Irish involvement in the Football League playoffs

[Paddy Garcia]

any streams?

http://www.firstrows.eu/soccer

[TheOneWhoKnocks]

Good play by Doyle on the wing just before he's taken off as Keogh is bamboozled and Austin is given all the space in the world to get a shot off.

[TheOneWhoKnocks]

....and that is why Richard Keogh should not be anywhere near our starting line up.

[Stuttgart88]

Shocker by Keogh to hand the tie to QPR after being on the ropes. In fairness, his colleagues also made a hash of things a moment earlier.

[the doc]

Shocker by Keogh to hand the tie to QPR after being on the ropes. In fairness, his colleagues also made a hash of things a moment earlier.

That's why Richie and Sean should be starting in the big games.

Would you want Clark, Keogh or Pearce in the team for a qualifier?



Richie has been great today.

[DeLorean]

....and that is why Richard Keogh should not be anywhere near our starting line up.

I hate to lower the tone of a great website, but you are nothing but a spiteful moron.

[Stuttgart88]

No, but I never once said I did.

(edit - in reply to Doc)

Dunne is still class.

[back of the net]

No, but I never once said I did.

(edit - in reply to Doc)

Dunne is still class.


outstanding by dunne....colossus

Poor keogh......such contrasting fortunes

Doyle was ok....some good linkup play I thought. Whats his situation with wolves now anyone know ?


Great to see dunney back in the prem but is it fair to say derby being promoted wud have benefited ireland more?

[Stuttgart88]

Yes, I'd gave preferred a Derby win. Would gave been good for Hendrick and Keogh. Doyle and Dunne could slot into an Ireland team again no matter what level they are playing at.

[ArdeeBhoy]

Aye, but can't see either getting many games in the EPL. Derby victory, better for Ireland like Stutts just said.
That said, do know a few Irish QPR boys...

Dunne tribute here.
http://balls.ie/football/qpr-playoff-goal/

[TheOneWhoKnocks]

I hate to lower the tone of a great website, but you are nothing but a spiteful moron.

Nobody deserves to be called a moron. I certainly don't think I would get away with calling you one if the roles were reversed.

I gave my opinion on Keogh. He made a mistake and I commented on it.

If Paul McShane made a similar mistake in a Playoff final for Hull, he would get foaming abuse but when he did play in a Playoff final, he scored a crucial goal. Darren O'Dea and Conor Sammon are other players who have received unwarranted - and at times - vitriolic abuse for little or no reason.

McShane and O'Dea aren't in the Ireland reckoning at the moment. Sammon and Keogh are; so their performances are under a microscope and are going to be appraised.

Keogh had a howler for the QPR goal and QPR's other best chance was also due to recklessness from him. Immediately, at the other end, Dunne was dummied. C'est la vie. I am not going to be put one under a microscope and ignore another.

Dunne was a colossus at the back for QPR and won every challenge. Hopefully we can squeeze another campaign out of him but I have my doubts. Hendrick was quiet. Doyle was quiet but was involved in setting up a goalscoring opportunity before he went off.

@BOTNET

As of a month ago, Harry said he'd like to give Doyle a permanent deal so unless he has changed his mind in the interim and/or Wolves act up, Doyle will go up with QPR next season.

[Stuttgart88]

Quite a few Irish flags in the QPR end alright. I think I saw one at the a Derby end.

I feel sorry for Keogh. He played quite well but that error will haunt him. He's a heart on sleeves type of guy and seems quite likeable.

[DeLorean]

Moscowesque should be formally introduced to Irish vocabulary.

[DeLorean]

Nobody deserves to be called a moron. I certainly don't think I would get away with calling you one if the roles were reversed.

I gave my opinion on Keogh. He made a mistake and I commented on it.

Firstly, I apologise for calling you a moron. I got a bit wrapped up in the moment. I just knew when I logged in I'd see some sort of self satisfying comment from you. I knew you'd take some joy in a moment that most self respecting Irish football supporters would feel nothing but sympathy. I agree with your view on McShane, but I don't see how you're any different in your tone regarding Keogh.

[TheOneWhoKnocks]

Firstly, I apologise for calling you a moron. I got a bit wrapped up in the moment. I just knew when I logged in I'd see some sort of self satisfying comment from you. I knew you'd take some joy in a moment that most self respecting Irish football supporters would feel nothing but sympathy. I agree with your view on McShane, but I don't see how you're any different in your tone regarding Keogh.

I accept your apology and I accept that I may have came across as smug so I am sorry for that. If my team lost a Playoff final I would probably be sensitive too. And your last sentence is fair enough.

[DeLorean]

I'm more a well wisher than a fan but you know the way it is when you get into a game.

[Charlie Darwin]

....and that is why Richard Keogh should not be anywhere near our starting line up.
Ridiculous comment. One error in an outstanding season.

[paul_oshea]

CD he has made loads of those type errors in his career.

Its why he is playing in the championship and still is today.

[Charlie Darwin]

CD he has made loads of those type errors in his career.

Its why he is playing in the championship and still is today.
See if you can name three of them.

[TheOneWhoKnocks]

See if you can name three of them.

One error in an outstanding season is hyperbolic. He made several in the Watford game alone, four weeks ago; to the point that his own manager felt compelled to complain about it.

[Charlie Darwin]

One error in an outstanding season is hyperbolic. He made several in the Watford game alone, four weeks ago; to the point that his own manager felt compelled to complain about it.
I wasn't trying to say he made one error all season, I was saying excoriating him for one mistake is ridiculous. Which it is. He's had a great season. He's made a few mistakes, which is understandable given the high-risk style of football Derby play. If Derby had been playing as limited a game as QPR today, he could easily have been Man of the Match instead of Dunne.

[TheOneWhoKnocks]

I wasn't trying to say he made one error all season, I was saying excoriating him for one mistake is ridiculous. Which it is. He's had a great season. He's made a few mistakes, which is understandable given the high-risk style of football Derby play. If Derby had been playing as limited a game as QPR today, he could easily have been Man of the Match instead of Dunne.

Don't think you're giving Dunne enough credit there. It's not easy being under siege for virtually an entire game - 30 minutes with 10 men. Deserved MOTM. Keogh's had a season. Fair play. International football is a step up from the Championship though and again I haven't seen anything to suggest he's good enough to dislodge the 5 or 6 players ahead of him (which isn't even including Dunne).

[DeLorean]

TOWK - Did McClaren say something specific about Keogh (re: the Watford match) ?

[Charlie Darwin]

Don't think you're giving Dunne enough credit there. It's not easy being under siege for virtually an entire game - 30 minutes with 10 men. Deserved MOTM. Keogh's had a season. Fair play. International football is a step up from the Championship though and again I haven't seen anything to suggest he's good enough to dislodge the 5 or 6 players ahead of him (which isn't even including Dunne).
What am I not giving him credit for? He did very well in a team who were defending in numbers against a more ambitious team. I'm saying if the roles had been reversed we could be having the opposite conversation, but I doubt Dunne would be criticised with the same voraciousness as Keogh has been. I'm not saying Keogh should be in the first team either, it'd have him probably fifth in line too. I just wouldn't put it past him to play his way up the queue because he has the talent.

[TheOneWhoKnocks]

TOWK - Did McClaren say something specific to Keogh?

After the Watford game, he criticised his positioning for the first goal and marking for the second goal. The rest of the defence didn't get off scot free either. He said defending would need to improve for the Playoffs....

The highlights of that game are on Jeff Hendrick's thread for posterity.

[the doc]

Keogh must be loaded as he's just given OPR millions on a plate!

Seriously, feel sorry for the lad, that's football I suppose.

[TheOneWhoKnocks]

What am I not giving him credit for? He did very well in a team who were defending in numbers against a more ambitious team. I'm saying if the roles had been reversed we could be having the opposite conversation, but I doubt Dunne would be criticised with the same voraciousness as Keogh has been. I'm not saying Keogh should be in the first team either, it'd have him probably fifth in line too. I just wouldn't put it past him to play his way up the queue because he has the talent.

That's fair enough but you could equally say that if QPR were more ambitious and put Derby under the back foot, how would Keogh and Buxton handle it? They weren't put under any pressure until the 90th minute and look what happened.

Dunne is 34 years old and is likely retired from International football. He doesn't have anything left to prove. He has won myriad POTS awards in the PL and singlehandedly got us a vital clean sheet in Moscow. Keogh on the other hand has it all to prove. Clark and Wilson too - at Intl. level - I had my doubts about Wilson after a patchy spell but he has recovered to have a great season at CB.

[Stuttgart88]

Funnily enough, I've been impressed by Keogh when Derby ARE under siege. I think he's a great backs to the wall defender (at that level) especially when the ball is in the sir.

He's no better than 4th choice CB for Ireland for me, in fact probably 5th or 6th, but a good, hard working, likeable, honest defender who was unlucky to have been punished in the extreme for one error in an otherwise good performance. His teammates' faffing about immediately beforehand was worse. Keogh's was the third in a sequence of errors. The blame isn't entirely his.

[Charlie Darwin]

That's fair enough but you could equally say that if QPR were more ambitious and put Derby under the back foot, how would Keogh and Buxton handle it? They weren't put under any pressure until the 90th minute and look what happened.

Dunne is 34 years old and is likely retired from International football. He doesn't have anything left to prove. He has won myriad POTS awards in the PL and singlehandedly got us a vital clean sheet in Moscow. Keogh on the other hand has it all to prove. Clark and Wilson too - at Intl. level - I had my doubts about Wilson after a patchy spell but he has recovered to have a great season at CB.
I've seen Derby this season when they have been up against it and he's handled it very well. He made a mistake today because he was caught flat-footed after his full back and made a poor error to let Hoillett (I think) in. I've seen Dunne make the same mistake dozens of times but, you're right, he has nothing to prove because a few mistakes don't define a player. I'm just saying the same logic should follow for any player, unless it's clearly a chronic flaw in his game he will never change and which he can't compensate for in other ways.

[Stuttgart88]

Doc, any clues on where you'll be playing next season?

[Charlie Darwin]

Doc, any clues on where you'll be playing next season?
Centre half hopefully.

[TheOneWhoKnocks]

I've seen Derby this season when they have been up against it and he's handled it very well. He made a mistake today because he was caught flat-footed after his full back and made a poor error to let Hoillett (I think) in. I've seen Dunne make the same mistake dozens of times but, you're right, he has nothing to prove because a few mistakes don't define a player. I'm just saying the same logic should follow for any player, unless it's clearly a chronic flaw in his game he will never change and which he can't compensate for in other ways.

Don't get me wrong. Far be it from calling Keogh a terrible player - and I may have said something similar to that effect when I first commented on him - but I have seen nothing that makes him stand out from the likes of McCarthy, St Ledger, O'Dea, Duffy or Pearce. His performance against Serbia showed that there may be work to do to get him acclimatised to a higher standard. Almost 28, another season in the Championship and players like Duffy, Gunning, Pearce and other fringe centre halves et al. having time on their side - I'm not sure Keogh has that. It's a big step up playing Germany, Poland and even Scotland in pressure cooker games similar to the one he played in today. Frankly, I would be bricking it if he did play.

[TheOneWhoKnocks]

Doc, any clues on where you'll be playing next season?

I bet anything it really is either Sean St Ledger or Crosby's second account.

[Charlie Darwin]

One thing that obviously stands out is his ability to pass the ball, which nobody you mentioned with the possible exception of Duffy has. Like I said, I'm not touting him for a spot but I think he has the ability to make it there.

[Crosby87]

Sammon swam over to console keogh but he was inconsolable. I mean walked over.

[Yard of Pace]

Just read the match report on the Guardian. Couple of comments below it from Derby fans (presumably) that caught my eye:


Chin up Keogh, you have been immense all season.



If anything we had too much possession but really feel for Keogh who doesn't deserve to be the fall guy.

[TheOneWhoKnocks]

"Once again Richard Keogh has caused another goal against, hes got away with it all season with his nervous style off play because of a superb team around him; now for all his good points its caught up with him big time."

"I do like Keogh but I would sign a new CB next season to play alongside Bucko. Keogh is sometimes prone to mistakes.

Feel sorry for him today though."

A couple of negative comments I seen too. At the end of the day, you can only judge what's put in front of you.

My sister works in the area so I know all about local pride, the passion and the way they support their club.

They won't get on Keogh's back.

[Charlie Darwin]

Leyton Orient v Rotherham about to start in League One. Mooney starts for Orient, Frecklington for Rotherham.

[Charlie Darwin]

Orient 2-0 up going into half time. Mooney was quiet for the first half hour or so as he was isolated out on the left, but since moving inside he's been involved a lot more and held the ball up well for the second goal.

[Charlie Darwin]

What a game! 2-2 now. Alex Ravell with a ridiculous volley from 40 yards.

[tricky_colour]

Orient leading 2-1 on pens (2 taken)

[tricky_colour]

3-2 after 3

[tricky_colour]

Rotherham won 4-3 on penos

[Charlie Darwin]

That is a bit of a ****er. Can't fathom why they took off Mooney halfway through extra time - he was still everywhere, winning headers and he's a great penalty taker.

[tricky_colour]

Though the penalties Leyton missed were poor. Short runs up, little power.

[Sheridan]

Wait, you guys have a five-page thread for fringe Ireland players in the lower-league play-offs? THAT. IS. ADORABLE.

[Charlie Darwin]

Hey everybody, Sheridan's here.

[SkStu]

Hey everybody, Sheridan's here.

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[Eminence Grise]

Sheridan! Your mummy wants you!

http://tellyspotting.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/Hyacinth-Bucket-talking-to-Sheridan-on-her-white-slimline-with-automatic-redial.jpg

[geysir]

Just read the match report on the Guardian. Couple of comments below it from Derby fans (presumably) that caught my eye

Chin up Keogh, you have been immense all season.
If anything we had too much possession but really feel for Keogh who doesn't deserve to be the fall guy.
Pretty much 95%-100% of Derby fans on their forums have been very appreciative and supportive of Keogh and want him to continue as captain.
I'd fancy their chances of getting promoted next season.