Didnt we play well against the welsh

[Plastic Paddy]

All history mate.
He's not any better than Macken!

Peadar-from-Cork
Yer-avin-a-laugh!
Peadar-from-Cork
Yer-avin-a-laugh!
(repeat until fade)

:D PP

[Peadar]

Peadar-from-Cork
Yer-avin-a-laugh!
:D PP

It's all I can do to keep sane with some of the crazy shíte thrown about on here. Man Yoo and Seltic fans seem to be in love with their players.
Be it John O'Shea, Ryan Giggs or John Hartson they want them all in the Irish team. Have they any ambition!?


By the way, didn't John Hartson want to play for Ireland when he was called up by Wales?

[Plastic Paddy]

It's all I can do to keep sane with some of the crazy shíte thrown about on here. Man Yoo and Seltic fans seem to be in love with their players.
Be it John O'Shea, Ryan Giggs or John Hartson they want them all in the Irish team. Have they any ambition!?


By the way, didn't John Hartson want to play for Ireland when he was called up by Wales?

Absolutely. He's a bit of a ned by all accounts. Conor74 posted as much here (http://foot.ie/showpost.php?p=112850&postcount=7).

I've no idea about him wanting to play for Ireland btw. I'm sure there are some among the Celtic number who would like to believe it though.

:) PP

[lopez]

Ped.,PP,Jamaic.P.M..........Leave me out of this one........Life's too short for any...... :rolleyes: more personal feudsYou're too busy indulging Marsellus Wallace on ourweeminds, aren't you? I see he hasn't forgotten me. ;) Dunno about this 'clinic' he mentions for us 'bigots' (YAWN!!!) but I know he needed a visit to another sort of clinic after his first visit on here. :D Send him (and all the other toss-pots there) my regards!

[eirebhoy]

It's all I can do to keep sane with some of the crazy shíte thrown about on here. Man Yoo and Seltic fans seem to be in love with their players.
Peader, I think you're the one with the bias mate. Hartson would walk into our team. Why are you dismissing the stats I provided?

[Peadar]

Why are you dismissing the stats I provided?

Because they're 3 years old?
I saw Hartson play for Arsenal, in the flesh, live, with my own two eyes.
He's rubbish!
I'd have Gary Doherty up front before him.
You quoted transfer figures there in some bid to impress me.
We've all seen players sold for stupid money when they clearly weren't worth it and Arsenal are great at selling average players for a tidy profit (Anelka being a fine example).

[eirebhoy]

Because they're 3 years old?
I saw Hartson play for Arsenal, in the flesh, live, with my own two eyes.
He's rubbish!
I don't think you could have contradicted yourself any more than you just have. :D


We've all seen players sold for stupid money when they clearly weren't worth it and Arsenal are great at selling average players for a tidy profit (Anelka being a fine example)
Yes, on a once off but not 3 or 4 times with the price raising each time, except for when Celtic bought him as Coventry were relegated and needed to get him off the wage bill. MON has also admitted that Hartson has already paid his transfer fee back with his goals.

If I give you up to date stats you'll just dis them because they're from the SPL. If you want to know, he has scored 51 goals in 64 league starts for Celtic which is the exact same ratio as Larsson's 178 in 218.

[Junior]

Yeah right, with Duffer, Reid, Kilbane and Co. you think that ponce Giggs is still up to the challenge?
What a joke!
Stopped reading after that, you clearly don't talk sense.

Are you suggesting that Andy or Stephen for that matter, Kilbane and Co (whoever you lump in that category) would keep Giggs out of the irish side if he was available?? Obv too fond of those green blinkers...


It's all I can do to keep sane with some of the crazy shíte thrown about on here. Man Yoo and Seltic fans seem to be in love with their players.
Be it John O'Shea, Ryan Giggs or John Hartson they want them all in the Irish team. Have they any ambition!?

Im no Man Yoo fan, but I am Celtic fan (note spelling for future ref :p ) However I'm a footie fan and though Giggs, IMO has never consistently produced the goods. He has produced it on enough occasions over the last 10 years to compete with KK for a spot in our first 11!!. Me think it is you who is throwing around the crazy ****e!



Because they're 3 years old?
I saw Hartson play for Arsenal, in the flesh, live, with my own two eyes.
He's rubbish!
I'd have Gary Doherty up front before him.


Thats right dismiss eirebhoys stats for being 3 years old because you saw Big John in the flesh 6 or 7 years ago... what an excellent point :confused: :confused:

[Plastic Paddy]

Because they're 3 years old?
I saw Hartson play for Arsenal, in the flesh, live, with my own two eyes.
He's rubbish!

Well, there's many here who disagree Peadar, and you know I'm one of them. He hasn't looked quite the part yet this season, but the figures tell the story. Junior and eirebhoy have you cornered. :D

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[Peadar]

Are you suggesting that Andy or Stephen for that matter, Kilbane and Co (whoever you lump in that category) would keep Giggs out of the irish side if he was available?? Obv too fond of those green blinkers...

Andy Reid and Damien Duff are better players for Ireland than Giggs is for Wales. They would get in ahead of him everytime. Forget about Giggs in his glory days. They were 5/6 years ago. Stop living in the past.
Typical Celtic fans. Not only can they not pronounce the word "Celtic" correctly nor can they spell the word "boys" correctly but they're obsessed with history. Why don't we revert back to the days when N Ireland were the powerhouse on the Emerald Isle. I may have blinkers on but you guys are facing backwards.

[tiktok]

Giggs, IMO has never consistently produced the goods. He has produced it on enough occasions over the last 10 years to compete with KK for a spot in our first 11!!. Me think it is you who is throwing around the crazy ****e!

I am a Man Utd fan :eek:

Giggs has been living off the goal he scored in the FA cup semi against arsenal with five years, United should have cashed in when Inter offered £25million. He still can't bloody cross the ball properly either and he always takes on one man too many.

But he'd still start ahead of Kilbane and Reid :o
Duff would be better :cool:

[Plastic Paddy]

Andy Reid and Damien Duff are better players for Ireland than Giggs is for Wales. They would get in ahead of him everytime. Forget about Giggs in his glory days. They were 5/6 years ago. Stop living in the past.

I don't. I'd have Duffer or Reid ahead of Giggs now myself, but that's because of my green-and-white blinkers. :)


Typical Celtic fans. Not only can they not pronounce the word "Celtic" correctly nor can they spell the word "boys" correctly but they're obsessed with history. Why don't we revert back to the days when N Ireland were the powerhouse on the Emerald Isle. I may have blinkers on but you guys are facing backwards.

I fear Brian Quinn, DD and the members of our board are. I don't really see any ambition to move on from where we were when Larsson left. Anyway, you'll have to do better than that. :) Show me an Irishman who isn't in some way constrained by history.

:D PP

[eirebhoy]

Andy Reid and Damien Duff are better players for Ireland than Giggs is for Wales.
If Giggs was Irish he wouldn't have had to play for Wales. If he was Irish I am 99.9% sure he'd be in the team. Same goes for Hartson, I just can't see Morrison keeping him out of the team. Remember, we are all biased towards Irish player, we just can't help it, so if Hartson was Irish you'd certainly have different views whether your anti-Celticness likes it or not.

[eirebhoy]

I fear Brian Quinn, DD and the members of our board are. I don't really see any ambition to move on from where we were when Larsson left.
I can see at least £10m available to O'Neill if not at Christmas, next summer. When O'Neill took over he was given £27m to spend in his first 2 seasons, since then (3 summer windows) he has spent less than £5m on 6 players. Since O'Neill took over Celtic have gotten over £10m from players out. Add the fact that he has reduced the wage bill a lot by releasing players like Johnson, Rieper, Stubbs, Wieghorst, Moravcik, Kharin, Rafael, Gould, Boyd, Guppy, Larsson, Mjallby all on free transfers. Then you have other younger lads like Miller, Doyle, Healy, Smith, Crainey and Goodwin. The sales of Viduka, Riseth, Burchill, Berkovik, Tebily would also have got a big chunk of wages off the bill. Even with the signings, the wage bill is definitely reduced by millions annually and there's still the likes of Lambert, Hedman, Petta and Fernandez to be released in the summer.

Also, a new Nike deal of at the very least £25m (the club also gets royalties for every jersey sold, etc, which was not the case with Umbro) over 5 years is to start next season (its suprisingly more than Liverpool's £40m over 10 years with Nike).

There will be $$$. :)

[Peadar]

so if Hartson was Irish you'd certainly have different views whether your anti-Celticness likes it or not.

It's got nothing to do with Celtic.
He's just not a great player, hence his retirement to the SPL at such an early age.
I'm simply not a fan of Celtic or the SPL, and never have been.
That's it, no hidden agenda.

[sylvo]

Yes we all are still over the moon with a point against wales. Everyone had it down as wales strolling it!!

We got a point away, in one of the best stadiums in the world with 60 odd thousand welsh fans.
And we should of had three

-Wales is about three times the size of NI

-No matter what you say they are a good side Bellamy, Giggs, Speed, Earnshaw, Hartson, Savage. I would say they are better than u lot!

-We are not a pub side!! At least are best players have a club that will play them.


OK I hold my hand's up, when I read yer post I thought you were one of Marty's posse from ourweewebsite, i've read yer other post's and I accept that your not on the wind up and you can certainly talk about football, which is something those lad's can't.
The pub team jibe ;) , well yer fellow Norn Iron fan's do describe us as begger's, which I can't say offend's me personally, but there's alway's going to be jibe's back if thing's like that are going to be said about us.
Still yer sound like a decent bloke and have brought out some not to bad disscussion's.

[lopez]

Typical Celtic fans. Not only can they not pronounce the word "Celtic" correctly nor can they spell the word "boys" correctly but they're obsessed with history...To be pedantic it is the spelling of Celtic that is wrong or its pronunciation. C before E is always pronounced as an S in the English language. If you want to pronounce Celtic as a C then it must be spelt with a K. As for B-hoys, wasn't that taken from the way Donegal migrants to Glasgow who picked up an enforced language without the aid of a supplied education, pronounced young males. Oh dear, living in the past again, I know. :o

[Duncan Gardner]

As for Wales, they are not in the same class as us. They have their best generation of players in decades, yet they merely qualified for the play-offs

Aye, totally meaningless achievement that :)

[eirebhoy]

It's got nothing to do with Celtic.
He's just not a great player, hence his retirement to the SPL at such an early age.
That is rubbish. A club will want to get the most money for a player if he's available for sale. If Celtic or Rangers are the highest bidder they'll allow that player discuss personal terms (they don't have to tell the player about any other bids). Arveldaze was Ajax's top scorer with 25 goals, fell out with the coach and was sold to Rangers. Champions league winner Klos actually paid a contribution to Dortmund to buy out his contract so he could play for Rangers. Prso rejected Monaco for Rangers. Boumsong rejected a load of clubs for Rangers. Thats just the players from Rangers that come to mind. If you think there are no great players in the SPL you are seriously mad.

[Peadar]

C before E is always pronounced as an S in the English language.

Is Celtic an English word?

[Peadar]

Arveldaze was Ajax's top scorer with 25 goals, fell out with the coach and was sold to Rangers. Champions league winner Klos actually paid a contribution to Dortmund to buy out his contract so he could play for Rangers. Prso rejected Monaco for Rangers. Boumsong rejected a load of clubs for Rangers. Thats just the players from Rangers that come to mind. If you think there are no great players in the SPL you are seriously mad.

I know Rangers have great players, it's Celtic I'm talking about.
Hartson wouldn't get into the Rangers team either.

[eirebhoy]

well with myself being irish i perferrable pronounce it 'Keltic' with a hard 'c' sound. the soft 'c' sound comes from the english mentality of being superior. since numerous languages within europe have a latin based root or are heavily influenced by the language in the english language case, the english decided that they spoke better latin than anybody else and set it upon themselves to pronounce certain words with a soft 'c'. seltic and keltic is an example of this happening.

http://www.faqfarm.com/History/Irish/21710

[eirebhoy]

I know Rangers have great players, it's Celtic I'm talking about.
Hartson wouldn't get into the Rangers team either.
The main reason I didn't mention any Celtic players was to get a response like that. :D You've slipped up mate. :p

[Peadar]

The main reason I didn't mention any Celtic players was to get a response like that. :D You've slipped up mate. :p

Hardly!
You just couldn't apply your point to Celtic.
You also can't dispute that Hartson isn't good enough to get into the Rangers team.

[Plastic Paddy]

You also can't dispute that Hartson isn't good enough to get into the Rangers team.

http://foot.ie/showpost.php?p=164144&postcount=51

:D PP

[Peadar]

http://foot.ie/showpost.php?p=164144&postcount=51

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If you were in Finsbury Park last Saturday you would have seen that I'm very, very serious indeed!
I leave the jokes to the jokers!
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[NY Hoop]

Firstly hartson signed for rangers but failed his medical a few years back.

Secondly whats this "........WE........" paleface?!!!!


KOH

[eirebhoy]

Hardly!
Of course you have, you are either:

1. Trolling (I don't really mind if you're trolling, I love getting the better of a troll :p )
2. Your anti-Celtic bias has got the better of you.

Remember you said "this has nothing to do with Celtic" and a player cannot be great if he moves to the SPL at an early age. What did you then say in your next post "I know Rangers have great players, it's Celtic I'm talking about". :D


You also can't dispute that Hartson isn't good enough to get into the Rangers team.
Old Firm scorers this season in the SPL:
1. Hartson (Celtic): 6 - 40% of his team's goals.
2. Thompson (Celtic): 3 - 20% of teams.
2. Camara (Celtic): 3 - 20% of teams.
2. Prso (Rangers): 3 - 33.3% of teams.
5. Arveldze (Rangers): 2 - 22.2% of teams.
5. Hughes (Rangers): 2 - 22.2%.
7. Sutton (Celtic): 1 - 6.7%.
7. McNamara (Celtic): 1 - 6.7%.
7. Petrov (Celtic): 1 - 6.7%.
7. Lovenkrands (Rangers): 1 - 11.1%.
7. Boumsong (Rangers): 1 - 11.1%.
1,000. Novo (Rangers): 0 :D

Rangers have yet to score an away goal while Hartson has 5 away goals. I'm pretty sure he'd make their team. :)

[Peadar]

Remember you said "this has nothing to do with Celtic" and a player cannot be great if he moves to the SPL at an early age. What did you then say in your next post "I know Rangers have great players, it's Celtic I'm talking about".



He's just not a great player, hence his retirement to the SPL at such an early age.

Compare what I've said and what you've suggested I've said.
I don't know enough about Rangers to actually say if their players were in good condition when they signed.

[eirebhoy]

"He's just not a great player, hence his retirement to the SPL at such an early age."

The first part, "he's just not a great player" is OK if its your actual opinion but the second part is nonsense as there have been a load of great players join the SPL at an early age.

The quote suggests to me that if you join the SPL at a young age then you're not great.

[Peadar]

The quote suggests to me that if you join the SPL at a young age then you're not great.

No, not if you're young enough to use it as a stepping stone to better things but for the likes of Hartson, who had been with a top class side like Arsenal, he was on a steady decline down to the SPL with a further drop down the divisions the only thing in store for him.
Let's keep things in context here.
For Miller it seems to have been good.
For Hartson it was retirement.

[Pat O' Banton]

The world is truely upside down there's a ruck going on about Celtic and rangers when we could be having a go at the Occupied territories

[Junior]

I don't know enough about Rangers to actually say if their players were in good condition when they signed.

But you do know enough about them to know that no goddam Keltic, Seltic, or bleedin Celthick player could play for them. God bless you.

[lopez]

Is Celtic an English word?Just guessing, but I'd say it's latin. In Spanish it is Celta (pronounced with a th or s). French it is Celte (pronounced with an s). Italian it's Celtico (with a ch). All these are latin languages and use the the c before e or i with s, th or ch rule as English is supposed to follow. In Spanish, for example, it would be Quelta if pronounced with a k.

In German it is Keltisch (pronounced with a K). Irish it's Ceilteach (with a K). The only defence is that English is so mongrelised that the only rule is that there are no rules (eg 'ough' as in through, cough, although, plough, etc.)

BTW, another interesting fact from the Indo-European languages for you. The same word for the number 'two' is used by both the most westerly language in the group and the most easterly. 'Do' is two in Hindi aswell as you well know it is in Irish. I found that one out one night when I asked for two Cobras to go with my Lamb Jalfrezi, Pillao Rice, Chana Dahl and Garlic nan with extra garlic and the bloke shouted into the kitchen for the bottles. :cool: ;)

[Littlest Hobo]

But you do know enough about them to know that no goddam Keltic, Seltic, or bleedin Celthick player could play for them. God bless you.

There's been one or two players who played for both down the years.

[Junior]

There's been one or two players who played for both down the years.
I'm well aware of that, it seems our friend Paeder doesn't, although in fairness I believe he was talking of the current team (still ludicrous though!)

[Peadar]

But you do know enough about them to know that no goddam Keltic, Seltic, or bleedin Celthick player could play for them. God bless you.

All I said was that Hartson isn't good enough to get into the Rangers team.
i.e. Starting XI
Does he start for Celtic?

[Bowsy]

Does he start for Celtic?

He does. SPL top scorer with 6 i think. I think Hartson falls somewhere between the 2 arguments. He's not "great" but certainly not rubbish. He's a good strong forward. I'd have him up front with Robbie if he was Irish but only due to our lack of options.

[Junior]

All I said was that Hartson isn't good enough to get into the Rangers team.
i.e. Starting XI
Does he start for Celtic?

yep he does. 6 goals in 5 games so far this season. Im not saying he's a world class striker, but he knows where the net is, puts himself about and is a decent target man. Unfortunately I am less inclined to say that about Morrison, Connolly etc..etc...

He'd get in my current Irish strike force if he was Irish. Its only an opinion.

[Peadar]

Unfortunately I am less inclined to say that about Morrison, Connolly etc..etc...

If Morrison keeps up his 100% strike rate of a goal in every qualifying game I don't care how bad he is or who's better than him.

I've nothing more to say on Hartson.
He doesn't play for Ireland, he doesn't play for a club I follow and he didn't score against my beloved Barca so I couldn't care less about him.
So long as you guys are happy with him, that's the main thing.
The happiness of the members on this forum is my primary concern.

[Plastic Paddy]

The happiness of the members on this forum is my primary concern.

Well Peadar, we'd expect it to be of some consequence to you at the very least. :)

:D PP

[eirebhoy]

All I said was that Hartson isn't good enough to get into the Rangers team.
i.e. Starting XI
Does he start for Celtic?
Did you not see my post #79 (http://foot.ie/showpost.php?p=164345&postcount=79)?

Hartson has 6 goals while Rangers' two first choice strikers, Prso and Novo, have 3 and 0 respectively.

Mark Hughes is trying to bring him to Blackburn BTW. There are supposedly 4 other premiership clubs interested.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/c/celtic/3682464.stm

[Peadar]

There are supposedly 4 other premiership clubs interested.

"according to the Wales striker's agent."

Agents will say anything just generate a bit of interest.
It's all about the sale to them.
I even tell people that Microsoft make good products just to make a sale :D

[Junior]

If Morrison keeps up his 100% strike rate of a goal in every qualifying game I don't care how bad he is or who's better than him.

I've nothing more to say on Hartson.
He doesn't play for Ireland, he doesn't play for a club I follow and he didn't score against my beloved Barca so I couldn't care less about him.
So long as you guys are happy with him, that's the main thing.
The happiness of the members on this forum is my primary concern.

That awful nice of you Peadar.

I can't disagree with your thoughts on Morrison though, I'll be equally happy if he scores in 100% of the WCQ

Good health to you my man!