View Full Version : Setanta cup gone?
adamd164
09/11/2013, 10:36 AM
Around the time of this year's Setanta cup, Milo Corcoran said that the organizing committee were hopeful of getting in a new main sponsor and that setanta would still broadcast games if one was found.
Would love to be wrong but the deafening silence since then suggests this hasn't transpired? The draw is usually in December.
avvenalaf
09/11/2013, 11:32 AM
Hear Roy Keane is coming on board and the name is being altered to The Setanta O'Halpin trophy.
SeanDrog
10/11/2013, 11:42 AM
As a competition it failed to capture the imagination (unfortunately).
CityRebel
10/11/2013, 12:11 PM
As a competition it failed to capture the imagination (unfortunately).
If they played the matches on Friday nights it'd make a big difference to mid-week.
SeanDrog
10/11/2013, 12:18 PM
Fully agree , but they didn't (big mistake IMO)
citybone
10/11/2013, 11:18 PM
Just merge both League cups (they mean feck all anyway) Regionalise the early rounds but don't use the border as a cut off, use the 12 Irish league sides, 19 League of Ireland clubs next season and one other team (Maybe Monaghan united?). Get EA Sports to sponsor it. (It would have more interest in the Current league of Ireland League cup).
So in the first round have 4 regions of 8 teams each, Second round of 2 regions with 8 teams in each and have the Quarter final a open draw.
As a Cork City fan i do like the competition but the distance is a hindrance especially for the early rounds.
Possible first round clash's Dundalk vs Warrenpoint, Derry vs Coleraine, Sligo vs Ballymonard. Try to keep teams from the same division apart as much as possible (Due to having small league's we play the same teams too often).
Cant see there being a competition in 2014 unfortunatly.
A face
10/11/2013, 11:21 PM
It was a great competition because it was great prize money, even for just getting into it, better than League Cup and FAI Cup early rounds anyway. It was a chance to play different teams/players and you didn't have to travel to the depths of eastern Europe for it either. It was great to have something that replaced the old Blaxnit Cup as well.
NeverFeltBetter
10/11/2013, 11:27 PM
Shame. Great idea, just hard to get over some of the inherent problems, biggest in my opinion being dominance of LOI. It's expansion damaged its "prestige" or whatever you want to call it too.
citybone
11/11/2013, 6:11 AM
Shame. Great idea, just hard to get over some of the inherent problems, biggest in my opinion being dominance of LOI. It's expansion damaged its "prestige" or whatever you want to call it too.
The Dominance was a problem alright, The Irish league sides didn't seem to want to take it seriously at least not since the prize money decreased. As for the Prestige, We were fighting for the spot at the end of the 2012 season cos we wanted it. A lot of travel for Cork but good motorway makes it as easy as a trip to Dublin was 10 years ago or Sligo/Derry nowadays.
When Bray played Lisburn, that was prob not the highlight of the competition but im sure the Bray fans must have enjoyed the experience. I know some people suggested welsh league sides and after looking into that i dont think its great but maybe if there was one welsh team, three Irish League sides and 4 League of Ireland sides it might be good.
I suggested two versions of the competition in this tread already lol. I just like playing different team's as in not always League of Ireland teams. Playing new teams is interesting.
toffeejay
13/11/2013, 6:47 PM
Don't see what Welsh sides would bring, they might be able to compete but in terms of interest there are only two sides who have a good fan base, Bangor and Rhyl, but even they only get about 500 a game.
A combined League Cup would be the way to go (I always thought England and Scotland should do this as well).
Charlie Darwin
13/11/2013, 7:01 PM
Welsh teams are a complete no-goer. Sure the Pro 12 rugby games with Welsh sides, the likes of Ospreys even wouldn't bring more than a couple of dozen fans and they average like 10,000 at home. Bala Town wouldn't have a hope.
toffeejay
13/11/2013, 7:19 PM
Worst still if it was just one club it would always be TNS and they have 0 fan base.
Longfordian
13/11/2013, 7:21 PM
Welsh teams are a complete no-goer. Sure the Pro 12 rugby games with Welsh sides, the likes of Ospreys even wouldn't bring more than a couple of dozen fans and they average like 10,000 at home. Bala Town wouldn't have a hope.
Some may recall we played a Welsh team in Europe once. Ahem. Anyway they brought about 5 fans over for the first leg if that.
Charlie Darwin
13/11/2013, 7:29 PM
Worst still if it was just one club it would always be TNS and they have 0 fan base.
I have it on good authority they were dancing on the streets of Total Network Solutions the night they hammered Bohs 4-0 :)
I went to a number of Setanta Cup matches this year, including an away game where Portadown played Drogheda. I couldn't notice that people were unnattracted, even the Northern Irish supporters. The game between Shamrock Rovers and Linfield for example, had an insanely big crowd, attention, atmosphere, better than any match I have ever seen in Ireland, including the european competitions. There seems to be appetite for this type of competition among the crowd, and the costs aren't much bigger than playing a regular league game (at least for LoI clubs. Might be different if welsh teams were invited, as it might involve a plane trip. 4 hours more flattening your bum in a ferry doesn't seem what a team worried about fitness would do). Everything is easier said that done, but takes an enormous amount of incompetence and indiference to ruin a competition like this.
Since there are already two suggestions, what I would do is a format more or less like this: 4 Loi and 4 IL sides. LoI sides in group A, IL sides in group B, teams play only the teams in the other group once, two games home and two games away for each. A semifinal between the first and second of each group, and then the final, avoiding adding yet 2 more Drogheda X Shamrock Rovers clashes.
Charlie Darwin
13/11/2013, 7:37 PM
The game between Shamrock Rovers and Linfield for example, had an insanely big crowd, attention, atmosphere, better than any match I have ever seen in Ireland, including the european competitions.
Yeah, great atmosphere. I think it was James Chambers who said on twitter after the game that it's the kind of atmosphere players dream of.
Agree with your suggestion about trying to keep as many games as possible between teams from different leagues. It's gotten very boring the last couple of years with LOI sides dominating.
Dodge
14/11/2013, 10:25 AM
The draw was set up to keep that from happening. Can't be helped if LOI sides kept winning.
dundalkfc10
14/11/2013, 3:28 PM
I went to a number of Setanta Cup matches this year, including an away game where Portadown played Drogheda. I couldn't notice that people were unnattracted, even the Northern Irish supporters. The game between Shamrock Rovers and Linfield for example, had an insanely big crowd, attention, atmosphere, better than any match I have ever seen in Ireland, including the european competitions. There seems to be appetite for this type of competition among the crowd, and the costs aren't much bigger than playing a regular league game (at least for LoI clubs. Might be different if welsh teams were invited, as it might involve a plane trip. 4 hours more flattening your bum in a ferry doesn't seem what a team worried about fitness would do). Everything is easier said that done, but takes an enormous amount of incompetence and indiference to ruin a competition like this.
Since there are already two suggestions, what I would do is a format more or less like this: 4 Loi and 4 IL sides. LoI sides in group A, IL sides in group B, teams play only the teams in the other group once, two games home and two games away for each. A semifinal between the first and second of each group, and then the final, avoiding adding yet 2 more Drogheda X Shamrock Rovers clashes.
Same when we played Linfield a few years back, The atmosphere and excitement regarding both home and away ties (apart from the PSNI and Guards making us all have to leave from Oriel and getting escorted in and out of Belfast, if you didnt do this you didnt go to the game) Was 2 of the top 10 games Ive watched Dundalk in the last 17/18 years
citybone
14/11/2013, 5:28 PM
the better supported Welsh clubs would be about the mid table in Northern Irish attendance. If they have 6 teams from the north again make it IL +1 Welsh+ 6 LOI. I think it would help the welsh league crowds for this anyway. But the 4 IL + 4 LOI makes sense but the 6 LOI teams made the fight for 6th spot more interesting. Top 4 is European spots already.
citybone
14/11/2013, 5:46 PM
Rumours of a announcement "soon" according to the www.ccfcforum.com poster
Same when we played Linfield a few years back
First time Pats played Linfield (and Glentoran) the games/atmosphere were great.
Wasn't nearly as exciting the 2nd time round for either.
adamd164
17/11/2013, 9:32 AM
Rumours of a announcement "soon" according to the www.ccfcforum.com (http://www.ccfcforum.com) poster
Be great to see a new sponsor announced if true.
adamd164
17/11/2013, 9:33 AM
First time Pats played Linfield (and Glentoran) the games/atmosphere were great.
A kinda weird stat is that after all these years Linfield haven't once played in Turner's Cross in this competition. Every year I've hoped we'd draw them to get a bit of a crowd out but never happens.
A face
18/11/2013, 9:48 AM
A kinda weird stat is that after all these years Linfield haven't once played in Turner's Cross in this competition. Every year I've hoped we'd draw them to get a bit of a crowd out but never happens.
I am convinced it was a condition on them entering the competition, very strange that it never happened given both clubs participation in it.
8 teams in it for 2014, with four from each league
LOI; Pats, Sligo, Dundalk, Rovers
IL; Cliftonville, Crusaders, Glentoran, Linfield
http://stpatsfc.com/news.php?id=5915
White Horse
27/11/2013, 9:10 AM
Derry must be dissappointed that they have been ignored. Shamrock Rovers are not there on merit.
Derry must be dissappointed that they have been ignored. Shamrock Rovers are not there on merit.
Unless they're there as holders or league cup winners. TO be fair to the Setanta, they did have a rule about holders getting a spot
White Horse
27/11/2013, 9:53 AM
Unless they're there as holders or league cup winners. TO be fair to the Setanta, they did have a rule about holders getting a spot
Yes, I forgot about Shams being the reigning cup holders.
NeverFeltBetter
27/11/2013, 9:55 AM
Reduced format sounds good.
Mr_Parker
27/11/2013, 10:44 AM
Were did St Pat's get this confirmation from? I ask because I think someone may have got a little ahead of themselves.
8 teams in it for 2014, with four from each league
LOI; Pats, Sligo, Dundalk, Rovers
IL; Cliftonville, Crusaders, Glentoran, Linfield
http://stpatsfc.com/news.php?id=5915
Ezeikial
27/11/2013, 11:07 AM
Were did St Pat's get this confirmation from? I ask because I think someone may have got a little ahead of themselves.
Is it that you believe this to be correct information released ahead of an official announcement, or that it is simply factually incorrect?
Dodge
27/11/2013, 11:23 AM
Were did St Pat's get this confirmation from? I ask because I think someone may have got a little ahead of themselves.
You'll have to ask them. In fairness, I don't think they would do so without official word from the organisers
Professor K
27/11/2013, 11:56 AM
It was in the Daily Star yesterday as well, which said that it would be one-off ties and not over two legs.
I'd like Rovers to draw Crusaders or Glentoran, haven't met either of them competitively since the 60s.
JC_GUFC
27/11/2013, 11:58 AM
It was in the Daily Star yesterday as well, which said that it would be one-off ties and not over two legs.
I'd like Rovers to draw Crusaders or Glentoran, haven't met either of them competitively since the 60s.
So 7 games in total?
Dodge
27/11/2013, 12:03 PM
So 7 games in total?
Seems that way. I'd definitely be in favour of it too.
A stat I'm sure Professor K is aware of but Pats will be making a LOI record 7th Setanta appearance. Here's all appearances to date
https://twitter.com/seidodge/status/402491779687014400/photo/1/large
Mr_Parker
27/11/2013, 12:03 PM
You'll have to ask them. In fairness, I don't think they would do so without official word from the organisers
You would think there would be a collective announcement from all the clubs on the back of an official announcement from the organisers. Have all the 'i's' been dotted on this one....
Briuk
27/11/2013, 12:21 PM
I know its a dream but to have all of them broadcasted would be awesome. Specially if they are one leg games, it's affordable considering they covered 7 last year. (If im not wrong)
poster
27/11/2013, 12:32 PM
I know its a dream but to have all of them broadcasted would be awesome.
Be good to see what sort of crowd turns up to each game then....
CityRebel
27/11/2013, 12:44 PM
How can they have a Setanta Cup without Cork City???!!!!!!!!!
Dodge
27/11/2013, 12:44 PM
You would think there would be a collective announcement from all the clubs on the back of an official announcement from the organisers.
That hasn't been the case in previous years, has it? Clubs have done it piece-meal and only upon the launch has anything official been fully announced
Continue with the rhetoric though if you think it won't be as Pats have described
Mr_Parker
27/11/2013, 2:54 PM
That hasn't been the case in previous years, has it? Clubs have done it piece-meal and only upon the launch has anything official been fully announced
Continue with the rhetoric though if you think it won't be as Pats have described
What I am saying is not everything is finalised and until it is, it is premature to anmounce.
They must have been informed llikewise as they've taken down the notice
I know its a dream ... specially if they are one leg games,
you sick, sick man.
http://www.cil-mt.org/files/disabled-soccer-lg.jpg
Ezeikial
27/11/2013, 6:12 PM
They must have been informed llikewise as they've taken down the notice
As usual Shamrock Rovers have filled the vacuum....
Wednesday, 27 November 2013 18:16
Shamrock Rovers are one of eight clubs invited to enter the 2014 SSC.
Shamrock Rovers, Sligo Rovers, St.Patricks Athletic and Dundalk from the Aitricity League along with Cliftonville, Glentoran, Crusaders and Linfield from the Irish League have qualified and been invited to participate in next years tournament.
With four teams from each association, the 2014 Setanta Sports Cup will have quarter final, semi-final ties home and away & will be drawn North v South where possible, the final will be on the 10th May 2014.
The dates for the games will be agreed by the organising committee and both Premier Leagues over the next few days.
The Launch & Draw takes place in the Aviva Stadium on 11th December 2013.
http://www.shamrockrovers.ie/news/35-news/3454-setanta-sports-cup-2014
I wonder what it will be called, with Setanta pulling out of sponsoring it, plus will it even be shown on TV anywhere?
Bawnville Hoop
27/11/2013, 8:37 PM
The competition gets a good bit of press up north(in comparison to here). I wouldn't be surprised if it was sponsored from up north.
avvenalaf
27/11/2013, 10:37 PM
How can they have a Setanta Cup without Cork City???!!!!!!!!!
Massive missed opportunity to see Dennehy crying on the telly again.:cool::p;)
Mr_Parker
28/11/2013, 10:09 AM
Were did St Pat's get this confirmation from? I ask because I think someone may have got a little ahead of themselves.
That hasn't been the case in previous years, has it? Clubs have done it piece-meal and only upon the launch has anything official been fully announced
Continue with the rhetoric though if you think it won't be as Pats have described
They must have been informed llikewise as they've taken down the notice
..... http://www.irishleaguesupporters.com/forums/images/smilies/thumbsup.gif
disgruntled
28/11/2013, 11:37 AM
The competition started well enough but seemed to die a death once the Southern teams gained a measure of dominance.
Another major problem was the nights on which the games were played.
The financial situation of the ordinary fan didn't help either with mid week travel, work etc.
There's a small piece about it in today's Indo.
http://www.independent.ie/sport/soccer/setanta-cup-to-return-in-slimmeddown-format-29790741.html
My main worry is what will Smilo Corcoran do if the competition is scrapped :D
citybone
28/11/2013, 6:46 PM
So they made the draw with no sponsor. I think the prize money is going to be very small.
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