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Nice Friendly for the club this coming Sunday against Premiership opposition, bringing a full squad too.
lowflyingseagul
29/08/2012, 11:37 AM
must have been part of the pierce sweeney deal, reading have no match as chelsea are playing in the super cup and their game was cancelled last week, perfect
peadar1987
03/09/2012, 1:14 PM
Ouch!
Seagull
03/09/2012, 3:43 PM
Ouch!
Pity the crowd was so small but GAA and Man U on the box probably put a big dent in it.
peadar1987
04/09/2012, 8:13 AM
Pity the crowd was so small but GAA and Man U on the box probably put a big dent in it.
How many were there?
Albatross
05/09/2012, 12:19 PM
Pity the crowd was so small but GAA and Man U on the box probably put a big dent in it.
I don't think GAA or Man U had anything to do with it, apart from the regulars and die-hards the people of Bray don't give a toss about the club. Despite the club claiming to be part of the community, the community don't appear to care.
Pity the crowd was so small but GAA and Man U on the box probably put a big dent in it.
Yes i'd say Bray are disappointed the goons didn't come out for it!
peadar1987
05/09/2012, 4:06 PM
Yes i'd say Bray are disappointed the goons didn't come out for it!
Goon money is still money!
Albatross
05/09/2012, 5:47 PM
Goon money is still money!
Absolutely agree! the problem is they never part with it.
Goon money is still money!
What was the attendence out of interest? Sad that you need these goons!
An idea to save money might be to stop paying players money! I could also point you to money wasted over the years by Bray when there was no need for it! Pot, kettle, black and all that!
Absolutely agree! the problem is they never part with it.
I supose in the current climate you can understand why people are careful with their money. I know a fella who gave up parting with his hard earned when he saw it was going into the pocket of a certain player. It was very hard to argue with him in all fairness.
peadar1987
07/09/2012, 12:26 PM
What was the attendence out of interest? Sad that you need these goons!
An idea to save money might be to stop paying players money! I could also point you to money wasted over the years by Bray when there was no need for it! Pot, kettle, black and all that!
I'm not sure of the attendance, but needing the goons is a fact of life for LOI clubs. It would be wonderful if they were coming every week, and were therefore no longer goons, but they're not, so we're stuck having to host pishy friendlies like this.
And you can argue about how deserving of their wage several of the Bray squad are, but players who will keep the club in the top flight don't come for free. For every get receipt lost because somebody objects to, at random, Dean Zambra, being on the payroll, we'd probably lose 5 if we were to drop into the graveyard division.
That's one of the reasons I'd be in favour of a single division for the next few seasons. The spectre of relegation to Division One is hardly condusive to sustainably growing a club.
Ideally, licensing would ensure that all clubs had to set aside an amount of their turnover for facilities and fanbase development, meaning no individual club would be disadvantaged and possibly relegated due to taking a break from short-sightedly ploughing money into wages. I think if the club had a sustained drive in the surrounding towns of advertising, events, merchandising and promotion, the people would come, as I've said before. And I think when Roo69 was doing his great work at the club, attendances were creeping up steadily.
The problem is that this club, or any other club, cannot afford financially to do the right thing for five years down the line, because it would damage us too much in the short term.
Incidentally, does anybody know if the club has investigated getting marketing or promotional people in either on a student work placement, or as part of a job bridge scheme? It could be one way of getting some fresh ideas and a bit of extra manpower into the development of the fanbase, without breaking the bank. Do we even have a CPO at the moment?
Albatross
09/09/2012, 9:24 PM
And I think when Roo69 was doing his great work at the club, attendances were creeping up steadily
Roo69 was doing an excellent job at the club only to be replaced with individuals of, to put it kindly, lesser talent.
I think you would also find that the players now get paid very little compared to 5 years ago. The players get less in a month than what those players got paid in a week.
Three individuals put 600K into the club for the vast majority to be spent on wages and nothing on facilities and infrastructure. These individuals have been forced to hand back their 300,000 shares in the club now that the money has dried up. Those shares represent 37% of the club are now under the control of one individual.
This is what the club has spent their time at recently instead of advertising and promotion, spending money on legal fees that could have been put to much better use. In-fighting has always been the order of the day at board and shareholder level much to the detriment of the club.
peadar1987
10/09/2012, 10:47 AM
That's true, but even with spending all that money on wages, we've never broken out of mid table. If we hadn't been doing that, we could well have been actually relegated! Its symptomatic of a wider problem with the league. No single club can drop out of the arms race, because it would be committing football suicide, which would negate any financial benefit. Change needs to come from the top down.
100% in agreement that it is sad we need more fans to support us, not sad for us but sad for the thousands of locals who don't give a toss about their local club and would prefer to see an English club beat another English club but that's how we Irish are. And before you get on your high horse about me supporting United, i'll admit i do. So what... the difference is that i put my own first. It wasn't always like that but as i grew older i realised what was important to me and my local community, hence why i still do everything i can for the club on a voluntary basis.
Promotion of the club does work, but you need to spend money to promote, and this is something the club do not have or have had for the past few seasons. From personal experience, our gates went up about 17% when i was working as the club's CPO. I wouldn't says the 2 lads who came in after me had less talent, they probably just didn't have the same passion as i did for the club.
Things have been wrong with certain board members over the past few seasons but AFAIK this is being sorted and the club are now looking to move in the right direction, they need to make changes to bring the club forward so it's up to them now, no one else can do it but them.
More about you getting off your high horse than anyone getting on their's in fairness!
Albatross
12/09/2012, 5:57 PM
Things have been wrong with certain board members over the past few seasons but AFAIK this is being sorted and the club are now looking to move in the right direction, they need to make changes to bring the club forward so it's up to them now, no one else can do it but them.
Despite what the opinion of the previous board there must have been some ability there and it was all done on a voluntary basis. An independent Chairman with many years business experience had been brought in to bring structure to the board. They are all gone now with no new blood having been brought on board. That is like throwing out the baby with the bathwater.
The club has now only 2 directors, there having been 7, and no fresh blood has joined the board. It seems pretty remiss to me that the owners of the club did not have the foresight to find replacements before asking for resignations. In fact why did the owners not join the board, why do they remain anonymous?
It would seem it is easier to be a “hurler on the ditch” that put their head above the parapet. What are they afraid of? Everybody knows who owns Manchester United but does anyone in Bray know who owns Bray Wanderers? The names of shareholders who are not directors are never published in the accounts. I pose the question “is that why they have not joined the board”.
I agree with Roo69 it is now up to the new board to bring the club forward but with just 2 individuals working on a voluntary basis I can’t see how. I hope I’m proved wrong
More about you getting off your high horse than anyone getting on their's in fairness!
Not at all, you are so wrong. I support my local club, i put money into my local club, i volunteer at my local club. They don't, simple as that. You can't argue with facts King Kenny.
I'll say it again, It's people like you who give their hard earned money to English football clubs that have Irish clubs in the state they are in. Millions upon millions every year leaves our shores to plump the coffers up of English football clubs, you say a friend of yours stopped going to Bray games because he didn't like the thought of a certain Bray player getting paid to play for Bray, That one statement tells you everything you need to know about the best supporters in the world.
Not at all, you are so wrong. I support my local club, i put money into my local club, i volunteer at my local club. They don't, simple as that. You can't argue with facts King Kenny.
I'll say it again, It's people like you who give their hard earned money to English football clubs that have Irish clubs in the state they are in. Millions upon millions every year leaves our shores to plump the coffers up of English football clubs, you say a friend of yours stopped going to Bray games because he didn't like the thought of a certain Bray player getting paid to play for Bray, That one statement tells you everything you need to know about the best supporters in the world.
Mention that to Pat Devlin the next time you see him and let me know how he replies to you.
Roo69
13/09/2012, 10:54 AM
Mention that to Pat Devlin the next time you see him and let me know how he replies to you.
Defo the dumbest thing you have said on here, putting Pat Devlin and Barstoolers like yourself in the same sentence is just laughable !
Albatross
13/09/2012, 10:55 AM
PD shoots from the hip, doesn't always mean what he says.
Albatross
13/09/2012, 10:57 AM
defo the dumbest thing you have said on here, putting pat devlin and barstoolers like yourself in the same sentence is just laughable !
agree completely!!
Defo the dumbest thing you have said on here, putting Pat Devlin and Barstoolers like yourself in the same sentence is just laughable !
No b8lls to take him up on it!
agree completely!!
Disagree completely! Pat Devlin isn't a barstooler he actually goes to games across the water!
Albatross
13/09/2012, 12:24 PM
Disagree completely! Pat Devlin isn't a barstooler he actually goes to games across the water!
As a player agent that is what you would expect him to do, it's part of his job. Nobody here claimed PD was a barstooler.
As a player agent that is what you would expect him to do, it's part of his job. Nobody here claimed PD was a barstooler.
I can assure you PD does not only go over the water as part of his job and that is a fact!
Albatross
13/09/2012, 2:54 PM
I can assure you PD does not only go over the water as part of his job and that is a fact!
How could he possibly negotiate on behalf of his clients without going across the water as you put it. PD is an astute business man who leaves nothing to chance, it's naive to suggest that he takes such an arms length approach.
No b8lls to take him up on it!
What in the name of sweet jesus are you on about? hahaha
Take him up on what?
Pat Devlin manages a LoI club and has been involved in the game at home for years. There is no bigger fan than him of Bray Wanderers. He is also an agent/advisor who travels to see his clients every few weeks and i'm sure he goes to games in the UK on his own back or is invited over.
What is your point? Enlighten us all please...
What in the name of sweet jesus are you on about? hahaha
Take him up on what?
Pat Devlin manages a LoI club and has been involved in the game at home for years. There is no bigger fan than him of Bray Wanderers. He is also an agent/advisor who travels to see his clients every few weeks and i'm sure he goes to games in the UK on his own back or is invited over.
What is your point? Enlighten us all please...
Read my original post.
How could he possibly negotiate on behalf of his clients without going across the water as you put it. PD is an astute business man who leaves nothing to chance, it's naive to suggest that he takes such an arms length approach.
PD goes to numerous games for his own enjoyment in the UK. A previous poster stated people who do this are the reason the game in Ireland is in the state it is in. I asked the poster to confront PD about this.
haha your some goon KK !!!! if you had the ability to read my posts fully, you would now realise that your are in fact an idiot ! But i'll say it again for you...
As in many many previous posts i have stated i do not have a problem with people supporting English clubs, i support an English club. The problem i have is that when a person does not support their own local club and only and English club, for example, you. You have said you do not attend Bray games anymore and go over to the UK several times a season to support 'your' club. As you well know, you are a Barstooler and many many true Irish football fans have problems with Barstoolers.
I've many many friends in your situation, i think the same of them too because they don't get actively out and support their local club.
haha your some goon KK !!!! if you had the ability to read my posts fully, you would now realise that your are in fact an idiot ! But i'll say it again for you...
As in many many previous posts i have stated i do not have a problem with people supporting English clubs, i support an English club. The problem i have is that when a person does not support their own local club and only and English club, for example, you. You have said you do not attend Bray games anymore and go over to the UK several times a season to support 'your' club. As you well know, you are a Barstooler and many many true Irish football fans have problems with Barstoolers.
I've many many friends in your situation, i think the same of them too because they don't get actively out and support their local club.
Resorting to name calling now. Shall i start on you............
peadar1987
13/09/2012, 5:14 PM
Hasn't Devo put well over half a million of his own money into the club? That's the sort of barstooler we need more of!
Albatross
13/09/2012, 9:13 PM
Hasn't Devo put well over half a million of his own money into the club? That's the sort of barstooler we need more of!
What gave you that impression? Absolutely and utterly untrue. Lets have a bit of the realism you talk about. But never let the truth get in the way of a good storey.
Hasn't Devo put well over half a million of his own money into the club? That's the sort of barstooler we need more of!
Got to be the funniest post in the history of Foot.ie!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Resorting to name calling now. Shall i start on you............
Water off a ducks back, i've heard it all before.
Really good reply though from you to my post, fair play. Must have taken you ages to think that one thru
Water off a ducks back, i've heard it all before.
Really good reply though from you to my post, fair play. Must have taken you ages to think that one thru
Yawn!
Yawn!
I love winning debates !
i love winning debates !
Sweet jaysus knock yourself out!
Treat yourself to a season ticket next season, ohh wait you take one free from the club you love!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! PMSL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Roo69
14/09/2012, 10:38 AM
Sweet jaysus knock yourself out!
Treat yourself to a season ticket next season, ohh wait you take one free from the club you love!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! PMSL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I don't take a season ticket for free actually. So now your wrong and have lost the debate. Ouch.
I don't take a season ticket for free actually. So now your wrong and have lost the debate. Ouch.
Ahh you do though and you know you do!!!!!!! Ouchy, ouch!!!!!!!
Captain2007
14/09/2012, 10:54 AM
Roo why are you debating with that reprobate, I don't even know why he bothers to post, he utters pure thrash, it was a decent Bray forum until the aforementioned started posting his usual s***
Albatross
14/09/2012, 10:56 AM
Got to be the funniest post in the history of Foot.ie!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Someone else who knows the truth about the myths that have grown up around the club.
Roo why are you debating with that reprobate, I don't even know why he bothers to post, he utters pure thrash, it was a decent Bray forum until the aforementioned started posting his usual s***
Yeah it was such a busy forum with everyone toeing the line!
Albatross
14/09/2012, 11:17 AM
it was a decent Bray forum
There are many other issues that should be addressed so lets get back to a real debate.
I'll throw one out there, why did the board refuse to entertain the suggestion that there should be a supporters club representative on the board. It could have been in an observer and non-voting capacity but to my mind it would have created a link that could have been invaluable.
There are many other issues that should be addressed so lets get back to a real debate.
I'll throw one out there, why did the board refuse to entertain the suggestion that there should be a supporters club representative on the board. It could have been in an observer and non-voting capacity but to my mind it would have created a link that could have been invaluable.
Yeah i would like to know as well. My honest opinion having been following Bray since the mid 80's is that it's a closed shop with more or less the same persons pulling the strings behind the scences.
dahamsta
14/09/2012, 11:50 AM
KK77, don't tell people to get off their high horse, it's obnoxious. Attack the post, not the poster.
Roo69, you're here long enough to know better.
I'm not cleaning the thread, it's most garbage. Fee free to start again.
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