What did Frei say to Clinton?

[eirebhoy]

More than a little dangerous when everyone is willing to accept one side's story of a racist comment.
I haven't heard many people calling Frei a racist but we can't just dismiss the claims and call Clinton a liar. We don't know what happened so can only speculate. You are not speculating as you are plain and simply saying Frei didn't say anything to Morrison.

[blobbyblob]

More than a little dangerous when everyone is willing to accept one side's story .

Theres not many willing to accept Clint so I dunno what your on about. He obviously had something to say so he said it. I doubt if he went home and thought "what will I say about like that geeza Frie - ye, its like, ya know, he said i is black and i is not takin tha from no Toblerone head"

[Slash/ED]

Nothing wrong with getting pumped up for the game but to make up something like this is just wrong. Morrisson should apologize as he has tarred Frei without a shred of proof. More than a little dangerous when everyone is willing to accept one side's story of a racist comment. Indicative of PC-ism (or neo-marxist thought control) gone out of hand.


It's funny how you say Frei is "innocent until proven guilty" then call Morrison a liar when you're "without a shred of proof" that he's not telling the truth.

[Fergie's Son]

I'm more likely to believe Frei and disbelieve Morrisson based on the preponderance of the evidence to date. People have jumped all over Frei without considering the possibility that Morrisson is full of it. Let's look at the facts shall we.

1. Morrisson does not mention the alleged statement for 11 months. One would think that he would mention it after the game or at least within a week or so of the game.

2. Morrisson will not repeat the specifics of the alleged statement which allows one to cast apersions at to its veracity. I think we are all big enough to hear at least a paraphrased version of what Frei allegedly said.

3. Some comments on this very board:

thejollyrodger
Apprentice Join Date: Jun 2004
Posts: 84

Everyone should boo Frei when he comes to landsdowne...scum bag

koneinc
New Signing Join Date: Sep 2004
Posts: 14

There is NO excuse for racism, ever!

Bowsy
Reserves Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: London
Posts: 384

Also, what a charming young man Frei is - spitter, liar, racist. His mother most be so proud.

dynamo kerry
Youth Team Join Date: May 2004
Posts: 127

Frei has already shown his temperment isn't what it should be. (Excessivly inappropriate celebrations last year - spitting at people at the world cup, lying about it)


A number of posters have jumped all over Frei without any real proof. Put another way, Morrisson's claim couldn't stand up in a court of law and, quite frankly, I am surprised that Frei doesn't sue him for slander. Without further proof, I think Morrisson's comment was inappropriate.

[speedking]

Only Bowsy out of that list linked the word racist directly with Frei. koneinc only said there was no excuse for racism. And jollyrodger said that he was a scumbag, which he is.

[Volltreffer]

And jollyrodger said that he was a scumbag, which he is.
So you know him in person ... :rolleyes:

[blobbyblob]

So you know him in person ... :rolleyes:

Spitting at an opponent - Thats enough for me

Guilty of Scumness. Surely we dont need to personally know someone to be allowed to brand them appropriately from their actions.

Similarly- We cant call Clint a liar because Deep Fat Frier says he knows coloured people at his club and hes never burnt them out of their houses.

Similarly, we cant call Crisp'n'Dry a racist because we'll never know the truth of what was said. Thats between Clint and himself. Not that we would have known even if Clint came out and said it 11 months ago. As far as Im aware, players dont carry microphones.

But we do have enough evidence for scumdom. Scum is as scum does. Caught on camera. Guilty. You, sir, are scum.

[Bowsy]

Fair enough. Racist is a very severe tag to dish out without any evidence, especially in this day and age. I apologise for that. I will not temper my view of Frei though. Anybody who spits at someone is a disgusting human being in my opinion. It's a vile and incredibly insulting act.

[koneinc]

koneinc only said there was no excuse for racism


Thanks speedking

[Volltreffer]

You, sir, are scum.
Then so is probably everyone in this forum ... Except you, of course, always correct, never made a mistake. Congratulations!

[speedking]

So you know him in person ... :rolleyes:
He spits at other people. That is all the evidence I need to make that judgement. And he lied about it afterwards which makes it even worse.

[Fergie's Son]

It was implied that you agreed with the implication that Frei was/is a racist. Whether he is a scumbag or not is a different story alltogether. The spitting thing is miserable though. Was spat on when I played GAA and I went berserk.

[Volltreffer]

He spits at other people.
Wrong. He spat at another person. (See the difference?)

And he lied about it afterwards which makes it even worse.
You obviously don't know the story. And I'm not going to explain it to you, it's no use.

[Bowsy]

Then so is probably everyone in this forum ... Except you, of course, always correct, never made a mistake. Congratulations!

I can honestly say I have never and will never spit at another person. It's beneath me and I would be disgusted with myself for such an action. I can understand your loyalty to Frei but surely you can recognise he's not one of the game's gentlemen.

An honest mistake can be forgiven but such an action speaks volumes about a man.

[speedking]

Wrong. He spat at another person. (See the difference?)

You obviously don't know the story. And I'm not going to explain it to you, it's no use.
Doesn't matter, he still spat at another human being.

I probably don't, and I don't want to know it. He still spat at someone and he said he didn't. That is enough for me.

[eirebhoy]

quite frankly, I am surprised that Frei doesn't sue him for slander.
The only people that know what happened are Frei and Morrison. You don't know if Frei said anything so, again, why are you presuming he didn't? As you say, Morrison could be brought to court over false claims so why would he then say anything if it wasn't true?

BTW, this only came up in an interview. He didn't go to UEFA or call a press conference so your 11 month thing means nothing. There is no time limit to leak secrets.

[Fergie's Son]

No but the presumption is that one is innocent until proven guilty. The burden is on Morrisson and he has not met that burden. As such, he is the one who needs to justify his comments, not Frei. Such is the perverse nature of our politically correct culture, however, Frei has to defend himself. That's shameful.

Frei wouldn't sue because he would have to meet the actual malice standard are would be hard pressed to show monetary damages.