Limerick Lawson Cup 2012/13

[Fairkop]

bad day all round for pike ,conceded 4 goals,missed a pen,[was not one imo],had a player sent off correctly[could have had 2 more sent off] and shipped another injury which adds to the few they have already and played poorly throughout.hopefully those injured players will be fit for next week.boro deserved their win thought their keeper made a few good saves and waters caused pike a lot of problems.in the bigger scheme of things pike have bigger fish to fry one would hope this defeat wont effect them.

[AlanOB]

Fairly spot on in your assessment alan . 2 corrections - the referee was george clancy not "molloy" and harnett put his penalty wide.

Cheers. Yeah I'm not sure where I got Molloy from. Put it down to a long weekend!

Could have sworn McNamara got a hand to it but in fairness my view was slightly obscured so I must have just convinced myself he did.

Great win.

[leather]

well done to the boro lads yesterday.. lets keep it up untill the seasons end..

[Zizou]

Finally, without saying who was responsible, encouraging one's players to deliberately set out to take out opposition players is utterly reprehensible. Full credit to the referee for stopping the game to address it.

I have a problem with this right here. What your insinuating is that this person was openly and actively telling his players to 'take out' as you put it, the opposition's players. This is not what was said at all. I was 3 feet from the man in question. The referee picked up only the latter part of the statement. Exactly what was said was more to do with insisting that the Pike players pick up their game and play harder and tougher. It was said in the heat of the moment and by a man with several times your knowledge on this game and with far more class than you could ever hope to have.

[AlanOB]

I too was standing close to the man in question. I heard the full statement, as I'm sure did Georgie Clancy. The words and the intent behind them were as clear as day to him, to me, and to every other objective person in earshot. He would not have stopped the game to reprimand him if he was simply "insisting that his players pick up their game". Now perhaps you know Georgie Clancy's ears better than I do, but judging by how animated he was when he spoke to the individual in question, I'd say he heard exactly what I heard.

Incidentally, there was an equally awful statement from the same sideline late in the second half that wasn't picked up on. This second statement only served to confirm the intent behind the first.

[Boroman]

I too was standing close to the man in question. I heard the full statement, as I'm sure did Georgie Clancy. The words and the intent behind them were as clear as day to him, to me, and to every other objective person in earshot. He would not have stopped the game to reprimand him if he was simply "insisting that his players pick up their game". Now perhaps you know Georgie Clancy's ears better than I do, but judging by how animated he was when he spoke to the individual in question, I'd say he heard exactly what I heard.

Incidentally, there was an equally awful statement from the same sideline late in the second half that wasn't picked up on. This second statement only served to confirm the intent behind the first.
Terrible carry on..if your a good winner you have to be a good loser..AOB your report of the match was spot on well done

[Fairkop]

I have a problem with this right here. What your insinuating is that this person was openly and actively telling his players to 'take out' as you put it, the opposition's players. This is not what was said at all. I was 3 feet from the man in question. The referee picked up only the latter part of the statement. Exactly what was said was more to do with insisting that the Pike players pick up their game and play harder and tougher. It was said in the heat of the moment and by a man with several times your knowledge on this game and with far more class than you could ever hope to have. For a jumped up wanna be reporter such as yourself to have a pop at him is laughable to be honest. Take your anti-Pike agenda and stick it where the sun don't shine.sorry zizou,but i feel you need to change that pike scented aftershave you have on,i heard what was said in this instance and tbf AOB is correct and the ref picked it up perfectly too.very poor attitude for a man...with knowledge and class.....imo.

[js79]

I don't no why aob gets so much stick on this forum for his match reports,he is a neutral that is not involved with any club and I for one think his reports are most of the time spot on, was not at the game yesterday so I won't make a comment about,,couple of Weeks ago he done a report on another game and he got hammered by the winning team.I always enjoy reading your match reports and if I found that something was wrong I would be the first to point it out.keep up the great reporting aob.

[Zizou]

sorry zizou,but i feel you need to change that pike scented aftershave you have on,i heard what was said in this instance and tbf AOB is correct and the ref picked it up perfectly too.very poor attitude for a man...with knowledge and class.....imo.
I disagree. Also, if you were both that close to the same sideline as myself, you'd have heard a home player threaten to 'knock out' one of the Pike players. A hell of a lot gets said in the heat of the moment in competitive games, it's all part of it. Any of you who thinks anyone involved on the Pike bench would deliberately encourage their players to hurt opponents, is wrong. It's a matter of perspectives and context in this case. I see it how I see it. As do you.

[Hollywood Hogan]

Another excellent report from Alan, an excellent result for Janesboro and one that will worry pike a week before their biggest game of season but if any team can turn it around in a week it is them. Has anyone starting teams from yesterday? I know Moloney and Doona were replaced after half hour and that Gavin O'Shea started which surprised after he walked out in jackman park last week. As for what is said on the sideline, it's not always right what is said but I'm sure it was all in the heat of a game especially at such an important stage of season

[AlanOB]

Janesboro

McNamara; O'Donovan, O'Mara, McGarry (Barry), Harkin; Hurley, Healy; Donnan, Waters, Nash; Clarke

Pike

Ryan; Colbert, Enright (A. Barry), C. Moloney (T. Heffernan), O'Donovan; Doona (D. Ryan), Hartnett, O'Shea, Hanrahan; Moloney, Okoro

[AlanOB]

couple of Weeks ago he done a report on another game and he got hammered by the winning team.

Just to address this point - js79 is referring to a report I wrote on an FAI game recently. I posted a link to it on the Facebook forum in order to increase the readership. Instead I was subjected to abuse from the goalscorer on the day and at least two supporters of the winning side. None of their comments dealt with the content of my report. Much like Zizou's comments earlier, their intent was to merely to diminish and belittle me in whatever way they could.

Like you say, I'm a neutral. I genuinely have no affiliation to any club. But that was hard to stomach. Classless, pathetic, moronic behaviour.

[dutchie]

I have a problem with this right here. What your insinuating is that this person was openly and actively telling his players to 'take out' as you put it, the opposition's players. This is not what was said at all. I was 3 feet from the man in question. The referee picked up only the latter part of the statement. Exactly what was said was more to do with insisting that the Pike players pick up their game and play harder and tougher. It was said in the heat of the moment and by a man with several times your knowledge on this game and with far more class than you could ever hope to have. For a jumped up wanna be reporter such as yourself to have a pop at him is laughable to be honest. Take your anti-Pike agenda and stick it where the sun don't shine.

Saying a thing in the heat of the moment is one thing,telling us about his knowledge and past class is pure foolish,not sure who shouted in these comments but all he is showing is a total lack of knowledge and class,clowns like these should be banned from grounds.

[Zizou]

Much like Zizou's comments earlier, their intent was to merely to diminish and belittle me in whatever way they could.


I cannot comment for anyone else or their recent actions towards yourself, but my intention in this instance was simply to give another perspective and alternate response to a particular segment of your report. I didn't comment on the other 90% of it. As for 'diminishing' you, as you rather over dramatically put it, I've neither the time nor the energy for such trivial pursuits. Perhaps, on reflection the last couple of lines of my initial reaction were in poor taste. I am retracting them now.
If you choose to be a match reporter, be prepared to have your opinions and viewpoint challenged regularly, especially when they address sensitive and controversial aspects of important games. I find for the most part, your reports to be informative and interesting reading. However, I do find you’re dispensing of tactical advice to experienced managers with superb winning records, a little naive.

I'm looking forward to a great weekend of football for Limerick, and that's the last I'll say on the events of the weekend just gone.

[AlanOB]

First of all, I appreciate your retraction.

Secondly, I am quite comfortable with having aspects of my reporting challenged. Indeed many of the respondents to this report have picked me up on things in the past and I've engaged with them.

Thirdly, if indeed my "tactical advice" is so "naive", would it not be easy for you and your fellow club members to pick it apart? Why has the content of my criticisms never been challenged? Why is the response always personal? And why should a so-called "superb winning record" preclude an individual from the receipt of criticism?

Just to paraphrase you, if he's going to choose to be a top level junior manager, he should be prepared to be challenged when he makes a perceived error. And I'm sure he is. It's his apostles that seem to be extremely uncomfortable with it.

[Zizou]

It's his apostles that seem to be extremely uncomfortable with it.
:D :D
As funny as I found that, if you knew me personally, you'd know, an 'apostle' is about as far from the truth as possible.
I'll fill you in on the joke sometime.

[AlanOB]

Glad you enjoyed it!

So he's not The Messiah then? ;-)

[pearse4t3]

No, his just a really naughty boy��

[AlanOB]

Brilliant.

[hotspur]

Brilliant.have you ever managed in the game Alan?? Your wrong with tommy Heffernan on 2 counts.that pike manager has forgotten more than you'll ever know.actually most managers have to be honest.

[Hollywood Hogan]

Credit where it's due lads. Alan gives exceptional reports on local games. Where else would you get such an in depth report on a junior soccer game. Local papers carry about 4/5 lines on each. Looking at that pike team and allowing for the fact that Mullins and tierney were missing, this is one of the weakest pike squads in last 10 years. 3 or 4 of their squad at the moment wouldn't have been near it in the recent past. Kavanagh is a huge loss, Barry and Moloney are not the force of old. Similar to united though they are always competing in the big competitions at the end of season and local sides fear them

[hotspur]

Credit where it's due lads. Alan gives exceptional reports on local games. Where else would you get such an in depth report on a junior soccer game. Local papers carry about 4/5 lines on each. Looking at that pike team and allowing for the fact that Mullins and tierney were missing, this is one of the weakest pike squads in last 10 years. 3 or 4 of their squad at the moment wouldn't have been near it in the recent past. Kavanagh is a huge loss, Barry and Moloney are not the force of old. Similar to united though they are always competing in the big competitions at the end of season and local sides fear them

Excellent reports?Hartnett took no pen.Tommy Heffernan didn't come on right full.and Molloy was not the ref
As for the worst team in 10 years.Mj final. Semi final of FAI and a big shout in winning the league not bad for worst team in 10 years.

[AlanOB]

Feel free to correct any errors if you wish.

One of the players involved on the day has already been in this thread to vet the report. He found two minor errors which I've corrected, one of which was the referee naming slip.

Tommy Heffernan (if that's indeed who it was - I may have the name wrong) did indeed come on at right full in the first half, in place of Wayne Colbert who was shifted to the centre instead of the withdrawn player Conor Moloney.

And I'm 100% sure that Keith Hartnett took and missed a penalty before half time, unless one of the other Pike players is a really, really good mime.

I've never claimed that I'm going to get every detail right. There are no replays in junior football. I would hope that my reports are judged by those who read them based on the actual analysis contained within rather than the minutiae.

Then again, based on your "contributions" on here, that might be expecting a bit much of you.

[rooney23]

hospital vs carew park
first spot in the lawson cup final up for grabs this saturday night and this tie seems to be a mouth watering affair with both clubs having great seasons so far. hospital to be fair will have nothing to loose come kick off and will throw everything they have at a very good carew team, having won their division 1B league, in thier league cup final, beating many teams above team fairview and regional and ran jansboro close loosing 4 3 hospital will have nothing to be afraid of. they have two strickers in barry ryan and sean o brien who have scored over 70 goals between them and have very good midfielders in keith o connor and chris dineen who will all pose a threat to the carew defence and i have a feeling it could be a tough day for mark keane and his defence. on the other side of things both grant and connery will be very hard to stop if they start running at the hospital defence and it will be up to the experienced head of ken o loughlin to put a stop to these top class strickers. on paper carew are most certainly the stronger team but i have a feeling hospital have a good chance to take carew all the way, it wouldnt be the first time they over turned a premier team.
prediction: 2 2 full time could go either way in extra time

[mrman]

were and when is the Moyross v Janesboro game on, I heard to night in Jackman Park that its been transferred to Jackman Park next Saturday night can anyone confirm that

[deadly man]

Predictions

hospital 1-4 Carew park
Moyross 1-5 Janesboro

[hotspur]

were and when is the Moyross v Janesboro game on, I heard to night in Jackman Park that its been transferred to Jackman Park next Saturday night can anyone confirm that

Why is it been transferred to jackman.is their work been done on moyross pitch or something.

[allab]

Why is it been transferred to jackman.is their work been done on moyross pitch or something.

100% it's on in moyross lads

[thomas72]

Hospital 0 Carew park 3

[js79]

hospital vs carew park

first spot in the lawson cup final up for grabs this saturday night and this tie seems to be a mouth watering affair with both clubs having great seasons so far. hospital to be fair will have nothing to loose come kick off and will throw everything they have at a very good carew team, having won their division 1B league, in thier league cup final, beating many teams above team fairview and regional and ran jansboro close loosing 4 3 hospital will have nothing to be afraid of. they have two strickers in barry ryan and sean o brien who have scored over 70 goals between them and have very good midfielders in keith o connor and chris dineen who will all pose a threat to the carew defence and i have a feeling it could be a tough day for mark keane and his defence. on the other side of things both grant and connery will be very hard to stop if they start running at the hospital defence and it will be up to the experienced head of ken o loughlin to put a stop to these top class strickers. on paper carew are most certainly the stronger team but i have a feeling hospital have a good chance to take carew all the way, it wouldnt be the first time they over turned a premier team.
prediction: 2 2 full time could go either way in extra time

With all the attacking talent on show last night it was fitting that 3 defenders scored the carew goals.credit to hospital for putting up a brave battle last night.very physical and young team,you can see why they gave so much trouble to the teams in the Lawson and other cup games.

[AlanOB]

Carew Park 1-3 Janesboro

A richly deserved victory today for Janesboro with a star performance from striker Shane Clarke.

Both sides set out initially in 4-4-2 shapes. Carew made one change from the side that drew 1-1 with Pike last Sunday - Brian Ahern in on the right of midfield for the injured Jamie O'Sullivan. Boro had David Donnan in an unfamiliar right back role, with Healy and Hurley in the middle, and Lynch partnering Clarke upfront.

With only minutes on the clock Boro should have been one up. A free kick developed into a close range chance for Conor Lynch. He put it wide. From there the first half settled into a pattern. Carew had more possession in benign areas but were unable to work it forward through midfield. Both Boro midfielders are naturally defensive players and they did an excellent job of preventing the Boyle brothers from linking the play. Boro won the ball in the middle third on numerous occasions and if the final ball had been right they could have created some good opportunities on the break. This was the downside of having a midfield configured in such a fashion. The insistence on having Clarke drop off and Lynch play on the shoulder didn't help matters either.

Still Boro created some half chances. Clarke had a shot in the box where he looked to bend it into the corner around right full Donnan. Waters also had an effort from outside the box. Carew on the other hand had only one shot on goal in the first half, a blocked shot from Pa Boyle - a testament to how difficult Boro were making it for them.

Second half, Carew started with far more urgency and had a spell in the first five minutes during which they really should have opened the scoring. First, centre back Lee O'Mara (who was excellent on the day) slipped, allowing Connery in on the edge of the area. He opted to shoot instead of square. Glasheen held. Then moments later, Connery had another chance. Brian Ahern worked a crossing opportunity on the right (a rare occurence for Carew - both wide men were poor). Connery beat his man to put in a fine glancing header, which produced a fantastic diving save from Glasheen in the Boro goal. Almost immediately, Jonathan Grant also had an effort in the box which glanced the bar before going over.

Boro weathered the storm however, and from there the game settled into the same broad pattern as the first half - Boro preventing Carew from working it forward and countering with pace. This time however, the counter attacks were much more effective. First Shane Waters received the ball on the right flank. He did brilliantly to skin left full Kett. Somers was unable to cut out the cross. Lynch layed it off at the near post. Clarke struck home from the centre of the box. 0-1.

The second goal came from a ball over the top, misjudged by centre back Mark Slattery. Waters had come in from the right, anticipating this. He delivered a nice ball into the inside left channel for Lynch to run onto. Lynch delivered a lovely cut back for the onrushing Clarke, for his second assist of the game and Clarke's second goal. A perfect counter attack.

Carew then made two substitutions with about 15 minutes to go, neither of which made much sense. Pa Boyle was removed for Cyril Maher. Pa was poor on the day but when you need two goals it seems odd to remove such an able set-piece operator for a broadly defensive player. Kett was also removed for Robert Brock, the latter going to left mid with Somers moved back to left full. Somers was used similarly in the latter stages of the home league game against Boro recently, and he struggled (understandably) with Waters that day. Here again he was facing the young winger. No change of shape for Carew at this point. Soon after, centre half Slattery was booked for a late challenge on Clarke, and as such he was shifted out to right full with Gary Griffin moving inside.

Minute later, Boro should have been 3-0 up. A brilliant Shane Clarke cross from the right was met with a diving header from strike partner Conor Lynch. Stewart saved brilliantly but he could only parry out to the centre of the area where Adrian Healy was waiting. Somehow he put his strike over.

Eventually the third arrived however. A throw in on the left was collected by Shane Clarke. He turned Ahern wonderfully before delivering a deft cross, which was turned in by Waters, unmarked at the back post.

Now Carew changed shape, with only minutes left. Steven Grant came on for Ahern and they went 4-3-3. They managed to grab a consolation in the dying moments - Brock forcing in a Connery cross after a Glasheen fumble.

A deserved win for Janesboro. They defended brilliantly, preventing Carew from working the ball into the final third, before counter attacking with pace. Shane Clarke showed what he's made of - demonstrating pace, power, technique and killer finishing. The question has to be asked - why hasn't this guy made it at a higher level? Perhaps his decision making with regard to positioning in the first half might go some way to providing an answer to that, an issue I've flagged numerous times in my reports. He's an outstanding number 9 and should play as such.

Carew on the other hand, will be stunned by how easily they were blunted as an attacking force. The absence of O'Sullivan was certainly a factor as both wide midfielders were not in the game. Grant possibly could have dropped deeper more often to provide a passing option as the Boyles were finding it very difficult to work the ball forward. Credit to Healy and Hurley in that regard.

Carew Park (4-4-2): Stewart; Griffin, Slattery, Keane, Kett (Brock); Ahern (S. Grant), P. Boyle (Maher), J. Boyle, Somers; J. Grant, Connery
Janesboro (4-4-2): Glasheen; Donnan, O'Mara, McGarry, Harkin; Waters, Hurley (Quigley), Healy, Nash; Lynch (McMarlow), Clarke

[CraftyToePoke]

Lovely Alan, lovely report.

And indeed even if every name in it is wrong, what matters ? I'll never know or be any the wiser. Where else is a guy in England going to read about this match in such splendid detail.

Keep it up.

[AlanOB]

Cheers. Usually I only get about two thirds of the names wrong to be fair. Sure I don't even go to the games half the time! ;)

[Fairkop]

handy lawson for boro ,carew were terrible offered nothing on the day ,cant remember a decent effort of theirs for 50 or 60 mins.boro far more hungry and could have scored more,clarke was at his best all game.surprised the carew sideline did not make changes early on as it looked some of their players way off the pace of the game.small enough crowd too.

[CraftyToePoke]

Sure I don't even go to the games half the time! ;)


Even better, and I would rather be completely misinformed than completely ignorant. So it's all good.