Future Shels Stadium

[GalwayFrancis]

Shels need to build a new stadium...all agreed??
well this one (http://members.home.nl/willem-2/stadion.htm) would be the type of stadium they
need, nearly 15,000, compact, and shouldnt be
too expensive. anyone have an idea how much
a stadium this size would cost (not including
purchase of land)



ps go here (http://willem-ii.estate.nl/webmaster/pagina/P_club_stadion_panorama.htm) for a panoramic view of the stadium

[paudie]

Looks very like the NEC Nijmegen stadium where Cork City played. Capacity was 12,000-15,000.

I think Bohs and Shels should get together and build a new stadium.

[fergalr]

Looks very like the NEC Nijmegen stadium where Cork City played. Capacity was 12,000-15,000.

I think Bohs and Shels should get together and build a new stadium.
There's a site with a half built stadium ready and waiting out in Tallaght ..... (Bohez not welcome though).

[drummerboy]

The successful candidate for the Operation of Morton Stadium will be announced quite soon. The new operator will be in place by January 05. Shelbourne are one of 5 parties bidding for the control of the stadium. Fingal Co Council have just received a grant e300,000 to widen the pitch and relocate the hammer to outside the track. WATCH THIS SPACE.

[Slash/ED]

I really, REALLY, don't want a stadium with a feckin running track around it :/

Shels and Bohs should both build a new ground for themselves to share somewhere in the Northside, with the money they could get together along with grants etc they should be able to build a superb stadium. Imo, what would be ideal though maybe not realistic is a big stadium, around 22,000, which is in two tiers, so the top tiers would be closed during league games so the atmosphere wouldn't suffer with smaller crowds in a bigger stadium. The stadium would be able to host cup finals, smaller international matches and u21 matches and more importantly, european matches. It's probably unrealistic, but if they can get the money together that would be the kind of stadium they should go for, they need to have ambition or every time a big european game comes around we'll be sacrificing home advantage and shooting ourselves in the foot.

[boc123]

I definitely think all league of Ireland clubs should be aiming for something like Nijmegen have. Couldn't believe it when i saw it. Looks good and with a capacity of 12,500 would suit most league of Ireland teams.

Check it out Here (http://www.stadiumguide.com/goffert.htm)

[pete]

I definitely think all league of Ireland clubs should be aiming for something like Nijmegen have. Couldn't believe it when i saw it. Looks good and with a capacity of 12,500 would suit most league of Ireland teams.

Check it out Here (http://www.stadiumguide.com/goffert.htm)

If you look around can see that a few other Dutch teams have almost carbon copies of that stadium so must be a set model or something.

[gufct]

beyond any el teams budget at the moment somewhere between €9m-€15m and as there are no grants being given to any el clubs there is no hope of this happening in the forseeable future.The gound is willem II ground in Tilburg.

[CuanaD]

I really, REALLY, don't want a stadium with a feckin running track around it :/

Shels and Bohs should both build a new ground for themselves to share somewhere in the Northside, with the money they could get together along with grants etc they should be able to build a superb stadium. Imo, what would be ideal though maybe not realistic is a big stadium, around 22,000, which is in two tiers, so the top tiers would be closed during league games so the atmosphere wouldn't suffer with smaller crowds in a bigger stadium. The stadium would be able to host cup finals, smaller international matches and u21 matches and more importantly, european matches. It's probably unrealistic, but if they can get the money together that would be the kind of stadium they should go for, they need to have ambition or every time a big european game comes around we'll be sacrificing home advantage and shooting ourselves in the foot.

Problem is you could never get planning to do anything like that near the city centre (dalymount) - overshadowing the surrounding houses. However you might get permission in the Morton. I know there is no atmosphere in Morton & a good breeze coming through all the time BUT with lots of money . . .

[brendy_éire]

Shels need to build a new stadium...all agreed??

Why exactly? Surely it would be much, much cheaper just to redevelop Tolka, putting up flood defences, etc. than going out and building a brand new stadium.

[GalwayFrancis]

Why exactly? Surely it would be much, much cheaper just to redevelop Tolka, putting up flood defences, etc. than going out and building a brand new stadium.



tolka has an inadequite supply of everything.......parking,floodlights,pitch size, changing room size...everything
has to be a new stadium...a joint venture with bohs would be good!!

[Stevo Da Gull]

I really, REALLY, don't want a stadium with a feckin running track around it :/

Shels and Bohs should both build a new ground for themselves to share somewhere in the Northside, with the money they could get together along with grants etc they should be able to build a superb stadium. Imo, what would be ideal though maybe not realistic is a big stadium, around 22,000, which is in two tiers, so the top tiers would be closed during league games so the atmosphere wouldn't suffer with smaller crowds in a bigger stadium. The stadium would be able to host cup finals, smaller international matches and u21 matches and more importantly, european matches. It's probably unrealistic, but if they can get the money together that would be the kind of stadium they should go for, they need to have ambition or every time a big european game comes around we'll be sacrificing home advantage and shooting ourselves in the foot.

Sounds a great idea.

Is it not possible to buy Morton and do away with the running track and building huge stands with all that extra space left without the running track?

[A face]

tolka has an inadequite supply of everything.......parking,floodlights,pitch size, changing room size...everything
has to be a new stadium...a joint venture with bohs would be good!!

Parking ... Who owns the land across the road from Tolka ???

Floodlights .... 3 phase wiring is there so that ain a big job, non-issues infact

Pitch ... fair enough but Highbury is smaller ??

Changing rooms .... what are you changing ?? If you were build a new stand then job done.

I am agreed .... Tolka .... if money was invested would be grand. It would need to be 20,000 but it would be fine.

Need to sort out the teams playing there though. Was there four teams there this year ... that is way over the top.

[thejollyrodger]

Why exactly? Surely it would be much, much cheaper just to redevelop Tolka, putting up flood defences, etc. than going out and building a brand new stadium

Shels would probably get a right bit of money in Tolka for housing devlopment so it would make sense to move. I think its the clubs ambition to move, they did a peice on it on TV3. The threat of flooding is a headache a club doesnt need, or something they shouldn't spend money on.

Shels should really get together with another club like Bohs and develop a stadium maybe at abbotstown. The FAI are going to relocate there and are on about building a stadium for training for Ireland. Obviously thats not going to be used 100% of the time and there is little point in replicating infastructure.

The U-21's need a location to train to so they could train and play there too.

There is lots of room out there for additional training pitches and even things like car parking. Public transport will no doubt have a link out to abbotstown so it would be good future planning.

The FAI is set to get government funding for the small stadium out in abbotstown so if Bohs and Shels got on board the four parties could afford a 15,000 or maybe even 20,000 seater stadium. €20 million would develop something pretty impresive.

[Pablo]

The Nijmegan stadium cost 8 million euro

they sold it to the council for 10 million and now lease it back

sweet deal

[gael353]

I dont think the government would be too happy with the national athletics track being ripped up so that some soccer club can move in there. The hammer being moved outside the track is ****e cos the hammer would have to do with length not width. Its the triple jump and long jump lanes that need to be moved outside the running track to bring in a soccer club. But isnt the stadium in Brussels (used to be the heisel) the same as Morton with the jump areas on the inside? What Morton has going for it is location, as an athlete (who never ran there) i know the facilities are poor apart from the main stand. Its also the home of an athletics club....Eamon Coughlans one...oh ****it im forgetting the name and they the amin tennents would/will have the final say about who or what goes in there.

[caolan]

The Idea wiith Moton stadium and shels is based on the sale of Tolka.

Currently shels have no money to do up Tolka, so talk of building anew stand and spending money on flood prevention is a non starter.

The idea is they sell Tolka (or their lease of it) back to the council, who in turn sell the land to a developer, this could be worth anythin from 4-15 million to shels based on differnet reports (shels wouldn't get 100% of the sale value of the land, they would need to come to an agreement with the council)

Shels then go up the road to morton with a bag full of cash and then they take ownership of Morton (the council feel it is a drain on them and theyare looking for tenders to take over th erunning of it, shels are one of the tenders and would be in a strong position to pump money into it and then rent it to the OCI for track and field events) the deal is that it would have to stay as an athletics venue.

Essentially SHels swap Tolka for morton and probably about é8millionwhich would enable them to turn Mortoon into a purpose built 10k seater sportin arena, not the two bit ****holes that the rest of us play in.

In my opinion, the best move would be for them to sell Tolka and either move into Dalymount, or for bohs to sell Dalymount and shels to sell tolka and both move to Morton (the FAI stadium in abbotstown wont happen in the next decade, look how hard it was to get money for the main stadium in lansdowne and the gov wont give htem 20 mill to build an eircom league stadium. Also Perhaps Pats should loook at sellin Richmond and going to tallaght, no longer can clubs play in ****holes like Tolka, Dalymount, Richmond etc which offer no customer comfort, facilities or anything. We need to have modern looking fully seater stadia, not the two bit heaps we currenlty play in.

The answer...Drogs and Dundalk sharing, Rovers and Pats sharing, Shels and Bohs sharing, Athlone and Longford sharing, Cobh and Cork Sharing, maybe Harps and Derry (that one would be interesting) and I'm sure there would be other opportunities. Its time supporters realise while we are concentrating on preserving our history, days when we used to get 10,000 to evry home game and all that, we are slowlky falling further behind Rugby, GAA and TV, The Cinema and singing in the rain as alternative forms of entertainment.

[green army]

can some one tell me what is the point in shels moving to a new stadium of say 15,000 when they have the smallest fan base in dublin(ex dub city and UCD). they would only fill it for european games if the are lucky.Also i agree with brendy_eire.

[inexile]

I think they should go for it a good compact stadium would look good for the league and if there were 3 or 4 good stadiums it would attract more to games

[drummerboy]

Parking ... Who owns the land across the road from Tolka ???



The land across road is owned by Dublin CC but leased to Drumcondra FC (schoolboy section) who have just been granted 188,000 euros to build new club house.

[A face]

when they have the smallest fan base in dublin

The thing here is that Shels have some ambition and want to build a fanbase.


Totally agree with Caolans point ... sharing grounds to improve facilities is a logical way to go.


Shels should avoid playing anywhere with a running track !! If they wanna build a fans base then a running track is the last thing they should have.

[Shelsman]

Totally agree with Caolans point ... sharing grounds to improve facilities is a logical way to go.


Shels should avoid playing anywhere with a running track !! If they wanna build a fans base then a running track is the last thing they should have.

Sharing grounds is only a runner if the clubs are nearby e.g. Bohs and Shels. For Dundalk and Drogheda to share would be insane as would any other such shares in the country.

I agree completely about avoiding a running track as it spoils the atmosphere, however, if the first set of seats were say 10 or 12ft high then they could have temporary seats over the running track for big games ( although obviously not a runner for European games )...hmm...now that I think of it, feck the running track altogether.

[Shelsman]

tolka has an inadequite supply of everything.......parking,floodlights,pitch size, changing room size...everything
has to be a new stadium...a joint venture with bohs would be good!!

Plenty of water though! :D

[Slash/ED]

The thing here is that Shels have some ambition and want to build a fanbase.


That's exactly it, it's all about progressing. It's daft saying Shels have a small fan base when there's a city of over one million people out there to tap into.

[thejollyrodger]

I read in the newspaper this week that Fenlon said Shels are looking for a new site for a stadium and hope to have one by the end of the year. I hope they are talking to the FAI/Abbotstown about this.

[A face]

I read in the newspaper this week that Fenlon said Shels are looking for a new site for a stadium and hope to have one by the end of the year. I hope they are talking to the FAI/Abbotstown about this.

What paper was that ?? .... Can you post up the article ??

[Sonic]

I think it was The Sun :ball:

[Ringo]

I think Shels could be in trouble on this one. AFAIK they only have a lease on Tolka from DCC. As a rate payer in Dublin, i would object to them getting anything out of Tolka. The land belongs to the people of Dublin. If its worth millions, then its worth millions to to the people of Dublin. If they give money to Shels, then they would have to to do the same for all soccer clubs in Dublin, at every level. In the commercial world, Shels would have to buy themselves out of the lease.

[A face]

I think Shels could be in trouble on this one. AFAIK they only have a lease on Tolka from DCC. As a rate payer in Dublin, i would object to them getting anything out of Tolka. The land belongs to the people of Dublin. If its worth millions, then its worth millions to to the people of Dublin. If they give money to Shels, then they would have to to do the same for all soccer clubs in Dublin, at every level. In the commercial world, Shels would have to buy themselves out of the lease.


But because Shels have the lease, then surely they stand to benefit from it to some degree.

[Ringo]

it could be seen as a disadvantage. if they want to move they have to pay the rent due for the rest of the life of the lease. It depends on who is doing the negotiations. If DCC wanted to be difficult, they could insist on Shels abiding by the terms of the lease. They could then allow Shels to surrender their lease for a payment from Shels to DCC. Why should Shels get money from DCC to build a new stadium & someone like Rovers get no money for theirs.

[thejollyrodger]

I read it on either RTE, the Irish Independent or the Irish Times.

I dont know exactly what the story is with who owns what but its unlikely that Shels will be done any favours by D.C.C.

I hope its a real vision job, 20,000 or even 30,00 located at abbotstown. A location which will be served by a metro line in the future by the way ;)

[A face]

I hope its a real vision job, 20,000 or even 30,00 located at abbotstown. A location which will be served by a metro line in the future by the way ;)



One of my mates found a 3D cad disk (Navis ???) recently, and in one of the libraries of the programme was eircom Park ...... ambitious ... yes ..... the way to go ..... most definitely !! The thing was sweet.
Just saying that i hope any of this doesn't turn out to be a fiasco again. Tallaght is a prime example.
In fact ..... it is mad that Shels are going to build another stadium and there is one already waiting to be finished. It is all a bit too Irish really.

[higgins]

In fact ..... it is mad that Shels are going to build another stadium and there is one already waiting to be finished. It is all a bit too Irish really.


What in gods name are you on about????


I propose that all clubs play out of the one stadium!!!

Just because 1 club cant build a stadium doesnt mean another club should move into it??
Are you taking the **** here?

name a few good reasons why shels should move to tallaght?

[Ringo]

I hope its a real vision job, 20,000 or even 30,00 located at abbotstown. A location which will be served by a metro line in the future by the way ;)

Can't get land at Abbotstown , unless its offered to all clubs. The land is government land.

[thejollyrodger]

The FAI has land out there to build a small stadium or at least has a firm understanding with the government that they can build out there. Thats where they are putting the new HQ as well.

It might not be pratical for Shels and say Bohs to go on a joint venture with the FAI as it would put the rest of the E.L clubs at a bit of a disadvantage if there suddenly had 10 or 15,000 supporters at Shels/Bohs games.

Anyway one of the main points is to build a stadium that E.L teams can play future European games at home proper. Eircom park would be far too big.

[Bald Student]

it would put the rest of the E.L clubs at a bit of a disadvantage if there suddenly had 10 or 15,000 supporters at Shels/Bohs games.


I don't agree with this "if you build it they will come" idea. I've never known either Tolka or Dalymount to be sold out for a Shels / Bohs match so there is no pressure there to build a new stadium for want of capacity. Simply building a new stadium doesn't lead to more support.

[Ringo]

The FAI has land out there to build a small stadium or at least has a firm understanding with the government that they can build out there. Thats where they are putting the new HQ as well.

It might not be pratical for Shels and say Bohs to go on a joint venture with the FAI as it would put the rest of the E.L clubs at a bit of a disadvantage if there suddenly had 10 or 15,000 supporters at Shels/Bohs games.

Anyway one of the main points is to build a stadium that E.L teams can play future European games at home proper. Eircom park would be far too big.

If they had of just built, eircom park, we wouldn't be in the mess we are now. All teams in ireland would be entitled to apply for land at Abbottstown, not just Shels/Bohs. i agree with the point, if shels can't get 1,500 at a game a new stadium is a waste for them.

[A face]

What in gods name are you on about????

A ground share is what i am on about ....... why is that so hard for you to understand.

Both clubs are on the northside.
Tallaght is on the northside.
Common denominator ..... the fúcking northside.

Does it really sound that strange to suggest something like that.



I propose that all clubs play out of the one stadium!!!

Now .... what i gods name are you on about ?? you fúcking balm-pot, get a hold of yourself.



Just because 1 club cant build a stadium doesnt mean another club should move into it??

I know i didn't state alot of what was completely fúcking obvious, leaving it up to your good self to work out, but that was not the reason that i was suggesting.


Are you taking the **** here?

No ... but i most definitely am asking the same of you !!!


name a few good reasons why shels should move to tallaght?

Well ... we have established the whole northside thing.
there is a stadium that is half way through completion, and another club want to start building another one, putting the club under huge financial pressure. If both clubs work things out ... you could have a state of the art stadium that they both could share.

I am not saying it has to be like that ....... but what i am saying, if people could drop the politics/búllshít and realise the possibility and understand that the obstacles they believe are in their way could be overcome with a small bit of vision and a progressive attitude, there could be a stadium to actually write fúcking home about.

I just so you know ...... i know it is a big ask !!

[Shelsman]

.... it would put the rest of the E.L clubs at a bit of a disadvantage if there suddenly had 10 or 15,000 supporters at Shels/Bohs games.

OK, so if the rest of the clubs stay small time then Shels must too????

Give us a break, this is petty, stupid talk.

[kevincronin2000]

[Tallaght is on the northside.




Tallaght is not near Dallymount or Tolka park if i am correct

[Ringo]

[QUOTE=A face]A ground share is what i am on about ....... why is that so hard for you to understand.

Both clubs are on the northside.
Tallaght is on the northside.
Common denominator ..... the fúcking northside.

Well ... we have established the whole northside thing.
QUOTE]

Eh, hate to butt in , but when the Fúck , did Tallaght, move to the Northside? :rolleyes:

http://www.tallaghtlive.com/_general/TallaghtLive.com.asp
Today, Tallaght is the capital of the new administrative county of South Dublin

[manic da hoop]

[QUOTE=A face]A ground share is what i am on about ....... why is that so hard for you to understand.

Both clubs are on the northside.
Tallaght is on the northside.
Common denominator ..... the fúcking northside.
[QUOTE]

What on earth have you been smoking? Tallaght is as much part of the Northside as Iceland is part of the Southern hemisphere!

[observer]

Caolan do not include Longford and Athlone in your list of possible amalgamations. Longford have a fine stadium of their own already, and Athlone have just started on their stadium. As Shelsman said clubs have to be geographically (as in a few miles) close for a sharing option to work out. :ball:

[Schumi]

I think Shels could be in trouble on this one. AFAIK they only have a lease on Tolka from DCC. As a rate payer in Dublin, i would object to them getting anything out of Tolka. The land belongs to the people of Dublin. If its worth millions, then its worth millions to to the people of Dublin. If they give money to Shels, then they would have to to do the same for all soccer clubs in Dublin, at every level. In the commercial world, Shels would have to buy themselves out of the lease.
But the point is that the DCC would sell the land for a $hitload and so it would be benficial to get Shels' lease out of the way so that they can sell now and not in 60-odd years' time.

[A face]

Alright ... you can tell i am not native of Dublin town, fair enough. But i still think that ground share for Dublin clubs is a must if they ever want to get Joe public into the grounds. Tolka and Dalymount are the best grounds and neither are up to scratch. Until club co-operate then it will stay this way.

[Ringo]

But the point is that the DCC would sell the land for a $hitload and so it would be benficial to get Shels' lease out of the way so that they can sell now and not in 60-odd years' time.

First it would have be re-zoned.
Not too sure if locals would want a load of apartments there.
The land is prone to flooding. While this can be got around, the water would have to go somewhere else, so again locals or anybody close to the Tolka ( Meath etc) might object to re-zoning.

[higgins]

I see others have got to you A_FACE before i did !!

You really should not post things when you know **** all about the topic you are posting about...
It makes you look very childish..

In terms of tolka moving to tallaght as you suggest

It may be quicker for you to get to RSC in waterford from turners cross then it would be to get out to tallaght sometimes!!! :)

Do you know any details of the current rovers stadium and why there have been delays ? do you know what capacity the stadium can be set to ? do you know what night they are allowed play? do you know many shels fans that would like to ground share with rovers?....

Do you know anything about this toipic or are you just bored?

[Slash/ED]

First it would have be re-zoned.
Not too sure if locals would want a load of apartments there.
The land is prone to flooding. While this can be got around, the water would have to go somewhere else, so again locals or anybody close to the Tolka ( Meath etc) might object to re-zoning.

It almost sounds like you want the move to fail. :)

[thejollyrodger]

OK, so if the rest of the clubs stay small time then Shels must too????

Give us a break, this is petty, stupid talk

Go and re read my post FFS. I said if Shels and Bohs got the go ahead with the FAI to build a stadium in Abbotstown it would put the rest of the E.L at a disadvantage. I.E none of the rest of the E.L clubs would avail of a site and money from the FAI.

Has anyone an idea what Shels are going to build or is it going to be another piece of **** stadium ?

[A face]

I see others have got to you A_FACE before i did !!

You really should not post things when you know **** all about the topic you are posting about...
It makes you look very childish..


childish .... ahem ..... why ?? Why childish ??




It may be quicker for you to get to RSC in waterford from turners cross then it would be to get out to tallaght sometimes!!! :)

Point taken .... BUT i told you already .... i got it wrong. So Tallaght is not a possiblity. But a ground share should be considered. This is my point ..... It doesn't matter what ground ....... any ground will do. Just as long and punters dont have to go to crumbling hovels to see a game of footie.

You cant blame the guy on the street for not supporting the league. Most grounds are shítholes.



Do you know any details of the current rovers stadium and why there have been delays ? do you know what capacity the stadium can be set to ? do you know what night they are allowed play? do you know many shels fans that would like to ground share with rovers?....

Spot the Shels fan ..... Money,6000,not sorted yet but yeah i know the story,you'll answer that one for us.


Do you know anything about this toipic or are you just bored?

I'm not allowed an opinion now, fair enough