LOI series 20 & 17 - Premier and First division fixtures. [Archive] - Page 2

jinxy lilywhite

15/07/2013, 12:49 PM

Dodge

15/07/2013, 1:48 PM

according to DFC.com an investigation is taking place of the all aspects of the pats match and act on their findings. http://www.dundalkfc.com/club-statement-2/ Also what doesn't help is gutter journalism that blew the whole incident out of all proportion.

Any examples of gutter journalism about that incident?

Dundalk's investigation hasn't led to them asking a single Pats fan what happened...

EDIT; The FAI's investigation has though

dundalkfc10

15/07/2013, 2:03 PM

Dodge

15/07/2013, 3:42 PM

Jesus you are a spiteful spiteful man, Id imagine Dundalk and the FAI are doing an investigation together.

Not sure you understand what spiteful is.

Dundalk said they're investigating the issue. IF they are, they haven't asked anyone outside their own club what happened.

If Dundalk aren't investigating the issue and leaving it up to the FAI, then fair enough if that's the route they want to go down

DUFC4life

15/07/2013, 4:37 PM

Buttimer's performance was shocking, he got so many decisions wrong for both sides. Still can't understand how he thought the professional foul on Rusk wasn't a red.
At least he maintained his professionalism throughout!! :rolleyes:

Idiot cupped his ear to the Drogheda crowd as he came out to a bit of abuse for the second half. Also mouthed the word "gob****es" to the crowd a few min after the rusk decision when again he was getting a few opinions offered to him.

jinxy lilywhite

15/07/2013, 4:39 PM

Any examples of gutter journalism about that incident?

Dundalk's investigation hasn't led to them asking a single Pats fan what happened...

EDIT; The FAI's investigation has though FYI "http://www.theloiblog.com/NewsStory.aspx?n=503 4th paragraph down and the last two lines. there was not "over 70 seats free" and the sensationalism of elderly & children being present :rolleyes:. I don't want to make light of this, a person was injured and seriously hurt and the full facts of events of what happened should be released and action plans put in place but this happens and can happen all over the country. an unfortunate accident,, it wasn't long ago that a Pats fan fell through one of your stands and could of been seriously injured

White Horse

15/07/2013, 6:00 PM

At least he maintained his professionalism throughout!! :rolleyes:

Idiot cupped his ear to the Drogheda crowd as he came out to a bit of abuse for the second half. Also mouthed the word "gob****es" to the crowd a few min after the rusk decision when again he was getting a few opinions offered to him.

The ref did this!

Disgraceful.

mightaswell

15/07/2013, 6:41 PM

FYI "http://www.theloiblog.com/NewsStory.aspx?n=503 4th paragraph down and the last two lines. there was not "over 70 seats free" and the sensationalism of elderly & children being present :rolleyes:. I don't want to make light of this, a person was injured and seriously hurt and the full facts of events of what happened should be released and action plans put in place but this happens and can happen all over the country. an unfortunate accident,, it wasn't long ago that a Pats fan fell through one of your stands and could of been seriously injured

Isnt that site ran by a kid? Hardly reliable source

dundalkfc10

15/07/2013, 9:17 PM

Not sure you understand what spiteful is.

Dundalk said they're investigating the issue. IF they are, they haven't asked anyone outside their own club what happened.

If Dundalk aren't investigating the issue and leaving it up to the FAI, then fair enough if that's the route they want to go down

You said in your orginial post "Dundalk's investigation hasn't led to them asking a single Pats fan what happened"

How do you know this? Do you know or have you been speaking to every Pats fan personally?

Ezeikial

15/07/2013, 9:32 PM

You said in your orginial post "Dundalk's investigation hasn't led to them asking a single Pats fan what happened"

How do you know this? Do you know or have you been speaking to every Pats fan personally?

Now you are just being silly.

Dodge has a telepathic connection with all Pats fans and has a detailed database of those who have attended matches in Oriel Park. Of course he would know instantly if any Pats fan was asked.

pineapple stu

16/07/2013, 8:40 AM

Just for anyone who missed MNS last night, Sava's brainfart is about 30 seconds in here and well worth watching -

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Question is - red or yellow card?

Dodge

16/07/2013, 9:16 AM

You said in your orginial post "Dundalk's investigation hasn't led to them asking a single Pats fan what happened"

How do you know this? Do you know or have you been speaking to every Pats fan personally?

Come on now, the LOI is tiny. If dundalk were to contact those in attendance, they'd get their details from the club or the supporters club. I know this hasn't happened. Now if they, independently, found out who was in attendance, and got their contact details without going through any of the Pats representatives, then that raises another couple of issues

Are you suggesting that's the case?

White Horse

16/07/2013, 11:14 AM

Come on now, the LOI is tiny. If dundalk were to contact those in attendance, they'd get their details from the club or the supporters club. I know this hasn't happened. Now if they, independently, found out who was in attendance, and got their contact details without going through any of the Pats representatives, then that raises another couple of issues

Are you suggesting that's the case?

Can you not await the outcome of the investigation before criticising Dundalk FC? You are giving the clear impression of pursuing an agenda irrespective of the facts that have yet to be established.

dundalkfc10

16/07/2013, 11:26 AM

Come on now, the LOI is tiny. If dundalk were to contact those in attendance, they'd get their details from the club or the supporters club. I know this hasn't happened. Now if they, independently, found out who was in attendance, and got their contact details without going through any of the Pats representatives, then that raises another couple of issues

Are you suggesting that's the case?

So every fan that was at a game would be known to Pats?

We played in Thomand a few weeks back and had 150-175 there.

I know for a fact that the club wouldnt know half the people that were there

Charlie Darwin

16/07/2013, 11:30 AM

So every fan that was at a game would be known to Pats?

We played in Thomand a few weeks back and had 150-175 there.

I know for a fact that the club wouldnt know half the people that were there
I'd consider it a very unlikely scenario that Dundalk independently tracked down only non-regular travelling Pats fans to question about an incident involving a very active Pats fan who was presumably in the company of mainly other very active travelling Pats fans.

In fact, I'd say it's downright improbable.

Dodge

16/07/2013, 11:31 AM

Can you not await the outcome of the investigation before criticising Dundalk FC? You are giving the clear impression of pursuing an agenda irrespective of the facts that have yet to be established.

I merely stated that their investigation hasn't gone so far as to ask any Pats fans what happened. Maybe the FAI investigtion superceded the Dundalk one and they, essentially, stopped doing thier own investigation (I presume they asked their safety people and stewards for their side almost immediately). To be honest I think that's most likely.

I was reply to this post

according to DFC.com an investigation is taking place of the all aspects of the pats match and act on their findings. http://www.dundalkfc.com/club-statement-2/ Also what doesn't help is gutter journalism that blew the whole incident out of all proportion.

So I was pointing out that the poster's claim that the Dundalk investigation would look into "all aspects" was wrong and I asked for examples of gutter press.

I don't think a post on the LOI blog counts

What I was replying to on here though were these posts

Dodge

16/07/2013, 11:37 AM

So every fan that was at a game would be known to Pats?

We played in Thomand a few weeks back and had 150-175 there.

I know for a fact that the club wouldnt know half the people that were there

So your saying Dundalk asked Pats for names and contact details for supporters who travelled and Pats said "we don't know any of them". Not the supporters club members, not the season ticket holders, not the people who had contacted the club to give their own evidence/story about the incident.

Instead, Dundalk were able to find the names and contact details for Pats fans in the ground at the time, that Pats didn't know, and Dundalk chose to talk to them about the incident rather than the various representatives who Pats could easily have provided details for.

Sounds logical

As above, I think Dundalk's investigation proabably stopped when the FAI got involved. I think some of the cheerleading here from Dundalk fans is hilarious though

Sean South

16/07/2013, 11:44 AM

What was yourman doing when he fell down the stairs? Was it after a goal or something?

mcgonigle

16/07/2013, 11:54 AM

What was yourman doing when he fell down the stairs? Was it after a goal or something?

I'm not sure that has been established. I've heard he was standing on a seat and I've also heard that he tripped over a dividing railing. I've also heard that he was drunk but I can't confirm any of this as I wasn't in the stand after the game. So conflicting reports.

I think this debate has gone as far as it can though, blame lies on all sides here. Dundalk steward for opening the gate, Pats fans for forcing their way into the home section of the stand etc etc.

It was an unfortunate accident and lessons should be learnt, no point continuing to take each others heads off.

Dodge

16/07/2013, 12:02 PM

The problems were LONG before the gate was opened, and tbh, that issue is the smallest of all them.

What was yourman doing when he fell down the stairs? Was it after a goal or something?

He was waiting to leave the ground at full time. Again, the issue isn't that he fell (that happens). It's the (lack of) response from stewards and others that's in question.

Sean South

16/07/2013, 12:18 PM

So it was just a accident then? I thought it was something more sinister. Hopefully Dundalk take measures to make sure it dosen't happen again. As for the poor responce after it happened, well that's not on. All clubs should take note of this and train stewards how to act when such indidents happen. The level of training for stewards is very poor all around the league. ( yes I know they are volunteers etc)

mcgonigle

16/07/2013, 12:29 PM

jinxy lilywhite

16/07/2013, 12:38 PM

As above, I think Dundalk's investigation proabably stopped when the FAI got involved. I think some of the cheerleading here from Dundalk fans is hilarious though
I do not know one Dundalk fan who finds this funny dodge. maybe you do but this incident/accident could of been a lot more serious, so allow an investigation to take place and for the full facts of the events to be established.

White Horse

16/07/2013, 1:32 PM

I do not know one Dundalk fan who finds this funny dodge. maybe you do but this incident/accident could of been a lot more serious, so allow an investigation to take place and for the full facts of the events to be established.

The one constant theme from Dundalk fans is that the circumstances surrounding the serious injury to the fan must be investigated.

No one is Oriel Park finds this funny.

However, the attempt by some Pats fans and gutter bloggers to smear the club and suggest sinister behaviour on behalf of stewards without any evidence is contemptible and opportunistic.

Dodge

16/07/2013, 1:45 PM

Such as?

Listen I've been over this a million times. You can easily find out. jinxy's right, let's leave it until a report is pblished/announced

Charlie Darwin

16/07/2013, 2:17 PM

Have the gutter journalists been downgraded to gutter bloggers? Or is that an upgrade?

Nesta99

17/07/2013, 12:29 PM

The problems were LONG before the gate was opened, and tbh, that issue is the smallest of all them.

He was waiting to leave the ground at full time. Again, the issue isn't that he fell (that happens). It's the (lack of) response from stewards and others that's in question.

Your tweet on the night certainly does not tie with your comment here.... "that he fell (that happens)". The goal posts have been moved then, it is no longer that stewards 'got their way' and that their actions lead to a fans injury it is now that they lack response after the accident. All seems too hazy and kneejerkish.
Lets wait for the outcome of the FAI investigation.

Logic would suggest that Dundalk had an internal investigation and forwarded findings to the FAI who were conducting an investigation accross all parties involved.

I hope Hanno is getting on well with his recovery!!

Nesta99

17/07/2013, 12:38 PM

double post

Nesta99

17/07/2013, 12:40 PM

I'm not sure that has been established. I've heard he was standing on a seat and I've also heard that he tripped over a dividing railing. I've also heard that he was drunk but I can't confirm any of this as I wasn't in the stand after the game. So conflicting reports.

The one i heard is that he fell over laughing when 'We are the Champions' was played!

Dodge

17/07/2013, 1:16 PM

Your tweet on the night certainly does not tie with your comment here.... "that he fell (that happens)". The goal posts have been moved then, it is no longer that stewards 'got their way' and that their actions lead to a fans injury it is now that they lack response after the accident. All seems too hazy and kneejerkish.

Well if you read my tweets that night I was commenting before the game that stewards were awful, I made another comment at half time. The "they got their wish" tweet was clearly not literal FFS. However I absolutely stand by the gist of my comments (that is to say that the awful Dundalk stewarding would lead to problems sooner or later).

Nesta99

17/07/2013, 3:11 PM

Ok so would you like to clarify exactly what your issues were on the night? Your own personl experience and examples, from before the game and on, not in ragarding to the accident or overcrowding which we all have now a fair idea how these may have come about.

Dodge

17/07/2013, 4:32 PM

No, as I said yesterday, I'm trying to leave it now. We'll see what FAI/clubs say

Nesta99

17/07/2013, 5:02 PM

Dodge

18/07/2013, 9:06 AM

Fair enough! Though what is being investigated is what happend with the injured and how terrace fans were allowed into the stand. What happend before the game and throughout remains a mystery, But your silence speaks volumes!

All aspects of the night are being investigated (as per Pats security team). You've read my tweets apparently. I haven't been silent on this. What I'm doing now is refusing to re-hash it

outspoken

21/07/2013, 3:04 PM

I merely stated that their investigation hasn't gone so far as to ask any Pats fans what happened. Maybe the FAI investigtion superceded the Dundalk one and they, essentially, stopped doing thier own investigation (I presume they asked their safety people and stewards for their side almost immediately). To be honest I think that's most likely.

I was reply to this post

So I was pointing out that the poster's claim that the Dundalk investigation would look into "all aspects" was wrong and I asked for examples of gutter press.

I don't think a post on the LOI blog counts

What I was replying to on here though were these posts

Don't know where your coming from considering THE LOI BLOG didn't write a single article regarding the incident, all we did was send the fan in question a get well soon message.

Ezeikial

21/07/2013, 5:22 PM

Don't know where your coming from considering THE LOI BLOG didn't write a single article regarding the incident, all we did was send the fan in question a get well soon message.

http://www.theloiblog.com/NewsStory.aspx?n=503

Charlie Darwin

21/07/2013, 5:24 PM

Don't know where your coming from considering THE LOI BLOG didn't write a single article regarding the incident, all we did was send the fan in question a get well soon message.
Why do you shout THE LOI BLOG like that? I hope you do this in person too.

outspoken

21/07/2013, 5:59 PM

http://www.theloiblog.com/NewsStory.aspx?n=503

I'd hardly call someone that was at the game and in the stand describing what they heard and saw as gutter journalism but each to their own I suppose.

Ezeikial

21/07/2013, 7:38 PM

I'd hardly call someone that was at the game and in the stand describing what they heard and saw as gutter journalism but each to their own I suppose.

I didn't.

But now that you raise it, I would not describe what John Doyle wrote as journalism.

I posted the link in response to your earlier post which was equally inaccurate:

Don't know where your coming from considering THE LOI BLOG didn't write a single article regarding the incident, all we did was send the fan in question a get well soon message.

adamd164

21/07/2013, 10:25 PM

Christ that LOI blog is horrifically designed. Not having a cut off them, fair play for the effort, but if it was easier to navigate and looked a bit nicer they'd get far more hits.

ATFC-1887

21/07/2013, 11:29 PM

Yeh the website is shocking bad. Fair play to them and all, but its a terrible layout. along with them stealing other peoples work too.

outspoken

22/07/2013, 10:05 AM

Christ that LOI blog is horrifically designed. Not having a cut off them, fair play for the effort, but if it was easier to navigate and looked a bit nicer they'd get far more hits.

Thanks for the feedback, nothing wrong with some fair criticism. We are currently working on a new website and have a number of web designers helping us out.

Dodge

22/07/2013, 11:55 AM

Don't know where your coming from considering THE LOI BLOG didn't write a single article regarding the incident, all we did was send the fan in question a get well soon message.

Ezekial has cleared it up.

Just on this, does that mean contributors are free to post what they like or do you or someone else hold editorial control?

For the record, I wasn't the person who brought up the LOI blog as "gutter" journalism. I asked for examples and that's what the OP provided

outspoken

22/07/2013, 12:20 PM

Ezekial has cleared it up.

Just on this, does that mean contributors are free to post what they like or do you or someone else hold editorial control?

For the record, I wasn't the person who brought up the LOI blog as "gutter" journalism. I asked for examples and that's what the OP provided

No we recently got an editor on board.

nigel-harps1954

22/07/2013, 3:15 PM

Yeh the website is shocking bad. Fair play to them and all, but its a terrible layout. along with them stealing other peoples work too.

That's a brave allegation to make.

dejadem

22/07/2013, 4:01 PM

That's a brave allegation to make.

They acknowledged it themselves a while back on their Facebook profile.

bluewhitearmy

22/07/2013, 4:25 PM

That's a brave allegation to make.

I know one reporter from Extratime that put mistakes in his report on purpose to see were they just copy and pasting it exact same mistakes then showed up in LOI Blogs report. They have said they have stopped doing it now.

outspoken

22/07/2013, 4:38 PM

Not going to lie mistakes were made when we started out 3 years ago but if you look at every article on the current website it's all original writing bare press releases etc. Whether you love us or hate us we do cover a lot of transfers/news that other sites sometimes don't. There is a market out there for LOI sites that needs to be filled.