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ArdeeBhoy
12/03/2013, 8:51 PM
I wouldn't say there's saturation of coverage, just will people listen to the FAI. As I say, I think clubs are best placed themselves to promotes their games within their area and in the local press. Limerick got a good reaction on Sunday to the press they've received.
Sorry, Legendz. Meant saturation of coverage of soccer generally, as in people rightly or wrongly have their heads turned by games on Tv or online, never mind a team which may or may not be convenient to go and watch.
Sorry, Legendz. Meant saturation of coverage of soccer generally, as in people rightly or wrongly have their heads turned by games on Tv or online, never mind a team which may or may not be convenient to go and watch.
Still digging?
ArdeeBhoy
12/03/2013, 9:35 PM
What are you on about?
bullit
12/03/2013, 10:55 PM
MNS is no longer available on The RTé player outside of ROI.Another great move by the FAI.
To people asking about this issue of where MNS and matches are available, we would like to be in a position to make Airtricity League matches available to as wide a range of viewers as possible, but have to restrict games and MNS to the Republic of Ireland only due to broadcast rights agreements with the FAI.
It is outside of our control unfortunately.
If we were to show the games outside of the Republic of Ireland it would be a serious breach of the broadcast rights agreement between RTÉ, the FAI and other broadcasters.
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Charlie Darwin
12/03/2013, 11:01 PM
I assume it's because RTE sells its feed to Setanta's stations in the UK and Australia, etc. Geo-limiting the signal is an expensive process so I can see why they'd take this action rather than risk action from other broadcasters. Still, it's the consumer who loses. Hopefully RTE will take a relaxed approach towards Youtube uploaders.
bullit
13/03/2013, 1:30 AM
It's a bad decision imo considering that one of the participating teams in the LOI reside outside of the ROI and are in the LOI and a lot of people(me included,Dundalk,Harps,Derry fans) live just outside of ROI with UK ip connections.I use proxy sites to overcome this but not everyone is so internet savvy.
They should at least put an "Island of Ireland" limit on the block.Also if anyone has a Youtube upload for Mondays programme can you's put a link for it here please? Cheers.
Charlie Darwin
13/03/2013, 1:39 AM
It is a ****-up, I'll give you that. The unfortunate situation is that the LOI's appeal outside of Ireland is exclusively from satellite channels and they're going to protect their investment by ensuring RTE's web streams are limited to Ireland. I wouldn't rule out the possibility that the FAI are just being way too cautious and limiting streams that don't need to be streamed though. Like you said, it sucks for non-web-savvy people.
White Horse
13/03/2013, 7:20 AM
Well done FAI. Lads forced to emigrate and then deny them access to five minutes of coverage of their club per week.
Then there are the LOI fans from NI supporting LOI clubs. Derry is the big one, but Dundalk have fans in south Armagh too.
He made a fair point. Easy to take it out of context if you want to. For more new fans, I wouldn't look to the FAI.
Why not? Why not look to every available resource? If the FAI aren't bothered, then what impression does that give others? Do you think Airtricity or other potential sponsors would appreciate the extra exposure? Can you possible tell me one downside of the FAI tweeting LOI info?
MariborKev
13/03/2013, 11:32 AM
I assume it's because RTE sells its feed to Setanta's stations in the UK and Australia, etc. Geo-limiting the signal is an expensive process so I can see why they'd take this action rather than risk action from other broadcasters. Still, it's the consumer who loses. Hopefully RTE will take a relaxed approach towards Youtube uploaders.
Charlie,
At least you raise some logic to the decision, but I think it is a topic that needs raised, and discussed further.
Are Setanta purchasing/showing MNS in other territories. Given that we have never heard anyone talking about it, then I would highly doubt it.
If MNS/Live games are not being shown outside the island of Ireland and there are no foreign TV rights deals being impinged upon, then where are the issues with the broadcast of these games?
I can understand if international rights are being shown via MNS and therefore this in direct competition with other broadcasters but the simple answer would be to remove all elements of this from the broadcast and therefore it could surely be broadcast.
nigel-harps1954
13/03/2013, 11:41 AM
It's a bad decision imo considering that one of the participating teams in the LOI reside outside of the ROI and are in the LOI and a lot of people(me included,Dundalk,Harps,Derry fans) live just outside of ROI with UK ip connections.I use proxy sites to overcome this but not everyone is so internet savvy.
They should at least put an "Island of Ireland" limit on the block.Also if anyone has a Youtube upload for Mondays programme can you's put a link for it here please? Cheers.
Nope. Don't know what kind of backward interwebs you have in Dundalk, but it works fine here.
peadar1987
13/03/2013, 11:48 AM
Why not? Why not look to every available resource? If the FAI aren't bothered, then what impression does that give others? Do you think Airtricity or other potential sponsors would appreciate the extra exposure? Can you possible tell me one downside of the FAI tweeting LOI info?
A few people seem to be saying that because the clubs aren't doing as much as they could, the FAI shouldn't have to do anything. That's just daft. If everybody waited until every other possible party was doing as much as they humanly could before lifting a finger, nothing would ever get done. The push needs to come from both sides. The clubs have to help themselves, sure, but the FAI need to do whatever they can to help facilitate that as well. And national promotion of the league would certainly both achieve that, and fall outside the remit of any one club.
That said, I agree with Legendz on one point, it should be something the clubs themselves lobby for, and in this respect, I'm not sure the clubs are doing as much as they can. Maybe that's something that we as the fans can bring to the clubs' attention.
BonnieShels
13/03/2013, 11:57 AM
Nope. Don't know what kind of backward interwebs you have in Dundalk, but it works fine here.
Maybe he lives in Jonesboro up the sliproad.
http://goo.gl/maps/4SWnE
osarusan
13/03/2013, 12:55 PM
He made a fair point. Easy to take it out of context if you want to. For more new fans, I wouldn't look to the FAI.
He didn't make a fair point. It wasn't taken out of context. For more new fans, clubs should be doing everything they reasonably can to attract fans. And clubs should expect no less than the same from the FAI. Clubs should expect this even if their own efforts have been limited.
A face
13/03/2013, 1:16 PM
He didn't make a fair point. It wasn't taken out of context. For more new fans, clubs should be doing everything they reasonably can to attract fans. And clubs should expect no less than the same from the FAI. Clubs should expect this even if their own efforts have been limited.
I have to agree with this. I think its agreed that clubs need to be doing their own bit and for the clubs that aren't or expect it to be done for them then its probably down to people at the club and/or fans to get these people out of the dark ages or out of the position where they are able to make that decision.
That said, the FAI as administrators of the league definitely, and that without any doubt, need to be marketing the league as a product. I'd like to say that they should be doing everything within their power but (c'mon, its the FAI we're talking about here) that's unlikely but there is no way they could pass the buck here. Its slap bang centre of their remit and i dont think any stakeholder in Irish football should be thinking otherwise.
Its a basketcase of an organisation, i hear ya, but that changes nothing ..... they run the league and marketing is a huge part of that.
A face
13/03/2013, 1:43 PM
http://www.independent.ie/sport/soccer/league-of-ireland/less-spin-and-more-change-required-to-keep-league-afloat-29120515.html
legendz
13/03/2013, 4:15 PM
http://www.independent.ie/sport/soccer/league-of-ireland/less-spin-and-more-change-required-to-keep-league-afloat-29120515.html
The only suggestion he makes in the article is: Something radical, perhaps, like a long-term strategic plan for the League. How about that for a starting point?
It's a vague suggestion though without any substance.
The near demise of Derry was down to their dual contracts. Both Cork and Derry were facilitated being put straight into the First Division and the FAI made if clear they wanted League of Ireland in both cities.
bullit
13/03/2013, 4:28 PM
Nope. Don't know what kind of backward interwebs you have in Dundalk, but it works fine here.
I live in County Armagh.I,m sure not all Harps supporters live south of the border.Insted of responding like a spam bot read the point being made properly ;)
BonnieShels
13/03/2013, 5:19 PM
I live in County Armagh.I,m sure not all Harps supporters live south of the border.Insted of responding like a spam bot read the point being made properly ;)
So you don't live in Jonesboro... Right...
MeathDrog
13/03/2013, 6:09 PM
The MLS is a joke league with a few washed up Europeans (bar Robbie Keane) .
Why is Robbie Keane excluded from that phrase.
nigel-harps1954
13/03/2013, 10:16 PM
I live in County Armagh.I,m sure not all Harps supporters live south of the border.Insted of responding like a spam bot read the point being made properly ;)
Nonsense.
BonnieShels
13/03/2013, 10:28 PM
I live in County Armagh.I,m sure not all Harps supporters live south of the border.Insted of responding like a spam bot read the point being made properly ;)
In fairness... a lot of them might live east of the border. :)
nigel-harps1954
13/03/2013, 11:39 PM
In fairness... a lot of them might live east of the border. :)
Depends what side of the border you're on.
BonnieShels
14/03/2013, 9:30 AM
Depends what side of the border you're on.
Ah jaysus Nige!
oriel
15/03/2013, 10:26 PM
I live in County Armagh.I,m sure not all Harps supporters live south of the border.Insted of responding like a spam bot read the point being made properly ;)
Yep real pain in hole this blocking, and agree, RTE should have allowed access to the whole Island, I live 5k over the border in S Armagh and noticed this was blocked from this season. Suppose we dont pay RTE licence, but I did for years and years.
Bullit..............pints on Good Friday ???? :cool:
Finlay Harp
17/03/2013, 3:53 PM
In fairness... a lot of them might live east of the border. :)
Technically that would be me on the County Down coast:p
BonnieShels
18/03/2013, 2:41 PM
Technically that would be me on the County Down coast:p
True... But I was more thinking of Strabane Harps fans. :)
mypost
19/03/2013, 5:41 PM
I have to agree with this. I think its agreed that clubs need to be doing their own bit and for the clubs that aren't or expect it to be done for them then its probably down to people at the club and/or fans to get these people out of the dark ages or out of the position where they are able to make that decision.
That said, the FAI as administrators of the league definitely, and that without any doubt, need to be marketing the league as a product. I'd like to say that they should be doing everything within their power but (c'mon, its the FAI we're talking about here) that's unlikely but there is no way they could pass the buck here. Its slap bang centre of their remit and i dont think any stakeholder in Irish football should be thinking otherwise.
Its a basketcase of an organisation, i hear ya, but that changes nothing ..... they run the league and marketing is a huge part of that.
FA's don't market leagues. They get broadcasters to do it for them. Sky market the EPL every few minutes. RTE market the LOI every few weeks.
Clubs should market themselves more, but they're just happy to afford next month's wages. The good news story recently wasn't that the league was starting, but that they turned a profit from last year's season.
Why is Robbie Keane excluded from that phrase.
Because Robbie Keane is Ireland's record goalscorer, and delivers at every level of the game, for club and country.
peadar1987
19/03/2013, 5:47 PM
FA's don't market leagues. They get broadcasters to do it for them. Sky market the EPL every few minutes. RTE market the LOI every few weeks.
Clubs should market themselves more, but they're just happy to afford next month's wages. The good news story recently wasn't that the league was starting, but that they turned a profit from last year's season.
Maybe we shouldn't just ape the EPL. It's pretty obvious the LOI is a completely different product.
FA's don't market leagues.
Yes they do. The ENglish FA mightn't because it at this stage it sells itself. Every where else does.
A face
20/03/2013, 1:40 PM
FA's don't market leagues.
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Réiteoir
21/03/2013, 11:51 AM
Nx_-R5UJlRQ
The NFF (Norwegian Football Federation) paid for the making of this - which is played before each Tippeligaen game - as well as using it for the theme to the nightly National Highlights programme (Fotballkveld / Football Night)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5GL7F9639CM
A face
21/03/2013, 1:22 PM
The NFF (Norwegian Football Federation) paid for the making of this - which is played before each Tippeligaen game - as well as using it for the theme to the nightly National Highlights programme (Fotballkveld / Football Night)
Just looking at that clip and it has to be said she's it's very very tasty indeed !!!!
ger121
21/03/2013, 1:42 PM
Just looking at that clip and it has to be said she's it's very very tasty indeed !!!!
Certainly increased my interest in erm... Norwegian Football
SkStu
21/03/2013, 10:21 PM
If the FAI just did a 2 min LOI version of the promo they (or rte) did after the 2002 WC to a-Houses "here come the good times" song and played it regularly between 11pm and 6am like they did for the wc2002 one, that would go a long way. I reckon it would attract new fans and lapsed fans (back) to the league. It would be cheap, easy and effective.
Charlie Darwin
21/03/2013, 10:31 PM
It would only be cheap with RTE's co-operation, and we've already established RTE don't give a damn.
adamd164
24/03/2013, 11:02 AM
Lads, close the thread, I've realised why the FAI haven't been promoting the league online. They were busy organising a friendly between Liverpool and Celtic for next summer in the Aviva. According to the Sunday Times, they've been in negotiations about the appearance fees for both clubs for some time.
When do the English FA have their Mervue vs Limavaddy friendly penciled in for Wembley again?
peadar1987
24/03/2013, 11:09 AM
Lads, close the thread, I've realised why the FAI haven't been promoting the league online. They were busy organising a friendly between Liverpool and Celtic for next summer in the Aviva. According to the Sunday Times, they've been in negotiations about the appearance fees for both clubs for some time.
When do the English FA have their Mervue vs Limavaddy friendly penciled in for Wembley again?
I'm torn over this one to be honest. This will make a tonne of money for Irish football, and as far as I'm concerned, barstoolers are a fair target for a fleecing. On the other hand, yeah, promote your own league, guys!!
nigel-harps1954
24/03/2013, 1:58 PM
Don't care how much money it makes them when absolutely none of it will be seen in our own league. It's disgraceful stuff. Utterly sickening.
Charlie Darwin
24/03/2013, 2:09 PM
Remind me to be out of the country that day.
Christ almighty.
In fairness, with the right WMD it's an opportunity to rid Ireland of approximately 50% of its scumknackery...
http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m9gqq8KRbw1r2xls3o1_1280.jpg
marinobohs
25/03/2013, 12:17 PM
I'm torn over this one to be honest. This will make a tonne of money for Irish football, and as far as I'm concerned, barstoolers are a fair target for a fleecing. On the other hand, yeah, promote your own league, guys!!
Both clubs will get a huge fee and enhance their 'Brand', scarves/hat/badge sellers will fly in from Liverpool/ Glasgow for a big payday and the pubs and (especially) offies all around Dublin 4 will make out like bandits. Delaney et al will get to rub shoulders with "real" football people and another bunch of day trippers will get to see the Aviva.
And there will be no benifit whatsoever to Irish football. Low lie the fields.............:mad:
danthesaint
25/03/2013, 1:15 PM
I'm torn over this one to be honest. This will make a tonne of money for Irish football, and as far as I'm concerned, barstoolers are a fair target for a fleecing. On the other hand, yeah, promote your own league, guys!!
I hope this was sarcasm? How much of the money do you really think will go into irish football?
From the Man Ure friendly (first game in the aviva) then the 2 aviva tournaments, I doubt any of the money went back into the game, reckon it went to JD plan of getting the FAI debt free by 2020.
The FAI paying off its debts is good for Irish football. Once they get to that point they'll have more money to spend on other stuff.
Not sure this is the way to do it of course but since most of our clubs jump at any chance to make money off the popularity of cross channel clubs we can't complain too much when the FAI do it.
osarusan
25/03/2013, 1:41 PM
we can't complain too much when the FAI do it.
Course we can.
It's not the making money part I have a problem with, its the ****-sucking.
Still never forget reading the programme from the Carlsberg tournament in lansdowne in 1998 involving Leeds, Liverpool, Lazio and (the then LOI champs) Pats.
FAI chairman Michael Hyland wrote about he was a lifelong Liverpool fan etc etc. Its the fact that nobody in the FAI head office can see how this message doesn't help irish football that bugs the hell out of me
BTW for those wondering. Amount of League of Ireland tweets since the FAI account told us to follow the LOI accoutn that didn't involve a score update:
FAI account; zero
LOI account; zero
Totally agree on the lack of respect for the league shown by people in the FAI at times obviously.
A little bit on the league launch / promotion that I wrote elsewhere:
The start to the Airtricity League season was somewhat underwhelming as there was little in the way of hype. I welcome the idea that most clubs are now making a profit as we desperately need stability but it’s not the hook I would have picked to try to sell the league to a sceptical public. Instead I would have perhaps concentrated on the number of the current and indeed past international squads that have spent time in the league and encouraged people to come and see the next generation. Working forward from the likes of Paul McGrath to Seamus Coleman and Shane Long you could have put together a super montage of moments for the Boys in Green and in the league. Like everywhere else money is undoubtedly tight, but I think an opportunity was missed here. Sentiment towards the international side may not be as high as it might be at the moment but they’re still the flagship of Irish football and the portrayal of Irish football as a cohesive whole can only be a good thing for both league and country. Throw in bits that emphasise the joys of actually being there at live football with people talking about atmosphere and craic and you just might get a few people thinking about the game here in a more positive light. A strong league can only improve the national side in the long term so it’s a hard to understand any lack of focus from the powers that be in promoting the league.
Maybe the FAI should employ the guys that did GUFC's DVD that time to promote the league. As mentioned above.. the most frustrating part is that despite all the players the league has provided to the national side that it still struggles to be taken seriously even within the FAI.
For the record
10 irish born players played for the Irish side that drew in Sweden. 6 of them played in the LOI. (ts 5/8 for players born in the Republic of Ireland).
Tomorrow's starting 11 is 5/8 irish born from the LOI or 4/6 for players born in the LOI.
How can they not see the connection?
ger121
25/03/2013, 4:23 PM
For the record
10 irish born players played for the Irish side that drew in Sweden. 6 of them played in the LOI. (ts 5/8 for players born in the Republic of Ireland).
Tomorrow's starting 11 is 5/8 irish born from the LOI or 4/6 for players born in the LOI.
How can they not see the connection?
None so blind as those who cannot see..
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