at any club.
The sorry mess it has turned into and the fact he was apparently given a two year lucrative contract is hardly his fault however.

[Nesta99]

The old 'mods maybe some of this should be moved' comment to start.

SK has almost complete control at Dundalk, given his budget and then work on. I'd imagine he can ask for additional funds like the fee paid for Horgan if it makes sense. I'd presume it was the same at Derry...! Established players at a club at much higher levels have influenced club boards, Leeds Utd being an example many years ago with Clough. It is up to a board to back a manager in this case imo. What will happen at Sligo (and maybe Shams) is that when the board gets a rep for being trigger happy they hang on too long and possibly what Rovers did with Croly. Bit of a contradiction I know in what ive said. It will be very interesting what Sligo do, especially with their former tendency to appoint from outside the LoI circle with more success than not. Does Ndo have his pro licence? After todays result it could be out of the frying pan in to the fire. With Dundalk we were coming from such a low ebb anything or anyone would have been an improvement but the club went out and convinced a manager with pedigree to sign up and how it worked! Sligo's troubles weakens the league and it would be a pity if the were relegated. Having potentially 3 North West clubs and Galway potentially in the top division next season would be great. I dunno, I do feel sorry for Sligo fans with the fall from grace and with little light at the end of the tunnel. To strong over the full season to go down but maybe with the right manager? Cooke in to stabalise things :p

[Charlie Darwin]

Well, to be fair, I have consistently said on here sacking Kenny when he was was the right decision, and it is the one time the current board have done it (you could make an argument for Scully, but that's another day's work). I don't the club backed Croly for any reasons of outside perception - I think he sold a grand vision to the club and they backed it, and many of the structures Croly put in place remain, for which he should be commended. The B team didn't work, but it's another of his ideas that was well thought-out but was just not feasible for the time it was put into place.

[dong]

What structures did Croly put in place that remain?

[Sam_Heggy]

Amazed at this, genuinely thought Sligo always seemed to conduct themselves in a pretty professional way but this is just madness.

[Charlie Darwin]

What structures did Croly put in place that remain?
All the coaching and integration among the youth system is mostly his plans.

[Calcio Jack]

Well, to be fair, I have consistently said on here sacking Kenny when he was was the right decision, and it is the one time the current board have done it (you could make an argument for Scully, but that's another day's work). I don't the club backed Croly for any reasons of outside perception - I think he sold a grand vision to the club and they backed it, and many of the structures Croly put in place remain, for which he should be commended. The B team didn't work, but it's another of his ideas that was well thought-out but was just not feasible for the time it was put into place.

It was the Rovers Board not Croly that made and implemented the decision to go with the B team- an absolute 100% debacle in the context of the club's finances and a decision that the Board never explained in terms of what the benefits they expected from it and of course from which nothing accrued except the spending of approx €100k with nothing to show for it- one of a series of poor decisions made by them over the last few seasons.

[bennocelt]

was it not to curry favour with the big man from the FAI?

[Nesta99]

was it not to curry flavour with the big man from the FAI?

Post fixed!!

[SkStu]

Heary, despite what Bohs fans say, did actually get an awful lot out of a fairly limited squad there, and the success Long has had doesn't change that. At Sligo, he's just in a different situation and it's probably shown up his lack of experience in dealing with better players in an environment where there's no time or patience for developing a squad, just like Rovers.

Heary was poisonous at Bohs as a player and poison as a manager. He led Callaghans team to safety - no mean feat - but he crumpled like the cheap suit he is when he had to build his own "brand". Here's what I wrote before and it's true.


He was never universally liked as a Bohs player Marty - rightly or wrongly a lot couldn't get past the Shels years -but he definitely won over many when he stayed on post-collapse. However, when Callaghan started doing poorly there were rumours that this was exacerbated by Heary who undermined him constantly and then Aaron eventually lost the dressing room completely which allowed **** pants to sweep in and assume what he clearly felt should be his. In fairness, he did lead Callaghans team to safety that season. However his first proper season with HIS signings he was poison. His results were atrocious, his selections were haphazard and lacked continuity and the style of play - which I can't comment on from my own perspective - was supposedly awful. He was detested by the time he left by most of the fans and he just wasn't a very inspiring or good manager.

[Charlie Darwin]

Ah you'll admit yourself it was a poor squad he was working with. They got some very good results against much more talented sides, which is generally how you measure a manager's achievements at a club with a smaller budget and standard of player. That doesn't mean the manner in which he left the club and his subsequent failure at Sligo aren't all completely on his own back either. I wouldn't have him at Rovers either and I doubt Bohs would have him back even if they weren't doing well this year, but he did a better job than I think he could be expected to at Bohs.

edit: on a side note, where does the **** pants thing come from?

[ThePrisoner]

It was the Rovers Board not Croly that made and implemented the decision to go with the B team- an absolute 100% debacle in the context of the club's finances and a decision that the Board never explained in terms of what the benefits they expected from it and of course from which nothing accrued except the spending of approx €100k with nothing to show for it- one of a series of poor decisions made by them over the last few seasons.

Don't forget the small matter of the friendly last year in the Aviva. That was your payback and then some.

[redobit]

Don't forget the small matter of the friendly last year in the Aviva. That was your payback and then some.

And that's the sort of crap that pi**es other fans off and say that the FAI shown favouritism to Shamrock. Didn't Shams sign up for 2 years in the FD too!!

[Calcio Jack]

And that's the sort of crap that pi**es other fans off and say that the FAI shown favouritism to Shamrock. Didn't Shams sign up for 2 years in the FD too!!

I'd say what really pi**es off other LOI fans is the reality that when match promoters are setting up so called glamour friendlies (Real Madrid, Liverpool at Aviva etc.) their default choice for good commercial reasons is to pay Rovers a fee to provide the opposition.

We signed up for one season in the First Div and our involvement had nothing to with anything except the Board having some never convincing vague strategic plan that participation would over time be beneficial to the club - which as I already mentioned made no sense in the context of the state of the club's finances at the end of 2013.And it turned out to be another hugely expensive og by the Board.

[SkStu]

I'd say what really pi**es off other LOI fans is the reality that when match promoters are setting up so called glamour friendlies (Real Madrid, Liverpool at Aviva etc.) their default choice for good commercial reasons is to pay Rovers a fee to provide the opposition.

that's the first time i've seen "default" and "Rovers" in the same sentence in that context. :)

[Dodge]

I'd say what really pi**es off other LOI fans is the reality that when match promoters are setting up so called glamour friendlies (Real Madrid, Liverpool at Aviva etc.) their default choice for good commercial reasons is to pay Rovers a fee to provide the opposition.
.

Rovers weren't first choice for Platinum when setting up the Real Madrid game. They just happened to be the only PD Dublin club not in European action at the time