Limerick Division 1A 2014/15

[Two Feet Up]

promotion/ relegation in limerick two teams relegated and two promoted each season .... hibs relegated they go down if pike pull out team after league is finished it is a new season and league should bring up 3rd place team in league below to fill the extra spot which they have in the past , don't really think it is fair to give a relegated team another chance to get back up plus as second says both teams could have different squads from last year.

it does not matter to me but your argument goes the same for the team who finished third. Why should they go up. If Pike had quit on the last game of the season then hibs would have stayed up.....

[Football-Unites]

Old git - still interested to know your logic on this ?

A team that is relegated, should stay relegated no matter what, but a team that doesn't win promotion should be promoted in this case ?

Surely a clear logic would be as follows -
2 team gets relegated, but a team in that same division pulls out for following year, 2nd from bottom that was relegated should be re-instated.
2 teams get promoted, but one of the promoted teams pulls out for following year, 3rd from top should automatically be promoted in their place.

I don't see how a team pulling out of a division, should automatically mean that a team from division lower should be promoted. I know you've said it twice, but I don't see any clear reason or logic for it ? Other than the 'if you're relegated, you're relegated' argument. Think there needs more substance than that for such a decision.

I do agree that a play-off would not work at this stage. Maybe approach both teams and if both want to be in 1a, then decision is a coin toss. I don't see why one should get preference over the other team in the current stuation.

[Jofspring]

Happens pretty much every year. The last 5 or 6 years running nearly every division below 1B has had 3 or 4 teams promoted due to clubs pulling out for the following season. The same is happening again this year.

Knockainey came 3rd in 1B last season, got promoted and went on to get promoted this year to premier. The team coming 3rd is 9 times out of 10 going to be stronger than the second from bottom in the division above. A lot of times the team that came 3rd in the division below may have even finished level on points with the team that finished second but only lost out in a play off. Getting promoted is sort of a reward for a good season the season before. Where as if you are poor all season and get relegated then you shouldn't be saved by someone else pulling out. You should have to earn the right to be promoted again.

[Football-Unites]

Don't fully agree there Jofspring - the argument is the same on both sides - if you didn't do enough to get promoted, then you don't deservce to be promoted, same argument as if you're relegated etc Some teams get relegated by play-off, or by goal difference, should they get preference in that situation ?

''The team coming 3rd is 9 times out of 10 going to be stronger than the second from bottom in the division above.''

You have to be pulling this statistic from thin air, because there is no way you can back this up. I'm sure it's just your opinion, but even at that, it's a bit of a loose statement. If anything, teams on the up attract new and sometimes better players, teams on the way down normally lose their best players, struggle for numbers etc etc, but there's no way you can quantifiy this by saying a team that came 3rd in the division below is going to be stronger than a team finishing 2nd bottom in the division above.

[Two Feet Up]

Don't fully agree there Jofspring - the argument is the same on both sides - if you didn't do enough to get promoted, then you don't deservce to be promoted, same argument as if you're relegated etc Some teams get relegated by play-off, or by goal difference, should they get preference in that situation ?

''The team coming 3rd is 9 times out of 10 going to be stronger than the second from bottom in the division above.''

You have to be pulling this statistic from thin air, because there is no way you can back this up. I'm sure it's just your opinion, but even at that, it's a bit of a loose statement. If anything, teams on the up attract new and sometimes better players, teams on the way down normally lose their best players, struggle for numbers etc etc, but there's no way you can quantifiy this by saying a team that came 3rd in the division below is going to be stronger than a team finishing 2nd bottom in the division above.

sure the playoff would prove the point ..oh wait

[Jofspring]

Don't fully agree there Jofspring - the argument is the same on both sides - if you didn't do enough to get promoted, then you don't deservce to be promoted, same argument as if you're relegated etc Some teams get relegated by play-off, or by goal difference, should they get preference in that situation ?

''The team coming 3rd is 9 times out of 10 going to be stronger than the second from bottom in the division above.''

You have to be pulling this statistic from thin air, because there is no way you can back this up. I'm sure it's just your opinion, but even at that, it's a bit of a loose statement. If anything, teams on the up attract new and sometimes better players, teams on the way down normally lose their best players, struggle for numbers etc etc, but there's no way you can quantifiy this by saying a team that came 3rd in the division below is going to be stronger than a team finishing 2nd bottom in the division above.

Have found from my own experience that year after year that when 3 or 4 teams get promoted from the division below they have still been the stronger teams the following season in the next division up. I have been with Coonagh the last 4 years and we have come from division 3B up to 2A in that space of time and before that with Caherdavin B and gained promotion both seasons there also getting promoted every year barr this season. Sometimes as second, sometimes as 3rd. Some teams have come up with us that finished 4th and even 5th and have been strong again the following year in the higher division than the teams already in the division above that finished near the bottom. Its obviously not an 100% science as there are many factors to take into account but I'm going by the experiences I've found over the last 6 years in junior soccer in Limerick.

There are a lot of teams that get relegated that barely field a team, some give walkovers, some pull out half way through the season. I don't think they should benefit by staying up if another team pulls out before the start of the following season when a team below might have gone to the wire for promotion, fulfilling all their fixtures and being competitive.

[Jofspring]

Pike B are in division 1A anyway.

[Fairkop]

Pike B are in division 1A anyway.

would ,n be too sure of that yet jof.

[Jofspring]

would ,n be too sure of that yet jof.

Had just presumed when the fixtures came out that it was decided. Could have a knock on effect all the way down if they pull out now I would think.

[old git]

Pike B are in division 1A anyway.

don't see pike b in any 1a fixtures so far ??

Thursday Aug 21st
Div 1A

Wembley Rvs v Caherconlish

Mungret Reg v Kilmallock

Newport v Cappamore

Granville Rgs v Shannon Town

Hospital v Caherdavin Cel

Sunday Aug 24th
Div 1A

Kilmallock v Charleville, 10.30,

Cappamore v Wembley Rvs, 10.30,

Shannon Town v Mungret Reg, 10.30,

Caherdavin Cel v Newport, 10.30,

Hospital v Granville Rgs, 10.30,

Thursday Aug 28th
Div 1A

Caherconlish v Cappamore

Charleville v Shannon Town

Wembley Rvs v Caherdavin Cel

Mungret Reg v Hospital

Newport v Granville Rgs

[Second]

Pike b have pulled out

[Shuffleruns]

Predictions for this weeks first round games



Div 1A
Wembley Rvs 3 v 0 Caherconlish
Mungret Reg 2 v 2 Kilmallock
Newport 2 v 1 Cappamore
Granville Rgs 2 v 2 Shannon Town
Hospital 1 v 3 Caherdavin Cel

best of luck to all teams for the season!

[Jofspring]

Have heard Cappamore B are going to be playing for their A team this season and most of Cappamore A from last year are with Pallas now. Cappamore B been pulled.

[Hibs7772]

Predictions for this weeks first round games



Div 1A
Wembley Rvs 3 v 0 Caherconlish
Mungret Reg 2 v 2 Kilmallock
Newport 2 v 1 Cappamore
Granville Rgs 2 v 2 Shannon Town
Hospital 1 v 3 Caherdavin Cel

best of luck to all teams for the season!
Predictions... I'll go with..

Div 1A
Wembley Rvs 3 v 2 Caherconlish
Mungret Reg 0 v 2 Kilmallock
Newport 5 v 1 Cappamore
Granville Rgs 3 v 1 Shannon Town
Hospital 2 v 2 Caherdavin Cel

[Fairkop]

Pike b have pulled out

they have,..one of the big clubs in the country...no b team ,no youth team.

[deadly man]

Predictions for this weeks first round games




Div 1A
Wembley Rvs 3 v 0 Caherconlish
Mungret Reg 2 v 2 Kilmallock
Newport 2 v 1 Cappamore
Granville Rgs 2 v 2 Shannon Town
Hospital 1 v 3 Caherdavin Cel

best of luck to all teams for the season!

Wembley 2-0 caherconlish
Mungret 1-4 Kilmallock
Newport 2-2 cappamore
Granville 2-1 Shannon town
Hospital 3-2 caherdavin

[Jofspring]

they have,..one of the big clubs in the country...no b team ,no youth team.

Boro B also pulled out along with Dromore A in division 1B. Thats two teams gone already before 1B even starts.

[Fairkop]

Boro B also pulled out along with Dromore A in division 1B. Thats two teams gone already before 1B even starts.
and there was Cappamores A team disbanding with there B team moving up to replace them.so no Cappamore B team either,is there more to follow i wonder.seems our our league planners have messed up too and did not do their homework.

[Treaty Gooner]

Why is it the league's fault? Clubs had 3 months to find players and register their teams.

[2legged tackle]

Granville 0-3 Shannon Town
Gerry Kelly, Maxi & Glynno with goals.

[AC Melon]

Granville 0-3 Shannon Town
Gerry Kelly, Maxi & Glynno with goals.
Great result for ye! Always good to start with a win, is maxi the Brazilian lad??

[lankyboy26]

Great result for ye! Always good to start with a win, is maxi the Brazilian lad??

very deceptive scoreline! Granville dominated possession for long periods and had a clear penalty not given when it was 1-0. Granville then gifted Town 2 goals in 3 minutes near the end. both teams need to improve a lot if they wanna challenge for promotion!

[Jofspring]

Why is it the league's fault? Clubs had 3 months to find players and register their teams.

I wouldn't blame the LDMC for it but at the same time it is more like a month and a half to get a team together. June is a write off, July teams come back and the season starts mid August. A lot of lads in limerick will train for weeks here and there, put off signing forms and wait till the last minute to either sign or jump ship. I'd say these teams won't be the last to pull out either. A few clubs just barely getting 11 on a Sunday. Sometimes that can be down to bad management of a team also though.

[Fairkop]

Why is it the league's fault? Clubs had 3 months to find players and register their teams.ya correct TG, they had plenty time ,but why would you put dromore b up five divisions to replace their A team who collasped,why include boro and pike b teams in fixtures when the whole town knew they would not field.why allow teams who had previously pulled out of the leagues easy access back in despite the chaos they caused,why allow teams who had previously been removed from the leagues a place back in them...just seems to me they do not look into things enough.

[Treaty Gooner]

Dromore: Because that's the rule
Boro/Pike B: Because the clubs didn't withdraw the teams until the last wk or so
Teams who pulled out: What are they supposed to do, stop lads playing football? That would've gone down well wouldn't it?
Teams who had been removed: See above.

Anyone without their house in order by mid-August, it's their own fault and nobody elses.

[Fairkop]

Dromore: Because that's the rule
Boro/Pike B: Because the clubs didn't withdraw the teams until the last wk or so
Teams who pulled out: What are they supposed to do, stop lads playing football? That would've gone down well wouldn't it?
Teams who had been removed: See above.

Anyone without their house in order by mid-August, it's their own fault and nobody elses.i take it then you were outraged when Wembley were afforded a 2week grace period last season when quite clearly their house was not in order.

[Shuffleruns]

Owned lol

[Treaty Gooner]

I think most people were, have a look back at last season's thread, the posts were about how a dangerous precedent had been set.

[Hibs7772]

Charleville 2-4 Shannon town. Good start to the season so far for town. Would be good to see them make a good push for promotion. They have the team/squad for it.

[lankyboy26]

Charleville 2-4 Shannon town. Good start to the season so far for town. Would be good to see them make a good push for promotion. They have the team/squad for it.

Can't see them being promoted. Wembley, Mungret and Kilmallock have better squads and it'll be 2 from those 3 to go up (in my opinion)

[balanced view]

Results from last night:

Caherconlish 4-1 Cappamore
Charleville 2-4 Shannon Town
Wembley Rvs 3-0 Caherdavin Cel
Mungret Reg 6-0 Hospital
Newport 5-0 Granville Rgs

[Second]

Can't see them being promoted. Wembley, Mungret and Kilmallock have better squads and it'll be 2 from those 3 to go up (in my opinion)

Very early to make a prediction like that..mungret have beaten Kilmallock already and a 10 man shannon town team drew 1-1 with mungret and apparently mungret equalised late on. Remember Kilmallock were everyone's favourites last year as well. .its going to be tighter this year ( in my opinion)

[Shuffleruns]

Big game this weekend between Shannon town v Kilmallock

[old git]

Big game this weekend between Shannon town v Kilmallock

Shuffleruns getting carried away with your self 4th game in the league and dont thnk the outcome will effect either teams chances of promotion or winning league ?? Bit early for Big game talk :ball:

[Hibs7772]

Can't see them being promoted. Wembley, Mungret and Kilmallock have better squads and it'll be 2 from those 3 to go up (in my opinion)
Kilmallock had the best squad last year and played the best football by a mile and they didn't go up so you could argue how come they didn't go up last time around?

[lankyboy26]

Kilmallock had the best squad last year and played the best football by a mile and they didn't go up so you could argue how come they didn't go up last time around?

Kilmallock had the best squad? Not consistently they didn't. They have hurlers playing for them who aren't always available. I've seen Wembley, Mungret and Shannon Town. Wembley are on a different level to the other teams in this division and WILL get promoted. I wasn't impressed with Shannon Town at all. Mungret have a fine side

[old git]

Big game this weekend between Shannon town v Kilmallock

Shannon town 2 - killmallock 4 must make killmallock favourites for the league now :D

[Beam me up]

good result for kilmallock, did they have their full squad today ? good football side, did well to beat ST on that tight pitch.
Think ST will still have a good chance of promotion. Have Wembley improved their squad from last year ? or is the gulf got even bigger between 1A and Prem seeing as Wembley only got one point last year.

[Balbec77]

Kilmallock 4 Shannon 2 good result for us this morning we were missing a few players game of 2 half s Shannon showed great heart in the second half best of luck for the of the season

[Hibs7772]

Who scored the two for town does anyone know?

[KilmallockYouth]

Kilmallock 4 Hospital 2...Another win minus a few Tursday..Hospital struggled for number's also and gave us a good game..!! Onto Newport now tonight..Any other results??

[fifty50]

good result for kilmallock, did they have their full squad today ? good football side, did well to beat ST on that tight pitch.
Think ST will still have a good chance of promotion. Have Wembley improved their squad from last year ? or is the gulf got even bigger between 1A and Prem seeing as Wembley only got one point last year.

They signed Richie Mullins, Eoin O Sullivan, Derek Hannon and Kevin Barry.
All proven premier players

[Balbec77]

Newport 1 Kilmallock 3 good result for us still have a few players injured

[Fairkop]

strange start to the league,kilmallock would be logical favourites,they have a quality squad one would think that if they avoid last seasons meltdown they should achieve promotion,it could be anybody after that,mungret,caherconlish,wembley,shannon,the start granville have had is surprising especially as they are now managed by a former FAI cup winning manager.it certainly makes for an interesting league.

[maestro]

strange start to the league,kilmallock would be logical favourites,they have a quality squad one would think that if they avoid last seasons meltdown they should achieve promotion,it could be anybody after that,mungret,caherconlish,wembley,shannon,the start granville have had is surprising especially as they are now managed by a former FAI cup winning manager.it certainly makes for an interesting league.

Mungret 1-0 Caherconlish

[old git]

Mungret 1-0 Caherconlish


hospital 2 - 4 Shannon town A

[Fairkop]

Mungret 1-0 Caherconlish

saw the first half,good result for mungret,though caherconlish squad looked a wee bit thin.did they even have a sub?

[lankyboy26]

strange start to the league,kilmallock would be logical favourites,they have a quality squad one would think that if they avoid last seasons meltdown they should achieve promotion,it could be anybody after that,mungret,caherconlish,wembley,shannon,the start granville have had is surprising especially as they are now managed by a former FAI cup winning manager.it certainly makes for an interesting league.

It could be anybody after Kilmallock? Even Caherconlish who narrowly avoided relegation last season??? I don't think so man. I agree with you about Kilmallock obviously but Wembley have a very strong squad and should be challenging Kilmallock for the league.

Cappamore 0 Granville 4 (played this morning)

Granville should push on now after a terrible start

[AlanOB]

Who's in charge at Granville this season lads?

[balanced view]

I heard that wembley got walkover from charleville. 2nd hand info so not 100% certain.

Last I heard was Declan Considine was manager of Granville