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MariborKev
04/06/2013, 2:49 PM
Surprised that there hasn't been a thread on this already.
Celtic are going to play Liverpool at the Aviva on the 10th of August.
However it appears as if the game is being organised by the FAI, persumably to generate revenues(or to take the dirty look off it, it is part of "The Gathering". I originally thought it might be a case of a third party hiring the venue and directly contracting the teams, but it appears not.
Jofspring
04/06/2013, 2:55 PM
The "Dublin Decider". I look forward to the advertising. Who will win this huge game between a Scottish team and an English team in the biggest friendly of all time. Who will take the pot, who will be the winners of nothing, Exciting times a head.
MariborKev
04/06/2013, 3:08 PM
Will Delaney have a red tie and a green tie to throw into the crowd(s)? Who will he call the best fans in the world? So many questions.....
From the Celtic site in case you were wondering who orgainsed it
http://www.celticfc.net/newsstory?item=4120
Speaking today, Minister of State for Tourism and Sport Michael Ring said: "This is going to be a fantastic Gathering event, and I´m excited about it already.
"It´s not every day that you can welcome two famous clubs from overseas with such strong Irish connections. I want to thank the FAI and both clubs for organising this game, and I look forward to greeting the fans when they come to Ireland."
League fixtures that weekend
Friday 9th
Rovers v Pats (a real Dublin decider)
Cork v Bohs
Drogs v Limerick
UCD v Derry
Shels v Dundalk
Saturday 10th (day of game)
Sligo v Bray
The 3rd Qualifying round of the Europa League finishes on August 8th so some of those games might be shifted.
In principle I have no objection to the FAI milking fans of Liverpool and Celtic for a few quid. The sooner the stadium debt is cleared the better for Irish football.
But let's see how this pans out.
ArdeeBhoy
04/06/2013, 3:18 PM
Exactly. No Tims or Scousers are going to regard this as any more than yet another pointless friendly. Which the FAI seem to be champions at.
And if it gives the FAI (& domestic clubs) some €, plus the local economy, where's the harm?
Jofspring
04/06/2013, 3:19 PM
Ah surely your mistaken dodge. Friendlies can't be organised the same weekend as league of Ireland fixtures. Well that's what Barcelona were told anyway.
MariborKev
04/06/2013, 3:21 PM
AB,
What do you think the advertising/promotion spend on this game by the FAI will be, compared to the budget for League promotion?
Charlie Darwin
04/06/2013, 3:21 PM
The "Dublin Decider". I look forward to the advertising. Who will win this huge game between a Scottish team and an English team in the biggest friendly of all time. Who will take the pot, who will be the winners of nothing, Exciting times a head.
Now now, Jofspring. Those are Irish clubs, they're just based abroad. Sure everybody loves us.
Cuyahoga
04/06/2013, 3:38 PM
Speaking today, Minister of State for Tourism and Sport Michael Ring said:
"It´s not every day that you can welcome two famous clubs from overseas with such strong Irish connections. I want to thank the FAI and both clubs for organising this game, and I look forward to greeting the fans when they come to Ireland."
Celtic have strong Irish connections- founded by an irishman for the irish community in Glasgow but I dont see what Irish connections Liverpool have.
ArdeeBhoy
04/06/2013, 3:39 PM
AB,
What do you think the advertising/promotion spend on this game by the FAI will be, compared to the budget for League promotion?
Undoubtedly too much. But their fans seem to have more spending power. And money talks sadly.
MariborKev
04/06/2013, 3:44 PM
That would be right. Because a one off friendly has undoubtedly greater economic impact that a sustainable, vibrant domestic league.
#FAInomics
ArdeeBhoy
04/06/2013, 3:48 PM
But the reasons for that aren't just down to the FAI as we all know equally well...
No matter how much we might wish it.
On the non sanction for Limerick v Barca in 2010
http://www.rte.ie/sport/soccer/international/2010/0517/265242-limerick/
that the proposed date (31 July) is not compatible with the Airtricity League fixture timetable.
But the reasons for that aren't just down to the FAI as we all know equally well...
No matter how much we might wish it.
You continually say things like this. No one, ever, has suggested the FAI is the sole reason for failings of Irish football.
They are, however, the governing body so must accept their share of the blame
ArdeeBhoy
04/06/2013, 4:15 PM
Ditto...
As good a place as any to put this: http://www.rte.ie/sport/soccer/irish/2013/0604/454450-alan-cawleys-airtricity-league-blog/
I've written similar things in the past- basically the FAI misses some cheap and easy chances to promote the LOI. It's little wonder that people don't always see the connection between the national team and the league when apparently the FAI don't always do so either.
A Celtic-Liverpool game would be a great place to promote the LOI. These people already like the game- maybe some can be convinced to come along to a few games with some clever marketing. Tap into the GAA style parochial mentality that Irish people have but seem to keep separate from football most of the time. Hell, give out a few discount vouchers for the LOI at it. Maybe it won't work, but at least give it a go.
Acornvilla
04/06/2013, 5:35 PM
Friend of mine text me about 20 minutes ago asking me to go to it. I'd say the last time he watched Longford play was the Cup Final V cork, die hard football and Liverpool fan of course. I said maybe, its turning into a no now because I think I'll just hate myself for it, much better stuff I could spend money on or matches I could attend..
avvenalaf
04/06/2013, 6:27 PM
It's called the Dublin Decider because it will decide whether the FAI will go into receivership or not.
ArdeeBhoy
04/06/2013, 6:47 PM
Really?
placid casual
04/06/2013, 7:46 PM
Here's an idea- shoot me down if need be.
what about a LOI fans "protest" outside the ground, with everyone wearing their respective colours and holding banners saying "No to foreign games", just like that famous picture of the sellthick spanner outside croke park a few years ago...
nigel-harps1954
04/06/2013, 8:44 PM
Here's an idea- shoot me down if need be.
what about a LOI fans "protest" outside the ground, with everyone wearing their respective colours and holding banners saying "No to foreign games", just like that famous picture of the sellthick spanner outside croke park a few years ago...
For the laugh..yeah.
If it was in any way serious. No.
Anyone got this guys number, he is good at protests
http://i930.photobucket.com/albums/ad150/edlavfc/NotoForeignGamesRSFstyle.jpg
Bawnville Hoop
04/06/2013, 10:56 PM
Can we just have 10 attend and put up a 'Does your telly know you're here' banner.
Park_Lane
04/06/2013, 11:20 PM
The first Barstool cup, brilliant😴
Sean South
05/06/2013, 8:32 AM
Don't really see the problem with it myself if it wasn't this game it would be something else. The majority of people who will go to this will most likely never bother with Irish clubs. It's just an event for these people no different from a big rugby game, GAA game, concert, etc. Everyone who supports a club here knows the FAI don't really care about the league so will never promote it. Its up to clubs and fans here to promote our own clubs and stop worrying about the FAI and barstoolers because these event junkies aren't ever going to bother with going down to their local club on a Friday or Saturday night.
Don't really see the problem with it myself if it wasn't this game it would be something else. The majority of people who will go to this will most likely never bother with Irish clubs. It's just an event for these people no different from a big rugby game, GAA game, concert, etc. Everyone who supports a club here knows the FAI don't really care about the league so will never promote it. Its up to clubs and fans here to promote our own clubs and stop worrying about the FAI and barstoolers because these event junkies aren't ever going to bother with going down to their local club on a Friday or Saturday night.
I've no real issue with the game, it's the sucking off of Celtic and Liverpool by the FAI, government and media that irks me
Charlie Darwin
05/06/2013, 9:52 AM
Friend of mine text me about 20 minutes ago asking me to go to it. I'd say the last time he watched Longford play was the Cup Final V cork, die hard football and Liverpool fan of course. I said maybe, its turning into a no now because I think I'll just hate myself for it, much better stuff I could spend money on or matches I could attend..
Huh? It's the Dublin Decider, why would a Longford person think they're welcome? The only true diehard Liverpool fans are from Dublin, that's why they play all their big matches here.
Sean South
05/06/2013, 4:42 PM
I've no real issue with the game, it's the sucking off of Celtic and Liverpool by the FAI, government and media that irks me
But did you expect any thing different?
legendz
05/06/2013, 6:56 PM
The "Dublin Decider". I look forward to the advertising. Who will win this huge game between a Scottish team and an English team in the biggest friendly of all time. Who will take the pot, who will be the winners of nothing, Exciting times a head.
It's a huge game, two of the biggest teams in Ireland!!! ;)
legendz
05/06/2013, 7:06 PM
As good a place as any to put this: http://www.rte.ie/sport/soccer/irish/2013/0604/454450-alan-cawleys-airtricity-league-blog/
I've written similar things in the past- basically the FAI misses some cheap and easy chances to promote the LOI. It's little wonder that people don't always see the connection between the national team and the league when apparently the FAI don't always do so either.
A Celtic-Liverpool game would be a great place to promote the LOI. These people already like the game- maybe some can be convinced to come along to a few games with some clever marketing. Tap into the GAA style parochial mentality that Irish people have but seem to keep separate from football most of the time. Hell, give out a few discount vouchers for the LOI at it. Maybe it won't work, but at least give it a go.
Superb article, exactly what I've been calling for as well. It's an absolute no-brainer, it really does say a lot about how inept the FAI are.
The League of Ireland is providing nearly half the Irish squad without any assistance at all. If the FAI were to even make a few easy efforts for the league, it could help get more talent through our league. Secondly, surely it should be in the FAI's interest to have a culture of people actually going to live games. If attendances increase at LoI games and people see the clear link between former LoI player working there way into the national side, it surely should have a positive spin off for better attendances at international matches.
I agree with other comments about the FAI in some ways being right to milk money from the game and clear of the debt as soon as possible.
What were people's opinions of having the Junior Cup final played before the friendly on Sunday?
Just throwing this out here now, should the FAI host the League Cup final in the Aviva on the same day? Now it's probably too soon for this year but in future woudl it be an idea to stage the league cup final before hand?
gormacha
05/06/2013, 8:54 PM
I've no real issue with the game, it's the sucking off of Celtic and Liverpool by the FAI, government and media that irks me
Yeah, that bothers me too, especially as the broader context here is the match's positioning within "The Gathering" nonsense. More bread and circuses to entertain the masses whilst Fine Gael and Labour gut the state.
BonnieShels
06/06/2013, 11:25 AM
Can we just have 10 attend and put up a 'Does your telly know you're here' banner.
Brilliant. POTM.
I've no real issue with the game, it's the sucking off of Celtic and Liverpool by the FAI, government and media that irks me
This is the main issue with it all.
peadar1987
11/06/2013, 12:34 PM
Just throwing this out here now, should the FAI host the League Cup final in the Aviva on the same day? Now it's probably too soon for this year but in future woudl it be an idea to stage the league cup final before hand?
Hmm... I would have though that League Cup final tickets would be cheaper than barstool milking tickets, so either the FAI would have to price out LOI regulars, or give up a lot of barstool revenue. It would be good for publicity, but perhaps also cheapen the LOI by having them so ostensibly playing the part of an undercard for the "main event", which is a meaningless friendly.
Yeah, that bothers me too, especially as the broader context here is the match's positioning within "The Gathering" nonsense. More bread and circuses to entertain the masses whilst Fine Gael and Labour gut the state.
The truly sad thing is that the supporters of the UK clubs who are actually from Liverpool, Manchester, London, etc. generally look down their noses at foreign barstoolers. At best they see them as a little pathetic and tragic for desperately trying to tag themselves onto success (and appreciate the lovely bags of money they pump in), at worst they actively hate them for pushing up ticket prices and being at least partially at fault for the current commercialisation of football.
Celtic are slightly different, in that even the Glasgow-based supporters acknowledge a strong Irish connection, but Liverpool? They couldn't care less about plastic fans who think that still tuning in to MOTD when the Reds are in 6th place counts as "sticking with 'pool through the tough times".
oldfan
12/06/2013, 3:06 PM
It's called the Dublin Decider because it will decide whether the FAI will go into receivership or not.
I thought it was to decide which of them is the most Oirish club
adamd164
13/06/2013, 9:54 AM
Sweet Jesus, the poster for it.
https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/1011324_10151424378732271_1181775562_n.jpg
osarusan
13/06/2013, 9:57 AM
WTF? I thought 'The Dublin Decider' was a pi$$take name for it on foot.ie until I saw that.
adamd164
13/06/2013, 10:04 AM
It might be an idea to put together a carefully-worded petition and send it to the wider LOI community, opposing the principle of organising such games on home soil. Might be more effective than inidividual emails. If I can still be arsed this evening I'll look into it.
fionnsci
13/06/2013, 10:11 AM
"In association with the Daily Mail"
God it just keeps getting worse....
adamd164
13/06/2013, 11:05 AM
Vomit
https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/1017212_539414249454402_2020945559_n.jpg
Jofspring
13/06/2013, 11:49 AM
I hope it finishes 0-0.
bluemovie
13/06/2013, 11:49 AM
I shall be infiltrating this event in the capacity of a mole (bring on the hate!). Were it not for the fact that I've to bring my nephew, I'd seriously consider a suicide bomb :D
nigel-harps1954
13/06/2013, 12:09 PM
It might be an idea to put together a carefully-worded petition and send it to the wider LOI community, opposing the principle of organising such games on home soil. Might be more effective than inidividual emails. If I can still be arsed this evening I'll look into it.
I actually really like this idea.
pineapple stu
13/06/2013, 12:28 PM
Ah, a petition. That's worked before.
Oh, no, wait.
And what's the "wider LoI community"?
I think the plan is too vague to have any real meaning, unfortunately.
avvenalaf
13/06/2013, 12:42 PM
Ah, a petition. That's worked before.
Oh, no, wait.
And what's the "wider LoI community"?
I think the plan is too vague to have any real meaning, unfortunately.
Pat Dolan?
adamd164
13/06/2013, 1:10 PM
Hah!
On a serious note, I just meant relaying it on individual club fora, facebook, that sort of thing. Beyond foot.ie basically.
BonnieShels
13/06/2013, 3:45 PM
At least they both have Irish managers I suppose...
BonnieShels
13/06/2013, 3:46 PM
Hah!
On a serious note, I just meant relaying it on individual club fora, facebook, that sort of thing. Beyond foot.ie basically.
And where would that be? :)
Protesting a friendly?! Are you off your rocker lads? Let them have a day out. 99% of them saps won't come near a LOI game and the 1% aren't going to be convinced by a an internet led protest
Trainee
13/06/2013, 4:31 PM
Sad day when tickets offically go on sale tomorrow and game is close to a sell out.
Also tickets on sale on Done deal already
http://www.donedeal.ie/find/all/for-sale/Ireland/liverpool%20v%20celtic
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