Kevin Long D Toronto FC b.1990

[rebelmusic]

Couldnt find a thread for him. 24 year old Cork lad on the bench today for Burnley. Ward and Reid on the bench as well

[TheOneWhoKnocks]

Makes his Premier League debut this afternoon, at St James' Park, replacing the injured Jason Shackell.

[TheOneWhoKnocks]

Off on a stretcher.

[Stuttgart88]

Knee injury acc to bbc

[Charlie Darwin]

That's just dreadful luck. Hopefully it's nothing too bad and he'll be back in contention soon.

[TheOneWhoKnocks]

Long following in McCann, Meyler, Gibson, O'Brien, Brady & Lenihan's footsteps by having their progress at this level curtailed by injury practically as soon as it begins. Last season Meyler, ironically, was the only Irish Hull player unaffected by injury; Brady, Quinn & McShane each missed approximately ¾ of last season. Long's teammate, Ward, lasted about 8 games before picking up a serious injury, having remained injury free last season in the Championship. His other teammate, Reid, never fulfilled his undoubted potential due to career threatening injury problems. Enda Stevens chances at Aston Villa were dead & buried after he lost his place in the team due to injury, never winning it back. Anthony Pilkington averaged 1 in 3 PL games in his first Premiership season before chronic injury problems began to plague him. Dunne's career at Aston Villa was ended by spending an entire season out due to injury setbacks. Doyle's career at this level has leveled out due to fitness problems. Back to Everton and James McCarthy is currently being plagued by a hamstring injury having previously spent time on the sidelines with a Fabrice Muamba incurred ankle injury, at Wigan. Shane Duffy's progress at Everton was curtailed just when it was getting going after a life threatening injury. Even Seamus Coleman, touch wood, enjoyed his first full season unaffected by injury during 13/14. Paddy McCarthy, of course, missed two seasons due to injury & teammate Owen Garvan has been rocked by repeated fitness (and disciplinary) issues. Last but not least, Shane Long, was on fire before being deliberately hacked by Rangers alum Alan Hutton; taking months to get back to the level he was at pre-injury.

*Deep breath*

Forgotten anyone?

[Stuttgart88]

No, it was a long source of frustration long before you joined the forum. There must be nearly 20 promising Irish players whose careers suffered from injury in the last decade or so. I think there was a thread on it. Tets?

Has any news been released about the extent of the injury? Obviously it doesn't look good but there's still hope it's something like Aguerro's knee injury which was only a matter of weeks.

[TheOneWhoKnocks]

Could be a hyperextended knee, in which case he would spend between 3 and 4 weeks recuperating, but even then Burnley will have bought a back up CB in the transfer window and Long's (probably only) chance at making it at this level is gone.

[Charlie Darwin]

No news that I can see, but I doubt they'd have anything this early anything as they'd need to wait for swelling to reduce, etc. It did look nasty though and he was in a lot of pain. It's probably ligament damage, but hopefully not cruciates.

[TheOneWhoKnocks]

I forgot Billy Clarke! Missed the entire season for Blackpool after suffering a knee injury against Tiverton in a pre-season friendly.

[tetsujin1979]

No, it was a long source of frustration long before you joined the forum. There must be nearly 20 promising Irish players whose careers suffered from injury in the last decade or so. I think there was a thread on it. Tets?

Has any news been released about the extent of the injury? Obviously it doesn't look good but there's still hope it's something like Aguerro's knee injury which was only a matter of weeks.

Was there a full thread on it, or was it just part of a discussion on a certain player's injury? Possibly James McCarthy, or Conor Henderson?


I forgot Billy Clarke! Missed the entire season for Blackpool after suffering a knee injury against Tiverton in a pre-season friendly.
Conor Henderson too, pre season injury that knocked him out for a full season, also Stephen O'Halloran who was out for the better part of two years after separate cruciate knee injuries

[Charlie Darwin]

I'd say it was brought up a few times in the Terry Dixon thread, a classic.

[Irish_Praha]

I forgot Billy Clarke! Missed the entire season for Blackpool after suffering a knee injury against Tiverton in a pre-season friendly.

Greg Cunningham is another one.
Just checked and he is sitting at the top of L1 with Bristol City.
No idea how he is doing and what position but still only 23 and was playing LB before so maybe he still has an international future if they get promoted to the Championship and he performs well there.

[TheOneWhoKnocks]

Eoin Wearen was let go by West Ham while recovering from ruptured ligaments. Stephen Henderson failed to make an impact at West Ham, where there was an opening for a new goalie, because of recurring injury problems; he's currently recovering from injury, having began the season well with Charlton.

[TheOneWhoKnocks]

http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/soccer/injured-long-gets-contract-extension-305036.html

Contract extension signed just before injury.

[DannyInvincible]

Back to Everton and James McCarthy is currently being plagued by a hamstring injury

Oh, so you do think it's a single and isolated recurring problem after all?

In McCarthy's thread, you've been continually peddling the idea that the various instances of the tissue problem re-arising (with the exact same hamstring in close time proximity to the last instance) have been completely separate injuries in order to support your dubious claim that he was fit to play against Scotland.

Are you spoofing here or there then?

[TheOneWhoKnocks]

Danny, your behavior is incredibly childish on one thread without carrying it over to another.

I have already explained why I think the FAI doctors, Martin & Roy's opinions are more valid than yours (or mine). I'm not going to do it another 4 or 5 times. I disagree with you. I'm not going to start agreeing with you. Especially when you are continuing to be condescending and insulting. Let it go.

If you want to continue arguing, do it in private messages - like we were told to do. Unless you want an audience.

[TheOneWhoKnocks]

Rob Elliot got injured as soon as he got a run in the team. Rory Donnelly got injured right before the season began, though he is a Northern Ireland player as it stands.

John Egan's chances of making it at Sunderland were blown by a serious injury he picked up on loan at Bradford. He had as good a chance as any youngster of making it to the first team too. He was very highly though of.

It's amazing how bad our luck is with injuries.

[DannyInvincible]

It's amazing how bad our luck is with injuries.

Is it really "bad Irish luck" or do we suffer from a similar number of injuries as any other country would proportionately-speaking; it's just they seem to hit us harder because we have less players in reserve and are placing our hopes on a smaller pool of players?


Danny, your behavior is incredibly childish on one thread without carrying it over to another.

I have already explained why I think the FAI doctors, Martin & Roy's opinions are more valid than yours (or mine). I'm not going to do it another 4 or 5 times. I disagree with you. I'm not going to start agreeing with you. Especially when you are continuing to be condescending and insulting. Let it go.

If you want to continue arguing, do it in private messages - like we were told to do. Unless you want an audience.

So, you dodge the questions again, but I'm the one being childish?...

I couldn't care less if you agree with me. I'd appreciate if you just answered the questions (not merely my own). If you want to get into a discussion, be prepared to have your position challenged.

[TheOneWhoKnocks]

I'm not dodging questions at all. I just think it would be better to agree to disagree, or discuss it further in private messages, rather than derail another thread. I don't think anyone is particularly interested in this subject anymore apart from you.

Maybe I am put off answering your questions because of your demeanor? It's pretty challenging like. You have accused me spoofing, wumming, trolling and called me "a vile little man" (although you deleted that after I challenged you on it), ostensibly because I have a differing viewpoint to yours.

If you could engage a little courtesy then maybe I would be prepared to further discuss the minutiae of whether James McCarthy was fit enough to play against Scotland or not - which O'Neill, Keane & FAI medics believed he was.

[DannyInvincible]

I've replied here (http://foot.ie/threads/68192-James-McCarthy?p=1799168&viewfull=1#post1799168) in the McCarthy thread.

[Charlie Darwin]

Worst news. Cruciates damaged, no timeline for his return.

[Stuttgart88]

SSN saying out for the season.

[tetsujin1979]

Cruciate ligament injuries tend to take about nine months to recover from. Personally I'll be surprised if he plays first team football again before October.

[tetsujin1979]

Making a few appearances for Burnley's U21 side, but no firm date on an appearance for the senior side
VS Rochdale on 28th October: http://www.burnleyfootballclub.com/news/article/u21s-report-burnley-2-5-rochdale-2770679.aspx
VS Bradford on 20th October: http://www.burnleyfootballclub.com/news/article/bradford-dev-squad-1-burnley-dev-squad-4-2754578.aspx

[Paddy Garcia]

Made an appearance tonight

[Charlie Darwin]

Made an appearance tonight
That was Chris Long I think.

[tetsujin1979]

On the bench for Burnley today

[tetsujin1979]

signed for Barnsley on loan until December 19th: http://www.barnsleyfc.co.uk/news/article/reds-land-long-on-loan-2807421.aspx

[tetsujin1979]

out on loan again, to MK Dons until the end of the season: http://www.mkdons.com/news/article/defender-long-joins-dons-on-loan-kevin-long-burnley-kevin-long-mk-dons-3024255.aspx
In another life, he's a mainstay in the squad for France after a minor knock on his Premier League debut for Burnley

[tetsujin1979]

He didn't play anywhere last night

[Charlie Darwin]

Outstanding post.

[TheOneWhoKnocks]

Linked with Coventry.

http://www.coventrytelegraph.net/sport/football/football-news/who-kevin-long-five-things-11645189

[Olé Olé]

Being linked with a move to Bristol City for 500k if they don't manage to sign their main target: http://www.bristolpost.co.uk/8203-bristol-city-switch-search-for-central-defender-to-burnley-s-kevin-long/story-29620360-detail/story.html

EDIT: This Mawkins chap appears to be hot property and is on the radar of moneybags Wolves so Bristol City will be doing well to win that race.

[Closed Account]

On the bench for Burnley today.

[TrapAPony]

Starts today v WBA

[tetsujin1979]

Fourth ex-Cork City player to appear in the Premier League this season, Must be some sort of record?

[SkStu]

He's playing very well. Keeping it simple, nice passing and good pace. If Keane heads to Everton at the end of the season it'd be great to see along be the one to step in. Certainly some potential there, great for us.

Ward has been great again today (2 weeks in a row I've watched the Burnley game).

Edit: Long could have done a little better just now for the equalizer but was the right backs fault. Assist for McClean.

[SkStu]

Goal here: https://my.mixtape.moe/iodlpx.mp4

[DeLorean]

Awful from Lowton but that's a brilliant touch by McClean to get past him.

[samhaydenjr]

Fourth ex-Cork City player to appear in the Premier League this season, Must be some sort of record?

Matches 2014/15 when Shane Long, Damien Delaney, Kevin Doyle and David Meyler all appeared in the Premier League

[DannyInvincible]

Starts for Burnley again today away to Bournemouth. Stephen Ward and Jeff Hendrick also start. Robbie Brady on the bench.

Arter is in midfield for Bournemouth.

[DannyInvincible]

'Kevin Long poised to miss his brother's wedding after getting first Ireland call-up': http://www.the42.ie/kevin-long-ireland-call-up-wedding-3392560-May2017/


Long was delighted to get the nod, just over a week after making his first start for Burnley, but the timing of the matches will mean he won’t be able to fulfil his groomsman duties for his brother Daniel if he makes O’Neill’s final travelling party.

“I think I will miss it. He won’t be too happy, but if I play a game he’ll be all right,” Long told Burnley’s website. “I was also supposed to be going to Marbella with the family, but I’m sure they won’t mind if I get a cap. I spoke to my parents and all my brothers and everyone is buzzing.”

[gastric]

'Kevin Long poised to miss his brother's wedding after getting first Ireland call-up': http://www.the42.ie/kevin-long-ireland-call-up-wedding-3392560-May2017/

So much better than supposedly attending your grandmother's funeral!

[TheOneWhoKnocks]

Long's call up is a bit silly - it doesn't need to be explained why.

If I was Sheridan, or Manning, I would be getting a bit irritated by this.

[tetsujin1979]

Why would a striker or midfielder be irritated by a defender getting called up?

[TheOneWhoKnocks]

Why would a striker or midfielder be irritated by a defender getting called up?

The random nature of it in my opinion. Andy Boyle and John Egan just made their debuts in March and we have several other players in those positions. Manning can cover three different positions. Not to mention the fact that he has impressed over a longer period of time.

We have a severe shortage of strikers. Long is injured and God forbid Murphy, McGoldrick and Walters will be forced to drop out; they have all had injury problems this year alone.

There has been a call for Sheridan and Maguire to get a call up for 6 months now. MON must surely know there will be a backlash if someone like Kevin Long gets called up on the back of one performance.

[gastric]

Why would there be a backlash and by whom? Again, why would Maguire and Sheridan be irritated by a defender being called up as Tets asked?

[TheOneWhoKnocks]

Why would there be a backlash and by whom? Again, why would Maguire and Sheridan be irritated by a defender being called up as Tets asked?

I think it's quite obvious why there would be a backlash. There is - by International standards - a lengthy gathering. There are several matches. Even if Maguire or Sheridan weren't in the reckoning to feature against Austria, they could conceivably get match time in America. Even if they weren't to feature in any of the games, MON could invite them to train with the squad.

We are not blessed with strikers. And the ones we do have (Walters, Murphy and Doyle) could all be retired by the next campaign and (McGoldrick and Rooney) aren't favored by MON, and are aging regardless.

Long is injured. What happens if Walters or Murphy get struck down? Is he going to stick to his guns again like he did when we were playing Iceland and had Doyle and Long as the only strikers in the squad?

As for the whom, there are plenty of articles and plenty of journalists questioning their exclusions online. Several pundits and managers in the domestic game have questioned it; Mick Cooke the latest.

It's been a talking point for over 6 months now.

Why would they be irritated? Maybe because there is a dearth of strikers available to us and their continued exclusions show a distinct lack of confidence in their ability. I've mentioned it before but we have Keogh, Clark, Duffy, O'Shea, Pearce, Boyle, Egan and McShane off the top of my head before bringing Long into consideration.

And I appreciate the fact that Long is going to miss his brother's wedding, it shows dedication to the cause that others lack, but it's not him I'm having a go at.

When the Austria game concludes we have four games left and will be approaching the end of the campaign. If Maguire and Sheridan don't get call ups now, they could conceivably be waiting a minimum of 6 months to get another opportunity, and the odds will be against them breaking into the squad in the event we do qualify for Russia.

The lack of forward planning is quite annoying. If Murphy, Doyle and Walters retire (touch wood) we are essentially left with Long and two strikers (McGoldrick and Rooney) who have about 5 caps between them.

[DannyInvincible]

Kevin Long's post-Uruguay match interview with Tony O'Donoghue: http://www.rte.ie/player/ie/show/10734755