Big changes at Bray Wanderers

[outspoken]

He's really not helping himself taking pop shots at anyone remotely attached to bray, he needs to just put up or shut up at this stage

[Jofspring]

On one hand I agree, there is a way to do things but on the other hand it seems, going by his tweets, that Bray are basically trying to put him off long enough in the hope he gives up.

[gufcfan]

On one hand I agree, there is a way to do things but on the other hand it seems, going by his tweets, that Bray are basically trying to put him off long enough in the hope he gives up.

It looks he was more than reasonable with them and that he is now frustrated at the people involved at times implying he is unreasonable, other times being told he'll get sorted and the rest of the time being ignored completely.

[Dodge]

It looks he was more than reasonable with them and that he is now frustrated at the people involved at times implying he is unreasonable, other times being told he'll get sorted and the rest of the time being ignored completely.
Still hasn't provided a contract to prove he's owed money. If he had one, then the case would be settled

[Charlie Darwin]

Still hasn't provided a contract to prove he's owed money. If he had one, then the case would be settled
He's hardly going to either. Think he just wants somebody to intervene and get the club to sort it. Knowing how most teams in this league work, I'd be shocked if he wasn't completely in the right.

[Joe Strummer]

Still hasn't provided a contract to prove he's owed money. If he had one, then the case would be settled

Here is the contract
http://s14.postimg.org/hy1njl5lt/quigley.png

[Joe Strummer]

Solicitors letter from Bray saying he earns €200 PW while contract says €100 PW.

http://s15.postimg.org/xjb4agxcr/letter.png

[Dodge]

Here is the contract
http://s14.postimg.org/hy1njl5lt/quigley.png

That's not the contract he's owed money on. He claims he's owed money for coaching (as per solicitors letters)

He's shown playing contracts, several letters and hasn't provided the contract he's owed money on

If it was about playing wages the PFAI would be on it.

So the only logical conclusion is that he was being paid off the books by agreement with the former board/manager.

It's clear he has been ****ed about by the old Bray crowd but if he was happy to work off the books for them, then he has to take some responsility for the mess

EDIT: oh and another thing that probably points to something a bit murky here is the complete lack of media coverage this is getting. Where players are owed money, the papers are usually all over it. It's only a guess but I think the journos here are leaving this alone as its even too messy for them. It clearly isn't an open and shut 'player owed wages' story

[Longfordian]

A contract of employment doesn't have to be in writing. Obviously you're entitled to be provided with a written one but it doesn't necessarily mean he's not owed the coaching money just because he doesn't have one. I'd imagine a lot of coaches in LOI don't have written contracts. That said it'll be difficult to prove if it's just his word against Bray's. He'd need ex players or staff to back him up and presumably they don't want to for whatever reason.

[Dodge]

The contract is also void if either side is aware that statutory obligations aren't being met

[dublinwanderer]

my question is why didn't he come forward last season, why wait until now. Is it because we have new owners/board and he is chancing his arm? FAI and PFAI are not involved so he must not have a leg to stand on!

[Mr A]

Perhaps, or he may have been fobbed off last year and then kicked up around licensing time this year as its the time of maximum leverage against clubs.

Also he has said he was not a PFAI member so they wouldn't get involved.

[Longfordian]

He's said he's been looking for this money for well over a year and decided to go as public as he can to put pressure on Bray. He was certainly looking for the money well before anyone knew anything about the takeover.

[Dodge]

Perhaps, or he may have been fobbed off last year and then kicked up around licensing time this year as its the time of maximum leverage against clubs.

Also he has said he was not a PFAI member so they wouldn't get involved.
He has said others are owed money as well. Surely someone was in the PFAI (which, I'll remind everyone isn't a union anymore)

https://twitter.com/darquigs/status/545968099045179393

[bluewhitearmy]

I don't know the whole story but is this a case of Quigley receiving payments under the table again and getting caught out with it again?

[gufcfan]

I don't know the whole story but is this a case of Quigley receiving payments under the table again and getting caught out with it again?

I'd much sooner blame the club than the player for that.

[bluewhitearmy]

I'd much sooner blame the club than the player for that.

I'm not blaming anyone I don't even know if that is whats going on with this situation.

[tippex]

This all looks murky as hell.the only bits that I know abut this is that Darren has coached kids as just for keepers (the kids paid Darren directly) I never heard of him coaching the club.
He has posted proof that the club paid a cheque to just for keepers back in 2012.

I think he should get everything is laid out in black and white and not piecemeal and then send it to the fai, the club and then if necessary post all the evidence online if needs be.
I get the whole frustration thing.

[Dodge]

I see he has tweeted today that he has never coached at Bray, but that Bray have paid his coaching company/bank account

The earlier Bray letter suggested the disputed money was for coaching.

I had thought he had confirmed this but I was clearly wrong.

[DRDoc]

My understanding is that the club acknowledged in the past that he was owed the money and asked him to be patient - which he was - but that after a long time of non payment - he had to escalate the matter - and after getting no where with the club asked the FAI for assistance - when the FAI ignored him he then starting making noise about it - then the club sent him a solicitors letter saying no money was owed - despite the fact that they previously agreed, accepted and acknowledged the debt.

[Dodge]

My understanding is that the club acknowledged in the past that he was owed the money and asked him to be patient - which he was - but that after a long time of non payment - he had to escalate the matter - and after getting no where with the club asked the FAI for assistance - when the FAI ignored him he then starting making noise about it - then the club sent him a solicitors letter saying no money was owed - despite the fact that they previously agreed, accepted and acknowledged the debt.
Isn't that the crux of the argument? Who is the "club"?

A man no longer on the board has certainly indicated (in the past through texts) that Quigley was owed money.

The new "club" or their spokespeople clearly disagree.

[bluewhitearmy]

Isn't that the crux of the argument? Who is the "club"?

A man no longer on the board has certainly indicated (in the past through texts) that Quigley was owed money.

The new "club" or their spokespeople clearly disagree.


And tbf to them if it was under the table money being paid by previous regime then it is nothing to do with the new crowd.

[Mr A]

It was confirmed on one of the radio pieces that Quigley linked to that the McGettigan Group takeover is still in process and not completed.

BYW- I once again urge people to be very careful what they post and how they post it on this topic. These people threatened foot.ie before, and I'd hate to see Bray chat banned again!

[gael353]

Bray should be demoted ala derry and cork. With ucd back up (it'll be like the o'callaghan issue never existed) But with the mgettigans just getting involved they'd more then likely lose the investment and go bust. Fai in catch 22 will remain stum on the issue.

[paykanti]

Why am I hearing Waterford are replacing Bray? I'd answer it myself by going to the source of the rumour but I can't use twitter for the life of me and google is bringing up nothing.

[Mr A]

Speculation because Waterford got a premier license, but Bray haven't one yet. Even if Bray don't get theirs sorted I can't imagine it'd be Waterford going up. More likely it'd be UCD, they got a premier license last year after all.

[Dodge]

'As things stand' only 12 teams have a PD licence and Waterford is one of them

I don't think there's anyone who believes Bray won't get theirs

[DRDoc]

Obviously Bray have received their license now, but any update on what is happening with Quigley and the other players owed money?

[Mr A]

Clearly everything is in order, they wouldn't have got a license otherwise. :cool:

[Longfordian]

Quigley was tweeting the other day that nothing has changed with regard to any money he's allegedly owed.

[Dodge]

Quigley was tweeting the other day that nothing has changed with regard to any money he's allegedly owed.

Sure why would there be. They say they don't owe him anything

[Joe Strummer]

Bray have to pay him €6100, delighted for him, Now how did the club manage to get a licence Mr Gavin??
http://www.thesun.ie/irishsol/homepage/sport/7190554/Bray-Wanderers-ordered-to-pay-former-goalkeeper-Darren-Quigley-6100.html

[Longfordian]

Sure you can't believe what the courts say. The FAI will have looked into it fully and I know who I'd believe.

[disgruntled]

I know who I would be likely to believe as well and it would't be the FAI :lying:
I think at this stage we all realise that the licencing system comes in a make it up as you go along kit.
Otherwise we'd be lucky to have a handful of clubs still in existence

Of course its one thing to be awarded a sum by the courts & a totally different thing to actually be paid that award ;)

[ForzaHoop]

It's great for Bray but why haven't McGettigans a local Donegal businessman invested or bought Finn Harps as they have a new stadium on the way and huge possible support if properly invested

[Nesta99]

Not as something like this hasnt happened before with the Dundalk Donnelly family investing massively in Shels from the early 90's until Tony Donnelly's death about 15 years and a few bob later.

[Dodge]

It's great for Bray but why haven't McGettigans a local Donegal businessman invested or bought Finn Harps as they have a new stadium on the way and huge possible support if properly invested

They haven't invested in Bray, and they do sponsor Harps