Where to now for Bray Wanderers

[starryknight]

How much did Ken Bates pay for Chelsea ? one penny...I would agree that it is unfair to the individuals who have so far kept the show on the road....I think they have gone as far as they can go without getting any return on their investment.

That could be a strategy alright. Maybe that was why budgets were never strictly followed for years in the place, others could have been waiting to pick up the show for nothing after draining the place. What are the losses in Wanderers and how were they created? Anyone got the details?

[Albatross]

Continuing my trawl through the CRO filings some more interesting facts emerge, I'm sure all Bray Wanderers supporters will be interested.

Financial Analysis of Bray Wanderers

The company was incorporated in 1985 and at the end of 1998 the accumulated losses of the company were €133,212 (IR£ 104,913). That's a period of 14 years.

(I note from the 1998 filed accounts Mr Philip Hannigan is recorded as a director,
but there is no B10 in the companies office confirming his resignation).

At the end of 2006 (a further period of 8 years) the accumulated losses of the company were €1,091,611

That is an increase in losses of €958,399 or an average of 120K per annum.
(Which is practically an annual loss the same as the whole period 1985-1998)

Losses between 1999 - 2006
1,091,611
-133,212
958,399

On 31/12/2006 four member of the board resigned.


1 Board between 1999 - 2006



Name
Resigned


Eddie Cox



Eddie Slevin



Frank Slevin



John Deering



Ian Hume
31/12/2006


Pat Devlin
31/12/2006


Paul Wallace
31/12/2006


Richard Holfeld
31/12/2006




In 2006/2007 as mentioned here before New investors came in buying €300,000 in shares. In that process they significantly bailed out the company that had been generating such horrendous losses.

Between 2007 and 2010 a further €248,987 of losses were incurred but this includes depreciation.

If you take into account that the Fixed Assets of the company were €662,252, four years depreciation at 10% (as per accounting policy) is likely to have been €264,900, then the company made a small trading profit.

This being the case, why are all the directors during this period now gone? It would appear from these figures they were doing something right. Considering what had gone on before would it not have been prudent to encourage them to stay. The club may not have been as successful on the field of play but at least it still exists.

2 Board between 2007 - 2011


Name
Resigned


Eddie Cox



Eddie Slevin
10/06/2011


Frank Slevin
12/08/2011


John Deering
30/04/2012


Aidan O'Rourke
11/10/2011


George Southern
03/06/2010


Pat Lynch
17/06/2011



The 2011 accounts are not filed but should have been by the end of August 2012 (9 months after Financial Year End) so I cannot report on the full term of this board but going on the previous years its likely they broke even.

[starryknight]

Thanks for the summary there.
I can see why the first bunch resigned in 2006 after seven years of losses in a row. Were they unable to stick to a buget for the club?
And that second wave of resignations in 2011/2012, looks like a major cull with no replacements coming on board?

[Captain2007]

Thanks for the summary there.
I can see why the first bunch resigned in 2006 after seven years of losses in a row. Were they unable to stick to a buget for the club?
And that second wave of resignations in 2011/2012, looks like a major cull with no replacements coming on board?

The figures do make a lot of sense, but lessons did not seem to have be learned from previous mistakes ie: paying a striker 900 quid a week for 4 goals in a particular season (had to off-load him and pay the rest of his 2 year contract)and also paying a manager 52 weeks of the year when we are only playing for 36 weeks, 16 weeks of absolutely no gate receipts and they were still paying staff and players, I could go on...rant over.

[starryknight]

The figures do make a lot of sense, but lessons did not seem to have be learned from previous mistakes ie: paying a striker 900 quid a week for 4 goals in a particular season (had to off-load him and pay the rest of his 2 year contract)and also paying a manager 52 weeks of the year when we are only playing for 36 weeks, 16 weeks of absolutely no gate receipts and they were still paying staff and players, I could go on...rant over.

Keep going, it needs to be heard. Learning from mistakes just might be possible but it could be a big learning curve for Wanderers.

All the above situations come from entering reckless contracts pushed onto the Board by the football manager and a weak management who didn't have the footballs to stand up and say no that is not in the budget and it is wrong to spend money that simply was not there.
Instead budgets were allowed to be broken and contracts were signed when the funds were not there to back them up.
In the end it all boils down to weak management, trying to appease the football side and ignoring the financial realities.
Management divided and acting without a united front usually leads to individuals acting on their own agenda and the administration of the affected organisation then becomes susceptible to stress, manipulation, disagreements and eventual fallout and fratricide.

[Albatross]

The figures do make a lot of sense, but lessons did not seem to have be learned from previous mistakes ie: paying a striker 900 quid a week for 4 goals in a particular season (had to off-load him and pay the rest of his 2 year contract)and also paying a manager 52 weeks of the year when we are only playing for 36 weeks, 16 weeks of absolutely no gate receipts and they were still paying staff and players, I could go on...rant over.

This was not a rant, it was informing the supporters and the people of Bray what is actually going on at the club. So little is known by the supporters and it's not right. The supporters at the end of the day pay the player and staff wages. It's time for a complete departure from the secrecy of the past. The only way to ensure that is for there to be a St Josephs Boys, supporters club representative on the board.

[lowflyingseagul]

behind the scenes players are being approached about next season , couple of very talented youngsters have been spoken too about joining for next season

[Albatross]

behind the scenes players are being approached about next season , couple of very talented youngsters have been spoken too about joining for next season

Is it any surprise, the Director of Football makes a statement to the press of his intention to resign at the end of the season. The club as usual make no comment. There is all the rumor about financial uncertainty why wouldn't players want away and secure contracts for next season. The board just hope the problems go away and it will be all right in the end. No plan, no action.

What is it that Talking Heads say, "the same as it ever was"

[starryknight]

behind the scenes players are being approached about next season , couple of very talented youngsters have been spoken too about joining for next season

SO its the same old story, sign up players without a proper business plan and leave creditors waiting when it suits the administrators, yes there is evidence of this 'allegation'.
There is too much evidence of this administration playing loosely with the rules to be ignored. We will have to wait for the Albatross dive bomber to seek out more of the truth and to get the answers to the questions.

[Captain2007]

Is it any surprise, the Director of Football makes a statement to the press of his intention to resign at the end of the season. The club as usual make no comment. There is all the rumor about financial uncertainty why wouldn't players want away and secure contracts for next season. The board just hope the problems go away and it will be all right in the end. No plan, no action.

What is it that Talking Heads say, "the same as it ever was"

No Money, No ambition, No Directors, bringing back staff they fired 2 seasons ago and now they will be one season ticket holder less for next season.

[lowflyingseagul]

other than sligo, which clubs are in good nick ?

[peadar1987]

UCD seem to be doing okay.

Shams as well.

[KK77]

UCD seem to be doing okay.

Shams as well.

Yes UCD are a great example of how to run a club in the LOI. They do not waste any money they have!

On a side note, is Jack O’Neill still more or less running the show in Bray? Is his position ever opposed, challenged, voted on or is it a case of he is the only person willing do the job? May i add what great service he has given Bray over the years.

[Albatross]

Yes UCD are a great example of how to run a club in the LOI. They do not waste any money they have!

On a side note, is Jack O’Neill still more or less running the show in Bray? Is his position ever opposed, challenged, voted on or is it a case of he is the only person willing do the job? May i add what great service he has given Bray over the years.

UCD have one big advantage I expect, their ground being part of the University Campus is looked after at no cost to the club. I could be wrong.

Jack is still the day to day face of the club and deals with all the administration from making sure match day runs smoothly, dealing with the FAI, the list is endless. But despite the fact that he is now a director and company secretary he is still an employee of the club and has to do what he is told.

So who is telling him what to do? Well one individual has decided that he is the only one who knows how to run the club, the fount of all football and business knowledge. This one individual though is slinking around in the background so if anything goes wrong he won't be blamed. He will remain the "shining knight" the in Bray community. As a director Jack O'Neill will be the fall guy so as you say "what great service he has given Bray over the years" and hopefully that will not be tarnished by what happens in the future.

[starryknight]

Its alright for us to make comments and observations here and for contributors here to ask questions on where we think Braw Wanderers is going, but of course we will never hear a comment from the club's officials. Maybe they are following the FAI rule book and avoiding any comment:

"An Administrator must refrain from making contributions to the media which are likely to portray the game unfairly, incompletely or inaccurately."

[Dove]

Captain2007 quoted ''No Money, No ambition, No Directors, bringing back staff they fired 2 seasons ago and now they will be one season ticket holder less for next season''

To sum it up : MAD -- No Money, Ambition, Directors.

It is very sad, and a major review in strategy, leadership and direction is required for 2013 season.

Would you agree?

[starryknight]

It is very sad, and a major review in strategy, leadership and direction is required for 2013 season.

I think we are all agreed on that.

STRATEGY : Need money to implement a strategy, but with falling fan base and no core fans willing to provide financial support this could be difficult. What does the Club offer the fans?

LEADERSHIP: Need people with vision willing to join with the club, looks like they have lost a lot of those people recently.
Leader's emotional state can effect an entire organisation. BW need people who can exude a postitve leadership. Here is a WIKI piece on leadership emotional input:
"Beyond the leader's mood, her/his behavior is a source for employee positive and negative emotions at work. The leader creates situations and events that lead to emotional response. Certain leader behaviors displayed during interactions with their employees are the sources of these affective events. Leaders shape workplace affective events. Examples – feedback giving, allocating tasks, resource distribution. Since employee behavior and productivity are directly affected by their emotional states, it is imperative to consider employee emotional responses to organizational leaders. Emotional intelligence, the ability to understand and manage moods and emotions in the self and others, contributes to effective leadership within organizations." Emotional contagion is a problem in many organisations, simply put it means that the feelings and thoughts of the management is somehow transmitted down through the organisation, for example even from the top down to the player level. So it the boss is a bully, or paranoid, or lacks real empathy, then these vibes are picked up and transmitted.

STRATEGY : Need some plan that will appeal to the young players and their families, offering a possibility to a young player to take them from kid to top level if they are good enough. Is Bray Wanderers doing any of this? How could Bray Wanderers do any of this?

[Albatross]

How much did Ken Bates pay for Chelsea ? one penny...I would agree that it is unfair to the individuals who have so far kept the show on the road....I think they have gone as far as they can go without getting any return on their investment.

He may have bought the club for one penny but he took over all the debts and also the land on which Stamford Bridge stood was prime London real estate.

In comparison Bray have accumulated losses of 1.5million funded basically by 800K in shares and 700K in loans to club, then there are Creditors/Bank/Revenue debts. The chances in the current climate of people walking away from what they are owed is unlikely. So if PD is thinking of taking over the club he better have 1 million in his back pocket. He could get the club for a penny but like Bates he would take over the debt.

[notever]

Bray Wanderers entered the L.O.I. in 1985 and have had some great successes and gone through some difficult times sice then. I don't think times have ever been as difficult as they are now. Its sad to see this happening to our Club, and unfortunately I don't have any great wisdom, as I dont understand Directorships and shareholdings and all that. However having read all the recent discussions here I feel we have some people putting up messages here who could help the Club. Can I suggest that anybody who feels they have a vision that could help Bray Wdrs out of their present situation, should contact the General Manager with a view to arranging a private meeting to discuss the situation. I would imagine whoever is running the Club would be delighted to discuss all options.I would fervently hope that something positive could come out of this, and we would be in a better state at the start of next season. C.O.Y.B.G.

[Albatross]

Once upon a time there was a King who lived in an ivory tower in the land of Bray .

The King believed he was the fount of all knowledge, as King's do, and would have a tantrum if his instructions were not carried out to the letter of the law, the King's word being the law. His servants went to his ivory tower regularly to pay
homage and to listen to his wise words as it was beneath the King's dignity to go out among his subjects.

The King's chief servant was responsible for carrying out the King's instructions. Anyone who dissented would be told by the chief servant saying in a loud voice "The King wont like that". The King was happy and gave a knighthood to his favourite servant, henceforth he was to be known as Sir Laughalot, because the servant was famous for his smile.

You see Sir Laughalot likes to have his portrait made and enjoys his position of seeming important, he regularly could be seen presenting parchments to the King's subjects to much applause at which he always had his portrait painted. This makes Sir Laughalot very proud but gives much mirth and hilarity to the King's subjects.

Recently the kingdom received new visitors bearing gifts and tokens of affection. They were made very welcome and became residents in the Kingdom.

But a dark cloud descended on the Kingdom and as time passed the King began to view the visitors with suspicion and disdain. You see the King had not been consulted when his servants had accepted the gifts on his behalf despite the fact that the Kingdom had benefited greatly from these gifts.

The servants picked up on this and they too became resentful of the visitors. The King decided that these new subjects should be banished from his kingdom. He instructed SIr Laughalot to sign the legal papers to exclude the visitors from the kingdom and to escort then to the gates and cast them out. Many subjects cheered Sir Laughalot but other thought that the King had shown no gratitude for the benefits and gifts the visitors had brought and from which he benefited and were sad.

As time passed the King became more odd. He became suspicious of some of his servants because they questioned his right to rule and they questioned if the King was wearing any clothes or in fact did the King even own any clothes.

The King became a very angry and decided to punish his servants and banish then too. The servants were forced to hand their clothes to King before they were banished. The King then celebrated with much mirth and hilarity at what he had done, the remaining servants joined in but secretly feared what may happen them if the King continues to rule.

The remaining servants need not have feared. The King rewarded the faithful ones by giving them the banished servant’s clothes. The faithful ones rejoiced again with much mirth and hilarity at their good fortune and despised those who had been banished even more.

The banished visitors and the servants joined forces and sought the help of a nearby good Emperor.

The Emperor had been a peaceful man but upon hearing of the Kings deeds he vowed to vindicate the dispossessed people. He rallied his forces and his four biggest and bravest legions have arrived at the borders in preparation for an invasion.These legions could inflict havoc and destruction on this tiny kingdom.

The Kings remaining faithful servants, having spent all the money that was in the coffers and now wait for the King to come forth with his words of wisdom to save them from the just retribution. But the King has become more reclusive and his servants no longer believe his words. All await the day of reckoning.

Will the Kings servants and subjects see that the writing is on the wall or will they hang on to the bitter end believing the King will save them?

And the moral of the story is "power tends to corrupt and absolute power corrupts absolutely" ("Animal Farm", George Orwell)

[Captain2007]

Get over it ffs, ye had your chance and ye blew it big time.....

[starryknight]

Has Mario Rosenstock joined up here or maybe its a piece for Joe Duffy's Funny Friday?

[Albatross]

Bray Wanderers entered the L.O.I. in 1985 and have had some great successes and gone through some difficult times sice then. I don't think times have ever been as difficult as they are now. Its sad to see this happening to our Club, and unfortunately I don't have any great wisdom, as I dont understand Directorships and shareholdings and all that. However having read all the recent discussions here I feel we have some people putting up messages here who could help the Club. Can I suggest that anybody who feels they have a vision that could help Bray Wdrs out of their present situation, should contact the General Manager with a view to arranging a private meeting to discuss the situation. I would imagine whoever is running the Club would be delighted to discuss all options.I would fervently hope that something positive could come out of this, and we would be in a better state at the start of next season. C.O.Y.B.G.

looking back over the issues aired so far and the ones yet to come, I think that person knows who to talk to and what mistakes have to be corrected to put this business back on the correct footing it deserves. One thing that is not up for debate is that The King and his Head Servant can have no role within the club and certain decisions would have to be reversed apart from that everything is open for discussion. I believe there could be contact with the General Manager soon.

[Dove]

Captain2007 quoted ''No Money, No ambition, No Directors, bringing back staff they fired 2 seasons ago and now they will be one season ticket holder less for next season''

Captain2007 quoted Also: Get over it ffs, ye had your chance and ye blew it big time.....

So Captain2007, how do you see yourself buying a season ticket for 2013?
What changes do you want to take place?

This is what the postings are about: Bray and the Future

Do we need a real Philanthropist, with vision and love for Bray?

[peadar1987]

Captain2007 quoted ''No Money, No ambition, No Directors, bringing back staff they fired 2 seasons ago and now they will be one season ticket holder less for next season''

Captain2007 quoted Also: Get over it ffs, ye had your chance and ye blew it big time.....

So Captain2007, how do you see yourself buying a season ticket for 2013?
What changes do you want to take place?

This is what the postings are about: Bray and the Future

Do we need a real Philanthropist, with vision and love for Bray?

We need, more than anything, a concrete plan for club promotion, the money to implement it, and a board with the discipline and foresight to see it through and build on it.

[notever]

From what I hear from Pat Devlin on the radio, there are only two people running the Club at the moment, himself and the general Manager Jack O'Neill. In all honesty two people running the Club, (thats apart from the girl in the office,) is not sufficient. So its apparantly clear they need people to get on board and help in whatever way they can.I assume (and I know its dangerous to assume), they would be delighted to welcome people who want to help, and thats why I suggested in my last posting that people who feel they have something to offer (maybe ideas maybe money or maybe both), should contact the general manager and have a private discussion to test the water, if somebody has an issue with Jack O'Neill I'm sure Pat Devlin would only be too delighted to talk to them.. I for one would hate to see our Club disappear into the abyss and I'm worried that could happen. I just hope this thread will have done something to get people thinking on how they could help. We must all put the past in the past and move on, if we keep refering back to the past we get nowhere, its time now to put the Club first and leave pesonalities aside. We should all remember Northern Ireland. Ian Paisley said no for a long long time but eventually he said yes and now we are all in a beter place and he was able to work with Martin Mc Guinness, who ever saw that coming? Heres hoping by the start of next season if there is to be next season for Bray Wdrs. that all our troubles are behind us and we can go from strength to strenght, the potential is there. Look what Sligo did.

[Albatross]

From what I hear from Pat Devlin on the radio, there are only two people running the Club at the moment, himself and the general Manager Jack O'Neill. In all honesty two people running the Club, (thats apart from the girl in the office,) is not sufficient. So its apparantly clear they need people to get on board and help in whatever way they can.I assume (and I know its dangerous to assume), they would be delighted to welcome people who want to help, and thats why I suggested in my last posting that people who feel they have something to offer (maybe ideas maybe money or maybe both), should contact the general manager and have a private discussion to test the water, if somebody has an issue with Jack O'Neill I'm sure Pat Devlin would only be too delighted to talk to them.. I for one would hate to see our Club disappear into the abyss and I'm worried that could happen. I just hope this thread will have done something to get people thinking on how they could help. We must all put the past in the past and move on, if we keep refering back to the past we get nowhere, its time now to put the Club first and leave pesonalities aside. We should all remember Northern Ireland. Ian Paisley said no for a long long time but eventually he said yes and now we are all in a beter place and he was able to work with Martin Mc Guinness, who ever saw that coming? Heres hoping by the start of next season if there is to be next season for Bray Wdrs. that all our troubles are behind us and we can go from strength to strenght, the potential is there. Look what Sligo did.

You are absolutely right, there are only two people running the club PD and JON, that is really running the club, but you still have one individual calling all the shots then there is nothing that can be done. While there are many who would be quite happy to work with Pat and Jack for the benefit of the club but this other individual is a major stumbling block. To take your analogy one thing Paisley was NOT, despite all his faults, he was a not a dictator. Bullying is a strong word but that is what the club has got. The shareholders of the club need to decide very soon do they want a football club that exists or not because time is running out very quickly. They know what they have to do to make this happen and there would be individuals there the following morning to help them. The club is at the abyss and it's not going to take much to tip it over and there is only one person to blame if it does.

[starryknight]

From what I hear from Pat Devlin on the radio, there are only two people running the Club at the moment, himself and the general Manager Jack O'Neill. In all honesty two people running the Club, (thats apart from the girl in the office,) is not sufficient. So its apparantly clear they need people to get on board and help in whatever way they can.I assume (and I know its dangerous to assume), they would be delighted to welcome people who want to help, and thats why I suggested in my last posting that people who feel they have something to offer (maybe ideas maybe money or maybe both), should contact the general manager and have a private discussion to test the water, if somebody has an issue with Jack O'Neill I'm sure Pat Devlin would only be too delighted to talk to them.. I for one would hate to see our Club disappear into the abyss and I'm worried that could happen. I just hope this thread will have done something to get people thinking on how they could help. We must all put the past in the past and move on, if we keep refering back to the past we get nowhere, its time now to put the Club first and leave pesonalities aside. We should all remember Northern Ireland. Ian Paisley said no for a long long time but eventually he said yes and now we are all in a beter place and he was able to work with Martin Mc Guinness, who ever saw that coming? Heres hoping by the start of next season if there is to be next season for Bray Wdrs. that all our troubles are behind us and we can go from strength to strenght, the potential is there. Look what Sligo did.

Good and fair comment for sure.


The fact is that we have some people who think they are allowed to manage a club by deciding to turn on or turn off their financial support.
As long as that is the case, as long as management bow to that type of 'manipulation', as long as that trait is tolerated in an organisation then we will have a problem.

Clearly some of the views here are from those who have seen that manipulation in action and who think that is has no place in any company and even less of a place in a sports club.
It looks to me like some unsavoury events have happened. Before moving on they will have to be examined and a determination made on their correctness.

Only that way do you end up with good and honourable people on board who carry out the business in the true purpose of sport.
What is the true purpose of Sport - is it just for money and exercise and nothing else? Perhaps in the next few posts we will have a discusion on that.

[Captain2007]

Do the shareholders own the company/club or just the stock/assets ? Perhaps a good idea would be to require directors to obey the law and put the clubs long-term interests before themselves or their shareholders,as a consequence we might find the club to be less opaque,anonymous, and ominous to the real supporters.

[Albatross]

Do the shareholders own the company/club or just the stock/assets ? Perhaps a good idea would be to require directors to obey the law and put the clubs long-term interests before themselves or their shareholders,as a consequence we might find the club to be less opaque,anonymous, and ominous to the real supporters.

Well said, I couldn't agree more.

The Shareholders own the Company,Club,Stock and Assets that is why I've been advocating a Supporters Club rep on the board. I also think St. Josephs should have some representation, whether on the board or not would be up for discussion. For at least 20 years now everything has been done behind closed doors and the supporters kept in the dark.

Why don't the supporters club buy some shares in the company, 100 shares would cost you 100 euro and while you may not have a seat at the board table you are entitled to attend the AGM and ask questions of the board. I know there is one shareholder who is prepared to sell some of his shares.

The board are entitled to refuse to sell shares to any individual without reason. But I wonder why they might do that? Is it the same old story, keep everything within the golden circle and to hell with the supporters. Maybe it's that they don't want anyone to see how they behave, children actually, IMO.

I will speak to the shareholder and maybe he would be prepared to put some way of contacting him up here. Why not treat yourselves or a friend to 100 shares for Christmas and come to the AGM next year and listen to what is said, maybe they will even behave themselves this year.

An AGM has to be held by the company to approve the accounts for the previous year and reappoint the Auditors. The shareholders are allowed to ask questions of the board about the accounts. The financial year end is 30th Nov to fit in with FAI licensing rules and no more than 15 months should elapse between each meeting. So it should be held probably no later than June 2013, if the club still exists.

[Albatross]

If any Bray Wanderers supporter is interested in buying shares please send your contact details and the number of shares you are interested in to the following address and I will pass it on the the relevant people bwshares100@gmail.com

[starryknight]

"Journalism is to reveal the truth when others try to hide it" Greek journalist Kostas Vaxevanis, now in jail for publishing the list of wealthy Greeks with Swiss accounts.

[Albatross]

Where to now for Bray Wanderers?

It would appear they are going to Bray District Court, although not quite yet. Tomorrow's case has been postponed again but I suppose it's a matter of watch this space.

Case rescheduled for 1st November, this Thursday, in Bray District Court. Should be interesting.

[Albatross]

"Journalism is to reveal the truth when others try to hide it" Greek journalist Kostas Vaxevanis, now in jail for publishing the list of wealthy Greeks with Swiss accounts.

Greek journalist Costas Vaxevanis on trial over bank list

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-20163430

"If I need to go to prison I will do," he said. "Not because I'm a hero, but to show the injustice of what is happening"

The parallel you draw is interesting and not without foundation.

[Albatross]

Case rescheduled for 1st November, this Thursday, in Bray District Court. Should be interesting.

The case was settled in full with costs to the plaintiff without going to court. If the club knew it was going to loose the case why defend it and waste money? Next up Circuit and High court cases.

[Dove]

Where to now for Bray Wanderers?

Surely not the courts, and is there the implied suggestion that there is more to come?

Guys, we need to stop this rot, and lining pockets of legal people.

Lets get back to the topic.Where to now for Bray Wanderers?

Would you all agree folks?

[starryknight]

The case was settled in full with costs to the plaintiff without going to court. If the club knew it was going to loose the case why defend it and waste money? Next up Circuit and High court cases.

So Bray Wanderers are joining that group of Irish Companies who try to avoid paying their debts and leave the little people having to chase them through the courts. Well all I can say is SHAME ON BRAY WANDERERS or to be more to the point SHAME on those people who think that they can run the club this way.

[starryknight]

Everyone recovering from Friday night's little party then? I hope someone asked the right questions about where the club is going and are the administrators following the best possible course on running such an important social body as a premier division football club?

[Albatross]

If any Bray Wanderers supporter is interested in buying shares please send your contact details and the number of shares you are interested in to the following address and I will pass it on the the relevant people bwshares100@gmail.com

There has been a good take up of this offer so the current shareholder has decided to leave the offer open till the end of November at which time everyone who applied will be contacted and informed of their allocation and hopefully the board will approve the transfer of the shares. The shareholder wishes to thank all those who have shown an interest in purchasing shares, he sees the wish for supporters to own part of their club to be a positive move.

[KK77]

How many has Devo bought does anyone know?

[Captain2007]

How many has Devo bought does anyone know?

Hopefully he bought the whole lot :o

[Albatross]

How many has Devo bought does anyone know?

Currently PD owns 39,747 of a total of 817,430 shares which 4.86% of total shareholding.

[Albatross]

If any Bray Wanderers supporter is interested in buying shares please send your contact details and the number of shares you are interested in to the following address and I will pass it on the the relevant people bwshares100@gmail.com

There is still one more week to get your applications in for the purchase of shares in Bray Wanderers, this is a great opportunity for supporters to have a say in how the club is run. If you love your team this is your chance to make a difference.

[Albatross]

I thought it would be interesting to find out how other club are run in the Airtricity League so I did some research and below is a list of clubs on whom I have found information: This is purely the list of administrative staff and does not reflect Team Managers or coaching staff.


CLUB

BOARD

ADDITIONAL STAFF



Shamrock Rovers

Board of Directors (10)





Shelbourne

Board of Directors (10)





Drogheda United

Board of Directors (3)

6 support staff



St. Patrick's Athletic

Board of Directors (5)





Cork City

Board of Directors (9)





Bohemians

Board of Directors (8)





Limerick City

Board of Directors (4)

7 Committee Members



Sligo Rovers

Committee Members (16)





Waterford United

Board of Directors (8)





Finn Harps

Board of Directors (6)





Longford Town

Board of Directors (6)

7 Committee Members



Athlone Town

Committee Members (10)





Wexford Youths

Committee Members (7)





Bray Wanderers on the other hand in their infinite wisdom think that just 2 two board members are required to run the club with one man holding 4 positions (Director, Company Secretary, FAI Rep and General Manager). If no other club can do it what makes Bray think it can.

What sort of discussion forum is a meeting with a Chairman and 1 Director, this is an absolute joke. This is the brainchild of one individual who decided everyone must go. I think re-signing players is the least of the clubs worries.

[nigel-harps1954]

Harps have a couple of sub-committees too and I believe there's more than 6 on the current board of directors.

[Albatross]

Harps have a couple of sub-committees too and I believe there's more than 6 on the current board of directors.

Information based on your clubs web-site

BOARD OF DIRECTORS
Chairman. Joey O’Leary
Secretary. John Campbell
Finance Officer. Denise O'Neill
Youth & Football Officer. James Rodgers
Fundraising Officer. Sean Quinn
Operations Officer. Seamus Gallagher


Maybe it needs updating?

[nigel-harps1954]

Maybe it's a separate committee altogether, but I'm fairly sure there's another 3 or 4 people involved in the running of things. I could be wrong, but I'd be fairly sure of it.

[Albatross]

Maybe it's a separate committee altogether, but I'm fairly sure there's another 3 or 4 people involved in the running of things. I could be wrong, but I'd be fairly sure of it.

These people are also involved(per website) but they are not part of the Executive Board which is what I'm comparing.

Office Administrator. Lucia Foley
FAI Representative. James Rodgers
Media Officer. Joe Doherty
Ground Development Officer. Patsy Lafferty
Merchandise Manager. Aidan Dullaghan

[nigel-harps1954]

These people are also involved(per website) but they are not part of the Executive Board which is what I'm comparing.

Office Administrator. Lucia Foley
FAI Representative. James Rodgers
Media Officer. Joe Doherty
Ground Development Officer. Patsy Lafferty
Merchandise Manager. Aidan Dullaghan

Take it as you wish, but there's others on the board too.

[starryknight]

Thanks Albatross.
Good work on how a club needs to be inclusive to be a good club and how other clubs have brought together as many different talents as possible for their benefit.
Looks like BW exists only as the reserve of a selected few. Lost all their friends have they.
Once upon a time Bray Wanderers had good people with great skills on the Board but they were dumped for asking relevant questions on policy in the club.
It all cries out for an investigation and when that happens who knows what other issues will emerge from the woodwork.