DDSL vs SFAI

[Cici900]

Thanks for that link ore orchardexile.

I must admit I am bamboozled by the fact that the revised draw is still not up on the SFAI website, although DDSL clubs are now starting to appear in the last 32 draw on the site

Does anyone know how the clubs emerging from the ddsl draw are integrated into the four places allocated within the last 32? For example in the U16 section ddsl teams were allocated slots 11, 12, 13 and 14. In the recent days St Kevins have appeared in slot number 11. My query is why or how they are team number 11 instead of 12, 13 or 14.

Was this done as part of the ddsl re-draw or part of the SFAI re-draw or in some other way?

It is strange that this was not / is not clear and transparent from the website!

At this stage, nothing is surprising...

[Ballymoreman]

It's the 'revised' draw for last 32 round on the SFAI website and has been for some time.

[fifa]

I wonder did the csl get a response from Delaney yet if not it's some slap in the face to one of the biggest leagues in the country

[Ezeikial]

It's the 'revised' draw for last 32 round on the SFAI website and has been for some time.

Perhaps I did not make my earlier post clear enough.

I know that the revised SFAI draw for the last 32 has been up for some time (with 4 vacant slots obviously for ddsl qualifiers)

The ddsl part of the draw does not appear to have been updated on the SFAI site and therefore the path from ddsl qualifiers to last 32 is not shown.

More importantly it is not clear where each ddsl qualifier slots into the last 32 (see the above example of U16's and ST Kevins Boys). Was this drawn in the SFAI or DDSL re-draw, or was it even the subject to a transparent draw at all?

[Ballymoreman]

The DDSL slots currently in the SFAI last 32 draw were drawn by the SFAI. It would appear that the DDSL aren't too pushed about sending the SFAI updated results as they might highlight the fact that it appears some Round 1 DDSL games haven't even been played yet and there 'big guns' only wade into the handpicked section of the draw in DDSL round 3 and then the winners in DDSL rd 4 get through to the last 32. Anyone waiting on a DDSL team has a LONG way to go yet. Shhhhhhhhhhhhhh don't tell the FAI as they might be tempted to bury their head even further into the manure pile they've created with this one.

[Ezeikial]

It appears that further changes have taken place in the last 32 draw.

I mentioned in a post two days ago that in the U-16 competition St Kevins Boys were listed on the SFAI website in slot number 11 in the last 32 (home to Corduff). Today this has magically changed and St Kevins Boys have now moved to slot number 13 (walkover against Springfield) and are now propelled into the last 16.

How could this be possible?

If the ddsl slots in the revised SFAI were drawn in a public and transparent manner, how could they now have changed?

These are the original and amended slots in the U16's:
Originally No 14 now No 11 - Stella Maris P or Home Farm B
Originally No 13 now No 12 - or Cherry Orchard (I presume that this should read Lucan or Cherry Orchard)
Originally No 11 now No 13 - St Kevins Boys
Originally No 12 now no 14 - St Josephs Boys

Can anyone say if similar changes have also happened in other age groups?

[fifa]

Ah this is an absolute joke the gardai should be rang at this stage!

[Charlie Darwin]

Ah this is an absolute joke the gardai should be rang at this stage!
Can you not tell UEFA to intervene?

[fifa]

Can you not tell UEFA to intervene?
In theory but probably cost a fortune

[jimhacker]

I wonder did the csl get a response from Delaney yet if not it's some slap in the face to one of the biggest leagues in the country


Delaney didn't bother.

He got none other than the president of the FAI to respond with the usual threats of legal action - how dare these upstarts question the wisdom of the Abbotstown junta.

See today's Sunday Times for extracts.

[fifa]

Delaney didn't bother.

He got none other than the president of the FAI to respond with the usual threats of legal action - how dare these upstarts question the wisdom of the Abbotstown junta.

See today's Sunday Times for extracts.
Couldn't find anything in yesterday's Sunday times?

[Hitman]

Couldn't find anything in yesterday's Sunday times?

http://i60.tinypic.com/2h66gpu.jpg

[jimhacker]

Good piece in Star today. No scanner so can't put it up here.

This issue just isn't going away!

[fifa]

Anyone know a few good solicitors cause I think the way the fai are dealing with this it's the way it will end up,a lot of people are losing faith in the way the game is run here will lose these players to gaa and rugby directly from this shambles I think

[Ezeikial]

It's clear that at least one DDSL club believe that the SFAI 50km radius rule is not valid or not enforceable.

In the U-16 National Cup Round of 16 today St Kevins Boys emerged victorious over Ardee Celtic with a two goal contribution from a Dundalk based player.

Depending on how you measure it, the distance involved from Dundalk to Whitehall in Dublin is in the region of 75km-80km. St Kevins Boys would have been well aware that this players circumstances were known to their opponents, as Ardee Celtic play in the Dundalk league where said player has played his football up until last season.

Obviously St Kevins Boys did not seeing playing him as being any sort of a disqualification risk

[prince20]

It's clear that at least one DDSL club believe that the SFAI 50km radius rule is not valid or not enforceable.

In the U-16 National Cup Round of 16 today St Kevins Boys emerged victorious over Ardee Celtic with a two goal contribution from a Dundalk based player.

Depending on how you measure it, the distance involved from Dundalk to Whitehall in Dublin is in the region of 75km-80km. St Kevins Boys would have been well aware that this players circumstances were known to their opponents, as Ardee Celtic play in the Dundalk league where said player has played his football up until last season.

Obviously St Kevins Boys did not seeing playing him as being any sort of a disqualification risk

Think the rule is the distance from the school where the player attends. Not sure if it has any relevance in this case though.

[Ezeikial]

Think the rule is the distance from the school where the player attends. Not sure if it has any relevance in this case though.

You are correct that the rule is based on distance from school to club - in this case the distance is in the region of 75km - 80km (certainly well in excess of 50km)

The point is that if it is the case that the SFAI rulebook specifies a maximum of 50km before a player is ineligible, St Kevins Boys were clearly unconcerned about adhering to this rule.

I can only speculate that this is based on a confidence that if they there was an objection lodged and the match awarded against them by the SFAI under their 50km rules, that they would be successful on appeal to the FAI who appear to have decided that 80km is the acceptable limit.

[fifa]

So does anyone know who is running schoolboys football in ireland at the moment seriously?

[dutchie]

It's clear that at least one DDSL club believe that the SFAI 50km radius rule is not valid or not enforceable.

In the U-16 National Cup Round of 16 today St Kevins Boys emerged victorious over Ardee Celtic with a two goal contribution from a Dundalk based player.

Depending on how you measure it, the distance involved from Dundalk to Whitehall in Dublin is in the region of 75km-80km. St Kevins Boys would have been well aware that this players circumstances were known to their opponents, as Ardee Celtic play in the Dundalk league where said player has played his football up until last season.

Why dont they object.Its the only way this rubbish bu ddsl teams will be sortede.

Obviously St Kevins Boys did not seeing playing him as being any sort of a disqualification risk

Why dont they just object.

[fifa]

I wonder will Delaney show up in cork tonight for the ireland u19 game

[Ezeikial]

Why dont they just object.

Perhaps they have or intend to lodge an objection.

But to answer your question about possible reasons not to object, here are some that spring to mind


Principle of football matches being decided on football pitches rather than in committee rooms
Poor use of club volunteers time and energy which can be better used within the club
Cost of appeal
Probability of any decision by SFAI being appealed to FAI
Reluctance to be embroiled in the soap opera politics that is the administration of schoolboy football in Ireland
Apathy


There are of course also benefits and reasons to appeal

In any case the original post was about how the DDSL club obviously see no/little risk in ignoring the 50km rule

[dutchie]

Well if my club loses to one of the dublin teams and we heard of a player outside the 49km rule we would object all the way to the steps.

[Ezeikial]

Well if my club loses to one of the dublin teams and we heard of a player outside the 49km rule we would object all the way to the steps.

If your club is Co Limerick club, Herbertstown AFC you may well get your wish as they are drawn to play St Kevins Boys in the last eight.

Of course that is based on any appeal by Ardee Celtic being unsuccessful

[fifa]

Are ardee Celtic going to appeal

[schoolboygodno9]

http://www.corkschoolboysleague.ie/news_detail.php?news_id=1071

[jimhacker]

Think the rule is the distance from the school where the player attends. Not sure if it has any relevance in this case though.


No.

Mr Delaney was also kind enough to assist with the change of "school" to "residence".

Naturally, all the country players coveted by the DDSL clubs have uncles/grannies/cousins living in Dublin.

I see the same individual in today's Irish Times complaining about other people's "outrageous salaries".

Truly, this guy has no limits - his neck wouldn't be out of place in the weighing room at Cheltenham.

[fifa]

Fai should take a leaf out of this teams book (one of the cork teams to lose out in the sfai cup farce)http://t.co/TDWDTT6JrD

[fifa]

I see ddsl teams won all the sfai cups,handy when you can guarantee your best teams are in last 32! What a farce

[Ezeikial]

I see ddsl teams won all the sfai cups,handy when you can guarantee your best teams are in last 32! What a farce

Maybe it is because each of the winning teams are the best in their respective age groups?

[Green]

Maybe it is because each of the winning teams are the best in their respective age groups?

That probably is the case but when you are allowed to seed/break the rules....well look at the advantage you have then compared to the rest. It simply isn't democratic for want of a better word. You need to take in to account also the Cork teams pulled.

With a new head of the SFAI coming in hopefully things will be different because the current guy's tenure has been filled with controversy and that is not good.

[Ezeikial]

That probably is the case but when you are allowed to seed/break the rules....well look at the advantage you have then compared to the rest. It simply isn't democratic for want of a better word. You need to take in to account also the Cork teams pulled.


My views on this fiasco are well established already in this thread. What occurred was a disgrace and reflects badly on the three parties involved - DDSL, FAI and SFAI.

Nevertheless, If the DDSL had complied with the rules and had an open draw, it is still likely that DDSL teams would have dominated the competitions


With a new head of the SFAI coming in hopefully things will be different because the current guy's tenure has been filled with controversy and that is not good.

Perhaps, but I would not have a great deal of hope or faith. The main problems lie elsewhere. Politics and self-interest have consistently won out over integrity and fair play in the administration of football in Ireland

[jimhacker]

Maybe it is because each of the winning teams are the best in their respective age groups?

Well, we'll never know that will we?

Well done, the winners of the *National Cups.