Under 16s

[blueblood]

Also how many will actually stop coming because we have signed a few schoolboys, not many id imagine.

I'd say the same amount as there are people looking for an excuse not to go, if they're only there because Limerick U16's didn't upset them yet then good luck to them, I'm sick of people and their feeble excuses to give out about Limerick Fc, I was under the impression the LFC had built bridges with a lot of junior clubs but now we're expected to tell young fellas 'ah we don't want you cause you're too good and we might upset some clubs and some Limerick FC ''fans'' might stop supporting us! ! !
As jofspring said you can't please everyone. Typical Irish self serving attitudes is what's wrong here, fair play to Limerick FC for trying to do things right from the bottom up, if someone has a problem with that TOUGH we'll move on anyway.

[blueblood]

Maybe because limerick think they are the top dogs I for one hope they go bust for the how many time.they don't even have a place to call there own always going around with cap in hand.p.s. jp won't bail them out forever.

Ya we'll stay the same just to please the likes of you, I don't know who you support but Limerick FC will try progress so we won't have to rely on other clubs players isn't that what you want or or not? It's called forward planning, it might work or it might not but just because some people get jealous or whatever that's Life, Some people really need to be dragged into the 21st century.

[jaorta]

Ya we'll stay the same just to please the likes of you, I don't know who you support but Limerick FC will try progress so we won't have to rely on other clubs players isn't that what you want or or not? It's called forward planning, it might work or it might not but just because some people get jealous or whatever that's Life, Some people really need to be dragged into the 21st century.

Yeah, lets go out and try and beat our record and destroy another group of kids 22-0
that will really make everyone stand up and take note of us.If you call this progress
may God help us all...

[bluewhitearmy]

Yeah, lets go out and try and beat our record and destroy another group of kids 22-0
that will really make everyone stand up and take note of us.If you call this progress
may God help us all...

Well we are top dogs after all :cool:

Its 16 year olds we are taking about btw not 9 or 10 .

[Jofspring]

Yeah, lets go out and try and beat our record and destroy another group of kids 22-0
that will really make everyone stand up and take note of us.If you call this progress
may God help us all...

Who has said beating anyone 22-0 is progress?

People have just said you can't tell lads not to try their hardest or stop entering schoolboy teams to keep a few happy.

Its amazing how the negative threads always get the most replies.

Barely a chat on this about a great performance the other night.

[jaorta]

Well we are top dogs after all :cool:

Its 16 year olds we are taking about btw not 9 or 10 .


So you are saying they are over_age as well,my God what next??

[jaorta]

Who has said beating anyone 22-0 is progress?

People have just said you can't tell lads not to try their hardest or stop entering schoolboy teams to keep a few happy.

Its amazing how the negative threads always get the most replies.

Barely a chat on this about a great performance the other night.



And coming in top with the most replies???yourself with nine.Its amazing all :pright

[sadloserkid]

And coming in top with the most replies???yourself with nine.Its amazing all :pright

To be fair to Jof it's good that somebody has the patience to make counterpoints to the hand-wringing, hysterical drivel that is popping up sporadically in this thread.

It is unfortunate of course that such gulfs in class are evident in the games we're talking about. But none of teams will be playing Limerick every week. If an U16 at any club quits the game because of ONE heavy defeat they're not growing into much of a person anyway. I worry for what will happen to them when real difficulties arise in their life going forward.

It could be an awkward season for everybody in the division (Limerick included) but hopefully by next year it will resolve itself.

[Jofspring]

And coming in top with the most replies???yourself with nine.Its amazing all :pright

I also have loads of replies in many other threads about games and other things. My point is the threads where people can try get a dig at the club are usual the ones that become the most active.

[dutchie]

And coming in top with the most replies???yourself with nine.Its amazing all :pright

Nice one!!!!

[Gerrard1]

This right here is why there is no point in even talking to you about the situation anymore you haven't a clue.

You're in denial. You don't want to talk about the situation anymore because you know what Limerick FC being involved in Limerick schoolboy football is doing to the other schoolboy clubs. Unfortunately nothing will be done about this problem. Now back to supporting Limerick FC (Senior team that is)...

[NeverFeltBetter]

Are you sure? I hear that disliking Limerick FCs youth set-up means you shouldn't support the senior team anymore.

[Edgey]

I'd love to know what happened on the day. Firstly the ref should never have let the game go beyond 10-0. Secondly the opposition teams manager should have called for it to be blown up early and thirdly the limerick manager should have asked for it to be blown up early.

Until we know the facts on what happened on the day I'll reserve judgement.

I know of managers in the past that wouldn't let a game be blown up even when it was their team being hammered. I know of a ref before that wouldn't blow a game early either and I have also heard of managers that were over the team giving the stuffing that refused to allow the game being blown up.

Just a point of information on this one (I'm not getting involved in the rights or wrongs of it), I know the guy who reffed the 21-0 game and he wanted to blow it up early.

[blueblood]

Yeah, lets go out and try and beat our record and destroy another group of kids 22-0
that will really make everyone stand up and take note of us.If you call this progress
may God help us all...

No I'd call that the score... simple.
It's not about slaughtering anyone or trying to beat previous records it's about these youngsters giving 100%, learning and developing and having ambition so what's the big deal?

[NeverFeltBetter]

We're supposed to be "making friends", which we will do by disbanding our youth teams and crippling the clubs future.

[jaorta]

We're supposed to be "making friends", which we will do by disbanding our youth teams and crippling the clubs future.


fair play

[blueblood]

fair play

Oh god!!!

[redron]

In coversation with a fan of another club the other day (he had seen this thread and was wondering what was going on), my memory was jogged on the origins of this whole problem.
If any of you are involved with any of the clubs affected by Limerick FC entering this Under 16 team, I urge you to have a discussion with whoever your club delegate to the LDSL was in 2008/2009/2010 (I can't remember exactly when this was).
By the way, it is part of the UEFA Licencing criteria that clubs competing in the League of Ireland must have a youth development programme.

To the best of my knowledge, Limerick FC originally did not want to enter teams to compete against already established clubs in the Schoolboys' League, but rather wanted to form an alliance/partnership with the LDSL which would have entailed developing and running a 'centre of excellence' type thingy to develop squads for the league representative sides.
A proposal was put to a delegate meeting of the LDSL, and was rejected.

So, in order to fulfil its obligation to build a youth development programme, Limerick FC then applied for membership of the LDSL, which was duly granted (this was probably just a formality, as I don't think the league would have been allowed to exclude the club). I think Limerick FC's first participation in the league was in the small sided games 2010-11.

If anyone can clarify any of the details of the above, I'd be grateful.

On a slight aside, I'm led to believe that at certain times in the past Limerick FC had a reserve side competing in the junior league, as well as under 18 and under 17 teams, also competing in the local leagues.

[Bonovox]

In coversation with a fan of another club the other day (he had seen this thread and was wondering what was going on), my memory was jogged on the origins of this whole problem.
If any of you are involved with any of the clubs affected by Limerick FC entering this Under 16 team, I urge you to have a discussion with whoever your club delegate to the LDSL was in 2008/2009/2010 (I can't remember exactly when this was).
By the way, it is part of the UEFA Licencing criteria that clubs competing in the League of Ireland must have a youth development programme.

To the best of my knowledge, Limerick FC originally did not want to enter teams to compete against already established clubs in the Schoolboys' League, but rather wanted to form an alliance/partnership with the LDSL which would have entailed developing and running a 'centre of excellence' type thingy to develop squads for the league representative sides.
A proposal was put to a delegate meeting of the LDSL, and was rejected.

So, in order to fulfil its obligation to build a youth development programme, Limerick FC then applied for membership of the LDSL, which was duly granted (this was probably just a formality, as I don't think the league would have been allowed to exclude the club). I think Limerick FC's first participation in the league was in the small sided games 2010-11.

If anyone can clarify any of the details of the above, I'd be grateful.

On a slight aside, I'm led to believe that at certain times in the past Limerick FC had a reserve side competing in the junior league, as well as under 18 and under 17 teams, also competing in the local leagues.

redron - you are 100% correct in what you are saying above - the chickens have now come home to roost.

[NeverFeltBetter]

Resurrecting this thread to note that, after breezing through the lower tier, the U-16s started their top tier campaign with an 8-0 win over Fairview Rangers: http://www.limerickfc.ie/u16s-barry-brace-helps-limerick-to-opening-day-win


Limerick FC thank Fairview Rangers for a sporting game which was played in the right spirit and we wish them all the best for the rest of the season!

It's not 21-0 like the first game they played last year, but I hope things get more competitive in that league, for the benefit of all concerned.

[Jofspring]

This years under 16's would be different lads to last year I'd imagine as last years would be now overage.

The same thing is happening in the under 18 league. Our Under 17's finished 5th last year in division two and are now playing in division one at under 18's. They've shipped two very heavy defeats to Fairview and Summerville and look like pulling out. The leagues are still being messed about. It's not only limerick that are handing out beatings in games. Teams need to be asked at the start of the season how strong they reckon they are and then add in their history afterwards.

[sweeper]

It seems that Limerick are keeping well in with the LDMC clubs and are recruiting most of there players from Desmond league teams,i have been told that this u16 team have 9 desmond players and there u15s have 8,great for the city teams but Desmond clubs not so happy.

[Lim till i die]

A share of this years 16s would be last years 15s who finished second to Summerville in the Premier.

As for recruiting players the local rule of being allowed to sign two new players across all interleague squads obviously limits what can be picked up in the LDSL and the national rule of 49km limits what can be picked up further a field.

[donnrua]

It seems that Limerick are keeping well in with the LDMC clubs and are recruiting most of there players from Desmond league teams,i have been told that this u16 team have 9 desmond players and there u15s have 8,great for the city teams but Desmond clubs not so happy.
Maybe most of the talent is out in the county? I've watched plenty of underage games in the city and I've been alarmed at the lack of standout players!

[Jofspring]

The senior team and under 19's has a lot of lads from out the country. Even some of the better city teams have lads they have got from the Desmond league.

[sweeper]

Great for the city teams but its killing the Desmond league and especially my club who last year lost four u14 players to Limerick fc,all well and good if it was for the u19 team but to be taking young players like that and promissing the sun moon and stars,and we are gone from being the best team in that age group to being one of the worst.

[gael353]

So they lost them to the Limerick 15s??? What are they being offered

[dutchie]

Kids are coming home thinking they are playing league of Ireland,they are been offered free gear plus promises of Irish trials etc,if the LDMC have a rule that clubs can only sign two inter league players from all inter league squads why were 8 players brought in to Limerick fc from the desmond Kennedy cup side last year and 7 this year,as sweeper pointed out it is killing clubs out our side and as a passionate Limerick supporter for years and organising busses in to matches i can tell you i wont be putting my bum on any seat in thomond or markets field any time in the near futuren,also asking 11 year old kids to go in is a bit much,if players are good enough to play league of Ireland at u17s,16 is plenty time to go poaching,of the 7 that went in this year there is only 1 in my opinion that might make u17 league of Ireland.

[Jofspring]

If it's a case they are poaching players then the clubs should report Limerick FC for it simple as that. I'm a massive fan myself and although I want whats best for the club I don't want them poaching either, especially kids that young. If they are breaking the rules they will be punished.

From what I was told though every kid with the academy has to pay 250euro to play with Limerick and that covers their gear, training and match fees for the year.

It was great to see representatives of clubs in with their players when they were signing for the under 19's and thats the way it should be.

[Lim till i die]

but to be taking young players like that and promissing the sun moon and stars

What were they promised??

You can't expect anyone to take you serious with that kind of vague stuff.



Kids are coming home thinking they are playing league of Ireland

I know, kids imaginations an all that, but twould take a right good imagination to think you're playing League Of Ireland when you're standing out on the Boros back pitch at half ten on a Saturday morning.


they are been offered free gear

I'd be amazed if this was true.

Have you specific examples??


,if the LDMC have a rule that clubs can only sign two inter league players from all inter league squads why were 8 players brought in to Limerick fc from the desmond Kennedy cup side last year and 7 this year

It's LDSL and it's a local rule within the LDSL.

Desmond League Clubs don't come under the auspices of the LDSL, they come under the auspices of the Desmond League.


i can tell you i wont be putting my bum on any seat in thomond or markets field any time in the near futuren

For me one of the most exciting things about waiting for The Markets Field to open is waiting to see the creativity of the excuses when the thousands don't flock there.


if players are good enough to play league of Ireland at u17s,16 is plenty time to go poaching

Why 16 out of curiosity??

Why not 15? Or 17? Or 13? Is there something about sixteen.

And what's poaching? Are we talking about signing a player in the off season who isn't signed with any club or are we talking about tapping a signed player up and making him force a transfer?

The former goes on everywhere since the dawn of football and will continue to do so.

Even the mighty Limerick FC lost the guts of two teams in the off season. I can't find the thread where people were on complaining about it though


of the 7 that went in this year there is only 1 in my opinion that might make u17 league of Ireland

What do you think will happen the other six?

[sweeper]

The crux of the matter is this,why take players who are well coached by there clubs and inter league management teams,let them play Kenneddy cup and u16s with desmond lge,if they are good enough they will be on the emerging talent programme in ul and where Limerick will prob get most of there players for u17 league of ireland.
Limerick u15s got beat 7-1 by Pike during the week with im told 7 or 8 desmond players on the starting line up,why dont they try and sign a few of these pike boys and a few from the boro.??????
The desmond league u16 league is now very average due to all the influx of players to limerick fc.thats not good for football in the county,players will end up giving up football and taking just doing gaa full time or rugby full time,and thats not good for football in the county as a whole.
Pat o sullivan needs to have a look at it,ldsl needs to have a look at it and the desmond lge committee need to have a look at it.

[gael353]

Sweeper answer lim til i dies questions before rambling on about what you think should be done or making more general sweeping statements. Only thing id be encouraging p o sullivan to do is pull all his sponsorship of the desmond leagues if their are disgruntled parties such as yourself out there

[sweeper]

Sweeper answer lim til i dies questions before rambling on about what you think should be done or making more general sweeping statements. Only thing id be encouraging p o sullivan to do is pull all his sponsorship of the desmond leagues if their are disgruntled parties such as yourself out there

Didn't know he was sponsering them,makes it all the worse,keep the committee sweet with a few jerseys and kill off the league.

[redron]

Didn't know he was sponsering them,makes it all the worse,keep the committee sweet with a few jerseys and kill off the league.

I believe his financial contributions to the Desmond leagues originated long before his involvement with Limerick FC.

[gael353]

Didn't know he was sponsering them,makes it all the worse,keep the committee sweet with a few jerseys and kill off the league.
More rubbish from you and still no replies to any questions from your rubbish aligations. If we're training the same time and night as yee do ill come over and ask you to explain your foot rantings

[jaorta]

I think sweeper is making a good point overall even if some of his points are a bit vague.There is no need for someone to come on and ridicule his statements and insult him so as to score points with his buddies.I think the desmond league need to sort this out themselves and I dont blame Limerick for taking advantage of the rules as they are.The desmond league committee and especially the chairman need to act now and stop talking about it.Pat O Sullivan has more to be doing than getting involved in petty issues like this.These youngsters are not good enough as the u15 result v pike proves anyway so Limerick are wasting time and resources on them and should leave them where they were and then cherrypick the better players when they are older.It should mean something to be asked to play for Limerick but it doesnt when every tom dick n harry is travelling in...to live the dream!!!

[Sandman11]

Taking all points on board, if the kids themselves want to play with Limerick then whats the problem. Not every kid does and if they do then really who is anyone else to try and stop it. Another point to take is possibly given a few years people could be asking the questions if the senior team isnt fielding local talent, and with the path through their younger teams that seems to be the game plan they are putting in place, which really cant be a bad thing.

[hotspur]

They will never get any Pike players.FACT.They should never have been left in in the first place.All the bull about bringing players on to LOI haha.Just left 2 strikers go ffs.

[Jofspring]

They will never get any Pike players.FACT.They should never have been left in in the first place.All the bull about bringing players on to LOI haha.Just left 2 strikers go ffs.

Not sure exactly who you are on about but maybe they are two that Russell thought weren't good enough for LOI maybe?

[hotspur]

Not sure exactly who you are on about but maybe they are two that Russell thought weren't good enough for LOI maybe?

Hanlon and Sheedy.

[Jofspring]

Hanlon and Sheedy.

Hanlons game time has been very very limited so can understand why he's gone and Sheedy has been with the club 5 years now without really making a serious breakthrough into the first team.

[sweeper]

Made a few more enquiries re underage set-up with Limerick fc,it turns out when Limerick turned to sign city players from there clubs there was uproar and objections going into Limerick district schoolboy lge,guess how many city players now play with Limerick u15 schoolboy team----answer is none,how many city players in u16 team----answer is 1,a limerick district team with 1 district based player in two teams combined,its a total disgrace and a sham that they wont go near the city based players but have no problem wiping out some teams in the desmond lge and coaches ringing up and putting pressure on parents for there kids to sign with Limerick f.c.
Fair play to the clubs and Limerick district schoolboy lge putting there foot down,its a pity the desmond lge doesn't put there foot down,they seem happy with a set of jerseys than progressing the lge.
Also e250 membership and no gear with that,someone is taking the mick.

[jaorta]

Ive said it before and ill say it again.The chairman of the desmond league is the person responsible
for this debacle and he should man up and sort it out or resign and let someone else do it.It is easy for the
men from the west to blame everyone else but they need to have a good look at themselves and
put measures into place to stop this pointless influx of mediocre players into Limerick fc.The desmond leagues
performances in recent kennedy cups tells its own story...you cant make a silk purse out of a sows ear.

[donnrua]

They will never get any Pike players.FACT.They should never have been left in in the first place.All the bull about bringing players on to LOI haha.Just left 2 strikers go ffs.
What's your point? Are you saying that Limerick FC shouldn't be allowed to have any underage teams? Because that's the most idiotic thing I've had the misfortune to come across on this site yet and I've come across some utter s***e! Every LOI is required to have an underage set up. Every club across the channel has an underage set up, and how many of them progress to the first-team?
As for Pike Rovers they've turned poaching players into an art-form. They've been doing it for as long as I can remember so don't try and take the moral high ground on that one - kettle, pot, black! If a player wants to leave a club and join another club it's the players choice - end of story on that one!
Just one question - what's the standard of coaching like at clubs when compared to the coaching they will get at Limerick FC? I for one had plenty of training sessions when I was underage, and I can assure you we got nothing that could be classed as coaching - hopefully things have changed but I seriously doubt it!

[da bishop]

while the views of clubs other than limerick fc should be welcomed on this sensitive issue ,given their history Pike rovers are in no position to pontificate on how limerick fc should or should not conduct themselves.

[donnrua]

If I was to pay 250 euro ( like limerick are charging ) for my child to play for any club I would expect top of the range coaching,I think also you will find that all managers/coaches in pike have all done kick start 2 it is a rule within the club that you must do them to become a manager/coach 1 has passed his B badge and 1 has Passed his A badge.also for 30 euro a season.

That 250 euro also covers entry into every Limerick FC game for the season so lets not make out that it costs 250 to play with Limerick and that's all you get from it. Now for the coaching side of things - Kick start 2 covers you to work with 9 -12 year olds and it takes 17 hrs in total to complete, done over 1 weekend. Kick start 1 can be done in 8 hours.
Now you say that 1 person with Pike has an A badge and 1 person has a B badge - how many teams are they training between them? Also, what's the story with medical staff, physios and follow up treatment for their underage teams?

[donnrua]

So what you are saying is that they are charging €250 and you can get into the limerick games a sneaky way to con the kids I would say also no child is aloud get physio and I would say that every club have a medic of some kind that would do at any match..250 but you get into all limericks games cracker...

I don't recall there ever being a medic of any kind at underage games when I played, but then again that was a few years ago now. Maybe someone who had done first aid but that would be it.
So are you saying that if an underage player is injured and needs treatment then they aren't allowed get any physio?

[donnrua]

What's the story with Pike under 16's I mean let's be honest I never heard of a Pike team being beaten 12-0?

[sadloserkid]

It took you over a month to come back but you still haven't answered my question above.

He might be more aware of that if you used an occasional question mark while trolling this thread.

[donnrua]

First things first, you didn't start any sentence with "what if" - those words appeared mid-sentence. A sentence begins after a full-stop! Secondly, I was unaware of there being any question asked. Thirdly, I am not in any way involved with Limerick FC's underage set-up, I was merely insinuating that Limerick would be in a much better position to look after players that may pick up an injury than a junior club would be. I also pointed out the level of coaching that they will get with Limerick would be a hell of a lot better than the level of coaching at junior clubs - being free in to Limerick games is merely an added bonus for those who wish to avail of it!