Irish Rams and Opposition Irish

[Charlie Darwin]

Keogh bailed out again.

[TheOneWhoKnocks]

30 goals conceded in 18 games is not promotion form but Chris Martin bails out Derby's defence again with his 21st goal of the season.

Derby's promotion effort falters again with 3 goals conceded against a relegation threatened team but their destiny is still in their own hands.

[DeLorean]

I'm actually heading over to Derby next wkd so will go to final game. A draw will do them for playoffs now and take it from there I suppose. I think Thorne might be back for it or at least the playoffs which would be a big boost.

[DeLorean]

Chris Martin scored a penalty to pull it back to 3-2... This is what bailed out Derby's defence... again? Funny, Martin has been injured for most of the period where Derby's defence actually needed bailing out. He scored the vast majority of those goals when their defence were on top of things.

[TheOneWhoKnocks]

To be fair, DeLorean..



You shrugged it off when I said a month and a half ago that I worried for Derby's promotion aspirations and contrasted their form with that of Watford, Bournemouth, Middlesbrough and Norwich. A month and a half later, Watford are promoted and the other three are in the automatic promotion mix and Derby need a win just to secure a Playoff place.
In the same post a month and a half ago I expressed concern about Derby's (lack of) defensive solidity to your annoyance and a month and a half later, they are still leaking goals like a sieve.
I don't know why you keep insinuating that the absence of Thorne & Eustace is affecting them. They have played a combined 17 times this season and Derby have done fine without them.
I said last year that they do not have a strong enough defence to match their attacking strengths and it cost them; just like last year, they have the worst defensive record of the top 6 teams.
I don't know why you are having a wee dig at me (and Chris Martin)! Today was just his second start since getting injured on the 2nd of February. Before that his form was exemplary! It is okay to insinuate that Keogh is part the reason why they kept 6 clean sheets once but it is unfair of me to point out that Martin's goal today bailed them out and that his goals were a significant reason for their early season form?!
You were belligerent towards me when I said they were faltering at the business end. They have conceded 30 in 18 games and have won 4 of their last 18 games. You don't think that is faltering?


I honestly don't know why you are so paranoid and sensitive. I haven't blamed Keogh for anything this afternoon. I simply said their defense is faltering (which it is) and that he conceded a penalty (which he did).

Now you can blame the man on the moon for Keogh's inadequacies and you can defend him to the hilt but his and Derby's form is far from perfect ATM.

[DeLorean]

Mascarell has also been injured and released back to Spain, their third holding midfielder, but generally more effective in home games when they're on the front foot. If you're going to plant stats, please include him. It's their lack of any holding midfielder that has been their problem. Mascarell used play the home games even when Eustace was available,so your stat is totally misleading. You surely can't disregard it as a major factor, on top of the loss of Bent and Martin at the same time. I'm not knocking Martin, far from it, he's a major player for them and they are, and have been, lost without him. I was just saying he was injured during their worst period defensive, which contradicted what you were saying... simple. Yeah, in fairness, you did call it. I have to say I never invisaged things getting as bad for Derby, but then I'm not psychic and didn't realise instead of their chronic injuries clearing up, they would get progressively worse, to the point where they had litteraly no stricker or defensive midfielder for a long spell, on top of losing some other important players at various stages, notably Buxton, Keogh's long term centre back partner. Had I known this, I wouldn't have been as sure, but they'll still probably make the playoffs, regardless, so I'm not totally wrong just yet.

[DeLorean]

By the way, nice touch with the bullet points... Makes you look like you mean business. Hendrick's goal was supposed to be a cracker.

[tetsujin1979]

By the way, nice touch with the bullet points... Makes you look like you mean business. Hendrick's goal was supposed to be a cracker.
Saw it on sky sports news earlier, yeah it's a cracking finish

[Charlie Darwin]

Some volley alright. He also gave away the second penalty for a foul on Dunne. Keogh's handball looked incredibly harsh.

[TheOneWhoKnocks]

Eh DeLorean it was you that brought up George Thorne as if his absence was the reason Derby's defence has been performing so dismally over the last several months and when you are told he has been out all season - even when their form was exemplary - it's Mascarell's absence now. :rolleyes:

And what does a striker - any striker - being out injured have to do with how poorly a defence is performing?

Yeah I'm not disregarding it as a minor contributing factor.

You come across like Norwich, Watford & Ipswich have Didier Deschamps or Claude Makelele type water carriers protecting their defence when they have had to economise just like Derby have.

Ironic that you bring Jake Buxton up. The last time Derby started without Keogh in their defence, they actually kept a clean sheet. Hmm..... :p

Listen DeLorean, I think you are being a little paranoid here.

I didn't have a go at Keogh for his performances or for the penalty but you still feel the compulsion to defend him anyways.

Derby have scored 7 goals against poor teams and they have picked up 2 points for their efforts. I have criticised their defence. I don't think there is anything slightly provocative in that.

You have implied that Cyrus Christie & the other defenders have been erratic and carry the burden for their deficiencies - which I disagree with - but Richard Keogh is supposed to be the captain.... you know?

[DeLorean]

Hi TOWK, my response was a bit rushed yesterday and I don't have to time to deal with all your points right now. I'll reply more comprehensively tomorrow, as I know it can be frustrating when somebody just ignores any points that you feel are valid.

[Charlie Darwin]

Keogh named in PFA Championship team of the season alongside Murphy and Westwood: http://www.derbytelegraph.co.uk/Derby-County-Rams-skipper-Richard-Keogh-named-PFA/story-26391846-detail/story.html

[DeLorean]

Firstly, apologies for all of the multi-quoting but there was a lot to reply to. I really don't like going down this road (i.e. the volume of my reply) and it's definitely a once off. In my defence, at least it's my own thread I'm butchering!



You shrugged it off when I said a month and a half ago that I worried for Derby's promotion aspirations and contrasted their form with that of Watford, Bournemouth, Middlesbrough and Norwich. A month and a half later, Watford are promoted and the other three are in the automatic promotion mix and Derby need a win just to secure a Playoff place.

I didn’t shrug it off at all. I said I still expected Derby to challenge for the automatics if they could get back to full strength. Instead of getting back to full strength, the injury situation actually got a lot worse. Of course this is only an excuse that won’t change anything, but it has been an important factor. These were my comments around the time you were talking about (see, no shrugging off!)


They're very average defensively without Thorne or Eustace. They're very average offensively without Martin and Bent. They've three very tough games after today and a fairly okay run in after that. They'll be there or thereabouts for the automatics I feel still if they can get back to full strength, sooner rather than later.


A truly horrendous run. You could maybe forgive the points dropped against Norwich, Boro and Wolves with their injury woes but one point from Fulham, Brighton and Birmingham was terrible. I would still say, slightly reluctantly, that a playoff spot shouldn't be a problem when they have everybody fit after the international break. Other results have continued to offer them a slight lifeline in terms of the automatics. They could reel Watford back in on Good Friday if they beat them at the iPro after Ipswich's excellent win at Vicarage Road today.

And seeing as you like to pat yourself on the back for your prediction that Derby would struggle to make the playoffs, it should be noted that you earlier predicted this (before changing your mind when their form dipped).


Derby's attacking prowess will definitely see them to the top 6 I reckon.

I’m not knocking you for this of course, just pointing out that none of us are psychic on here. Anyway, it looks like we might still be correct about them making the playoffs... clearly I was well off the mark with the automatics.


In the same post a month and a half ago I expressed concern about Derby's (lack of) defensive solidity to your annoyance and a month and a half later, they are still leaking goals like a sieve.

To my annoyance? Please explain. My replies weren’t remotely confrontational so I don’t know why you’re saying I was annoyed.


I said last year that they do not have a strong enough defence to match their attacking strengths and it cost them; just like last year, they have the worst defensive record of the top 6 teams.

I agree they have one of the weaker defences in the top six, I never said they didn’t. Their game is largely based on good possession and being on the front foot. They’re not like Middlesbrough, for example, who rely heavily on keeping it tight. They score and concede, unfortunately for them, in almost equal measure since their form has dipped, this wasn’t the case last season or in the first half of this season. They were generally scoring enough or not quite as fragile defensively.


I don't know why you are having a wee dig at me (and Chris Martin)! Today was just his second start since getting injured on the 2nd of February. Before that his form was exemplary! It is okay to insinuate that Keogh is part the reason why they kept 6 clean sheets once but it is unfair of me to point out that Martin's goal today bailed them out and that his goals were a significant reason for their early season form?!

I was only making the point that Martin has been injured for the majority of the period that Derby have really started leaking goals, therefore he wasn’t in a position where he could bail them out. His form this season has been fantastic, he’s a key player for them. The ‘dig’, as you call it, was completely towards what I saw as an inaccuracy in your comment, definitely not aimed at Chris Martin.


You were belligerent towards me when I said they were faltering at the business end. They have conceded 30 in 18 games and have won 4 of their last 18 games. You don't think that is faltering?

That’s rubbish and you know it. Of course, they’re faltering at the business end (so far). My question to you that time, which you didn’t bother dealing with despite the fact that I mentioned it twice, was that you said “faltering at the business end – again”. I’m sure you understand this perfectly well and you're just being selective in your wording now. I mean, how anybody would take what you’ve just said above from this, I just don’t know:


When you say "falter at the business end - again", what are you getting at? Obviously they faltered in the very last minute of the business end last season, but before that they seemed to be handling the pressure well, finishing third, hammering Brighton in playoff semi and totally dominating the final at Wembley. It's incomparable to the collapse this season which you seem to be doing.

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27 goals conceded in 17 games as Derby falter at the business end - again.

[DeLorean]

I honestly don't know why you are so paranoid and sensitive. I haven't blamed Keogh for anything this afternoon. I simply said their defense is faltering (which it is) and that he conceded a penalty (which he did).

Now you can blame the man on the moon for Keogh's inadequacies and you can defend him to the hilt but his and Derby's form is far from perfect ATM.

You see, this is just pure nonsense. I’ll attempt to prove it in my next post. And how you can say I’m paranoid is quite funny coming from a guy who thinks a whole message board is out to get him! I’m not blaming the man on the moon or anybody else for Keogh’s inadequacies (of which he has plenty) but I am trying to be fair to the guy, and he’s been one of their better performers defensively during their slump, in my opinion, certainly in the games I have seen and highlights of the goals they have conceded.


Eh DeLorean it was you that brought up George Thorne as if his absence was the reason Derby's defence has been performing so dismally over the last several months and when you are told he has been out all season - even when their form was exemplary - it's Mascarell's absence now.

Are you seriously suggesting that I was unaware that Thorne has been out all season, that it really needed to be pointed out to me? Mascarell was first choice holding midfielder a lot of the time Eustace was available, certainly for the more winnable home games, which would have been the majority of them. Personally, I think Eustace and Thorne are bigger losses against the stronger sides or tougher away games, but Mascarell is a good ball player. It’s the loss of any recognised holding midfield which has severely imbalanced the team. It has the knock on effect of taking the likes of Hendrick, Bryson or Hughes away from the areas where they do their best work also.

And I’m not just selectively bringing Mascarell into the equation now, I said this at the start of March before you even made your ‘struggling to make playoffs’ prediction. This was also before he got injured.


The biggest problem I'd imagine is that Thorne and Eustace are both out injured, their only holding midfield players with presence and strength. Their midfield is lightweight without those two, but they tend to get away with it at home where Mascarell seems to excel.


I don't know why you keep insinuating that the absence of Thorne & Eustace is affecting them. They have played a combined 17 times this season and Derby have done fine without them.

Throw Mascarell into the mix and they haven’t done fine without a recognised holding midfielder. They have now started twelve games this season without all three, winning just four (against Rotterham on the opening day, when they won 1-0 with a late winner after bringing Mascarell on), Carlisle in the League Cup and relegated Blackpool and Wigan.


And what does a striker - any striker - being out injured have to do with how poorly a defence is performing?

Well I was pointing to Bent and Martin’s injuries as another reason for the general dip in form, not so much conceding more goals. That being said, it does take some of the burden off a defence when you have a striker that can hold the ball up and win free kicks in the oppositions half. There are few better at this than Martin, I’m sure you’ll agree.


You come across like Norwich, Watford & Ipswich have Didier Deschamps or Claude Makelele type water carriers protecting their defence when they have had to economise just like Derby have.

Not at all, but every team have different strengths and weaknesses. I know more about Derby’s than the teams listed above. A natural holding midfield player is key to the way they're set up, when they’re at their best.


Ironic that you bring Jake Buxton up. The last time Derby started without Keogh in their defence, they actually kept a clean sheet. Hmm.....

You really need to look up the definition of irony, we’ve been here before. I know you’re being lighthearted on this point but I don’t really get it. What has Buxton got to do with Derby keeping a clean sheet the last time Keogh was missing? They always start together when fit so it’s not like Buxton stepped in for Keogh that time. And by the way, Keogh has started 21 of Derby’s 22 clean sheets this season. The one you mention was the only one he didn’t, at home to Brighton.


You have implied that Cyrus Christie & the other defenders have been erratic and carry the burden for their deficiencies - which I disagree with - but Richard Keogh is supposed to be the captain.... you know?

There have been a lot of individual mistakes, which Keogh is no stranger to himself, but recently I think it’s been more the likes of Forsyth (Watford’s equaliser an obvious example) and Grant has been really poor, after an excellent first half to the season. Christie’s form has dipped to the point where he’s been dropped a couple of times, fair enough if you feel this was harsh on him but he definitely hasn’t looked his energetic self lately.


Listen DeLorean, I think you are being a little paranoid here.

Now that’s ironic.

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Now you can blame the man on the moon for Keogh's inadequacies and you can defend him to the hilt but his and Derby's form is far from perfect ATM.

As promised!.... this is just a quick selection of me defending Keogh to the hilt! If it wasn’t for you I could actually be seen as the guy with an agenda against him on here. The only difference is I give him credit where it is due also.


The jury will be out on both (Keogh & Buxton) should they gain promotion, especially after Derby's defensive horror show the last time they went up.


Just saw the goal again and I have to admit I got it wrong. Thought at the time that Keogh was left exposed and had to go to the player, he didn't as there was cover. Apologies, you win this round Knockers


I think you'd have to say he was good overall, but the goal does put a dent on the performance as he had a few shaky moments otherwise as well. He failed to cut out a cross in the first half which could have been very dangerous and gave a way a needless free kick in a perfect position for Andy Reid also, which luckily nothing came of. He misjudged a header in the second half too and accidentally headed it backwards but Shotton mopped up.


It seems crazy that he's (Keogh) gone ahead of Delaney on all known evidence.


All four Irish guys have been poor, Keogh and Shotton between them failed to deal with Bamford's movement for the first goal and have been generally sloppy.


It was terrible. I hope he (Keogh) drops down the pecking order a bit for us.


Keogh not playing so well of late, a lot of Derby fans saying he should be dropped for Albentosa, who they have barely seen play I'd assume.


Actually the conversation about him having a go at Christie reminded me of Celtic Park, when Forde played a simple ball out and Keogh let it run past him, thinking he was in more space than he actually was. He gave out to Forde for the pass when he was clearly the one in the wrong. I know this is common enough amongst goalkeepers and defenders but it looks a lot better when you hold your hands up I think.


That's three different managers that I know of that obviously see him as a great leader, and they see a lot more behind the scenes than you or I. That doesn't make him an international class defender though unfortunately.


We'd learn very quickly if Keogh could be of any use at a high level, I suspect Derby would need better if they were to be competitive.


He (Keogh) did have a stinker last night though!


Here are the goals from last night. Not tight enough for the first, turned inside out for the second and ball watching for the third.


Can you not just be happy for Richie, while reserving the right to be worried if thrown in at the deep end for us? I think most of us would be worried in that scenario.

[tricky_colour]

Keogh named in PFA Championship team of the season alongside Murphy and Westwood: http://www.derbytelegraph.co.uk/Derby-County-Rams-skipper-Richard-Keogh-named-PFA/story-26391846-detail/story.html

Must be upsetting for his critics here!

[DannyInvincible]

Firstly, apologies for all of the multi-quoting but there was a lot to reply to. I really don't like going down this road (i.e. the volume of my reply) and it's definitely a once off. In my defence, at least it's my own thread I'm butchering!

I'm impressed. Embrace it, DeL! :p

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I didn't even know there was a character limit!

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Some volley alright. He also gave away the second penalty for a foul on Dunne.Keogh's handball looked incredibly harsh.

Keogh's handball looked harsh alright, his hands were raised but it seemed to hit him on the chest, hard to tell. Forde wasn't brilliant for Ince's free kick, one of those goals that he tends to concede where it's hard to fault him too much but I wonder would a better keeper save it. The highlights are here (including Hendrick's goal at 2:00).


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jcs0B_97u8Q

[TrapAPony]

Going to miss out on the playoffs. 2-0 down at home to Reading. Terrible end to the season when all they needed was a point.

[TheOneWhoKnocks]

"Jake Buxton is the glue that holds the Derby defence together and they've missed him". Peter Beagrie

[Stuttgart88]

I didn't even know there was a character limit!
PM Danny. He'll tell you how to circumvent that.

[KK77]

Got exactly what they deserved!

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Derby seem to have completed the resigning of Jason Shackell from Burnley. It looks pretty certain that he'll be in the team, so it could be an interesting battle for the second centre back spot between Richard Keogh and Alex Pearce. Ryan Shotton and Jake Buxton are still on the books too, of course, but I'd imagine Keogh and Pearce would be ahead of them in the pecking order and one, if not both, could be gone in this transfer window anyway. The other centre back, Albentosa, has been loaned back to Spain with Malaga. Clement has been making noises about making his side adept in various formations and having more than one game plan (something that was severely lacking under McClaren) so maybe he'll experiment with three at the back which might work out well for our two lads.

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Ominous looking start to Clement's reign as Pearce and Hendrick start on the bench. Keogh starts and Christie doesn't even making the subs. Serious competition for places with the likes of Weimann and Bent on the bench.

[TheOneWhoKnocks]

Hendrick on for Bryson midway through the first half.

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And Will Hughes gone off with a nasty looking knee injury. Door opening for Hendrick at least even if it's a bit of a potential disaster for Derby.

[TheOneWhoKnocks]

Hendrick will get plenty of game time. Hughes & Thorne are very brittle.

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Hendrick only came on for the final fifteen minutes or so in Derby's 0-0 draw at home to Burnley last night, seems to be more of a bench player at this moment in time after all of Derby's signings. I don't know much about Butterfield, the guy they signed from Huddersfield, but he would seem to be his main competitor for a starting spot. Hendrick had a couple of sloppy moments when he came on as Derby went in chase of a winner, but he did have one really incisive pass that almost created the winner. I only saw the second half but Keogh looked really good, and almost scored the winner himself but his header was cleared off the line. Christie was heavily involved down the right as well.

[DeLorean]

Super midfield play by Hendrick to win the day for Derby this afternoon. Benched until the 70th minutes mark again, he was instrumental in the goal that put Derby into a scarcely deserved 2-1 lead approaching injury time. Tom Ince subsequently put a gloss on the result with a third shortly afterwards.

Hendrick received the ball from Keogh in the centre of midfield*, played a nice one-two with Bradley Johnson before feeding the ball to Tom Ince down the left. Ince looked like running into a cul de sac before Hendrick offered himself again in support. Ince knocked it back to him and made the run in behind which Hendrick picked out brilliantly. Ince then had the simple task of playing it across to Darren Bent who put it into an open goal. I'm not sure he can be left out of the starting line-up much longer, consistency may be a factor but for a team struggling in the final third he really possesses the bit of imagination that a lot of the others don't really have.

Alex Pearce wasn't even in the match day squad, not sure if he was injured but it's looking like a dodgy move for him with the form of Keogh and Shackell. He's really relying on injuries at this stage.

*The kind of confident midfield play I think most would like to see James McCarthy produce more, taking a ball in a vulnerable midfield position with some opposition players nearby.

[Stuttgart88]

Saw that. Hendrick was very positive. I love a midfielder who drives forward with the ball.

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This is the pass to Ince, weighted perfectly. It doesn't show him picking up possession on halfway though unfortunately.


https://youtu.be/p0zizeCTU98?t=1m35s

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Christie, Keogh and Hendrick all start at the iPro. Judge starts for Brentford. Pearce not in squad. Derby fans much happier with Christie's early season form compared to the way he finished last season.

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Good work down the right from Christie before assisting Martin to put Derby ahead.

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Hendrick assists Ince to make it 2-0.

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Our two assists and a good goal line clearance from Christie here-


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r1RR2J9-sWM

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U0NDYmsAZNU

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Keogh had one of those nights that would put shivers through you in advance of the Euros, a poor own goal and a fairly needless penalty concession. His centre back partner (in crime), Jason Shackell, wasn't to be outdone though and gave away and even more ridiculous penalty and deflected a ball into his own net also, on his return to Turf Moor. It was a bit of a mad game, with Derby easily the better team in the first half and deserved more than the 1-1 scoreline. Burnley weren't even impressive on the night but were well organised defensively and Derby went into kamikaze mode for four minutes early in the second half, when they conceded two penalties. Ward dealt well with the combination of Ince and Christie, Ince eventually being substituted. Hendrick didn't make it off the bench.

Alex Pearce's loan move to Bristol City has coincided with Derby's two worst defensive performances of the season, he would have definitely been deserving of an opportunity after last night. Manchester United up next on Friday in what has turned out to be a bit of a distraction, although I'm not sure if it's a welcome one or one they could do without. How they perform might determine that. They've an okay looking run of league fixtures but they really need to step it up, there were signs in the first half last night that it's in them, but the similarities with last season's collapse must add lingering doubts.

[Charlie Darwin]

I'm more worried by Hendrick's situation. I don't know if the manager just doesn't rate him, but if he can't get into a badly-performing midfield like that I'd worry for his Euro chances.

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The manager has played him fairly often and, until last night, he's usually the first port of call from the bench when he doesn't start. There could be a case made against Clement for starting his own signings a bit too much maybe, Bradley Johnson has been terrible for example. In fairness, Hendrick's main competitor, Butterfield has scored a few goals at least. Hendrick's own form hasn't been brilliant though it has to be said. In one way, it's probably no harm they took a battering last night without him, seeing as he played the full ninety in their defeat to Birmingham. They're seriously lacking a cutting edge at the moment.

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Raining Irish goalscorers on Griffin Park today as Alan Judge gave Brentford the lead before Hendrick's equaliser inspired a Derby comeback with ten minutes to go. Christie put Derby ahead before Chris Martin made sure of the win.

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Goals here... Alan Judge's is a cracker.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dFnrBd7iNyE

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Wolves just gone 2-1 up against Derby late on, a brilliant cross from Doherty who has played well at left back (food for thought?). He had a goal disallowed earlier as well, he was a mile offide but finished very well. Both his disallowed goal and cross showed clear benefits of being a right footed left back. Keogh has been solid in a game that Derby have controlled for the most part, Hendrick gets into lovely little pockets but is often not found by his teammates and Christie has had a tough enough outing but done okay.

[TheOneWhoKnocks]

Derby - always a good bet to collapse in the final third of a season.

Ipswich don't have the resources to compete.

Sheffield Wednesday & Birmingham to finish above them and hopefully from an Irish perspective Preston can continue their winning run to sustain their unlikely Playoff challenge.

[OwlsFan]

Ipswich don't have the resources to compete.

But they have Mick McCarthy who has done the sow's ear miracle there.

[Fixer82]

Derby - always a good bet to collapse in the final third of a season.

Ipswich don't have the resources to compete.

Sheffield Wednesday & Birmingham to finish above them and hopefully from an Irish perspective Preston can continue their winning run to sustain their unlikely Playoff challenge.

Hopefully so for McGeady. Although I think his wonder strike V Georgia will bag him a seat on the plane to France

[TheOneWhoKnocks]

Wow. Just wow.

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Derby blew their lead, Towky blew his load.

[TheOneWhoKnocks]

I hope the Keogh that showed up against Bosnia shows up in France and not the Keogh that showed up yesterday afternoon.

Caught out on the counter attack that begins the highlight video and doesn't cover himself in glory for first or last Rotherham goal. Hendrick had a couple nice touches and was involved in second Derby goal. Best's goals were the definition of scrappy but it will do. The monkey is firmly off his back.

www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/football/teams/derby-county/10202849/rotherham-3-3-derby (http://foot.ie/www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/football/teams/derby-county/10202849/rotherham-3-3-derby)

[Stuttgart88]

All noted re-Keogh but it was always thus with the likes of Breen and Babb etc. Club form and international form can be different.