Clubs divided over future LOI format?

[sullanefc]

Galway Utd in the IL? and Newry in the LOI? now that would be interesting.

[NeverFeltBetter]

I'm sorry, are you claiming GUST is thinking about an application to the IFA? Or being sarcastic? It's hard to tell.

Link doesn't work for me.

[geezer]

I'm sorry, are you claiming GUST is thinking about an application to the IFA? Or being sarcastic? It's hard to tell.

ed their own leased pitch, dressing rooms etc for training and development purposes and hope to be back in Deacy Park in 2013 latest 2014


apologies re link
http://www.metro.co.uk/sport/917139-colin-murray-real-oviedo-shares-are-a-great-excuse-for-a-jolly-boys-outing


That cant happen, No Galway United supporters trust are exclusively committed to the League Of Ireland.
Its just good to debate and chat about these things at our U19 games, It gets people up the Dyke Road and maintains interest. No harm in debate Galway United Supporters Trust have recently secured their own leased pitch, dressing rooms etc for training and development purposes and hope to be back in Deacy Park in 2013 latest 2014

[Charlie Darwin]

I call bull****. No way Colin Murray has 19 mates.

[cheifo]

Rumour mill on make up of first division. No reserve teams. 8 teams with Cobh added to current bunch.

[geezer]

Rumour mill on make up of first division. No reserve teams. 8 teams with Cobh added to current bunch.

the cat and mouse game in Galway that could be down to 6 awful quick even with Cobh in.

[El-Pietro]

do you know you don't have to give each post a title?

[peadar1987]

do you know you don't have to give each post a title?

ally?!

[BonnieShels]

I was wondering about this apparent in-joke about "ally" there. Who the **** is "ally"? Then I copped. BED TIME!

[El-Pietro]

spoke to someone at the club, no truth whatsoever to the rumour that Cork City requested to be able to enter a reserve team. Don't know about the Rovereses

[oriel]

Not a bad idea re-admitting Cobh. Also it would be two nice away trips + almost a derby game for Waterford to look forward to.

[gufct]

http://www.galwaynews.ie/28721-league-status-quo-remain-2013

[nigel-harps1954]

Load of s**te but what can you do. It was sort of expected.

For now, all we've got to look forward to, is possibly the worst First Division the league has ever seen. Yay.

[gufc2000]

It seems pointless letting Salthill and Mervue back in next year if there's going to be one team in 2014. GUST have every right to have a team competing next year if the other two do. The FAI are looking for teams, yet they won't accept one who has a ready made fanbase.

(Note to everyone- these views are solely those of my own, and not of GUST.)

[bluewhitearmy]

It seems pointless letting Salthill and Mervue back in next year if there's going to be one team in 2014. GUST have every right to have a team competing next year if the other two do. The FAI are looking for teams, yet they won't accept one who has a ready made fanbase.

(Note to everyone- these views are solely those of my own, and not of GUST.)


How though?

[Dodge]

The FAI are looking for teams, yet they won't accept one who has a ready made fanbase.

Basing league admission on 'fanbase' has Galway in this mess in the first fecking place. DVD promotions etc

[gufc2000]

How though?
How not? Have already shown they're capable of keeping the show on the road for the fire-fighting job performed during 2011. Huge strides have been made with interacting with the community ever since they've taken charge

[Jofspring]

I certainly think they should be entitled to apply for entry/ a license. If they then don't meet the requirements then they don't deserve to be in but if they do then let them in.

[bluewhitearmy]

How not? Have already shown they're capable of keeping the show on the road for the fire-fighting job performed during 2011. Huge strides have been made with interacting with the community ever since they've taken charge


You say its pointless to let the 2 sides that are currently in the league to continue in the league so how is it not pointless to bring a new club in?

They have shown they are capable of keeping the show on the road by their running of the now dead Galway United is it?

[nigel-harps1954]

There's no evidence however, that there's no application going in. I'd fully expect GUST to still put in their application and state their case for entry. They have no reason not to even if Delaney says so. The First Division needs all the teams it can get, and if it means one year again of 3 teams in Galway, then so be it.

[gufc2000]

But being totally ejected from the process for the 2nd year running is a disgrace.

Last year, the application was 'late'. Again it's all about who you are I guess. Derry and Cork were whisked back in without a second thought.

[gufc2000]

You say its pointless to let the 2 sides that are currently in the league to continue in the league so how is it not pointless to bring a new club in?

They have shown they are capable of keeping the show on the road by their running of the now dead Galway United is it?
What more harm will it do? It will help towards preventing Galway United supporters being consumed by Connacht Rugby. It's happening as it is.

GUST ran Galway United for the 2011 season. They could have done a Monaghan and let the club fold. Are you seriously suggesting that GUST ran GUFC into the ground?

[peadar1987]

It's hardly as though GUST will take fans away from Mervue and Salthill!

[bluewhitearmy]

What more harm will it do? It will help towards preventing Galway United supporters being consumed by Connacht Rugby. It's happening as it is.

GUST ran Galway United for the 2011 season. They could have done a Monaghan and let the club fold. Are you seriously suggesting that GUST ran GUFC into the ground?

No im not suggesting they ran it into the ground im suggesting if they did that good a job of keeping the show on the road then surely the show would still be on the road.

[Trainee]

No im not suggesting they ran it into the ground im suggesting if they did that good a job of keeping the show on the road then surely the show would still be on the road.

Gufc CEO wanted money from GUST or he would block licence of GUFC, Gust said we would not pay him so he withdrew GUFC from licence process last year, GUST applied for own licence last year and were turned down

[JC_GUFC]

There's no evidence however, that there's no application going in. I'd fully expect GUST to still put in their application and state their case for entry. They have no reason not to even if Delaney says so. The First Division needs all the teams it can get, and if it means one year again of 3 teams in Galway, then so be it.

The FAI realize the current mess is because of there being too many clubs. Going back to 3 clubs would create a division between GUST and the other 2 clubs.
Ideally the solution would be for Mervue and SD to row in behind GUST's 'One Club, One City, One County' vision.
The one real problem is how slow this has all been. The FAI said there would be on-going talks through the season but nothing seems to have been done and now we're in exactly situation as s year ago.

[WoodquayBoy]

Bluewhitearmy - I'm no great fan of GUST but the facts are they HAVE kept the show on the road. The fact the road is not the Airtricitt League is down to the FAI rejecting their application for being 'late'. They didn't take the cowards way out like
Monaghan, and instead fulfilled ther league fixtures. They have an U-19 team on the go this year, have secured a training ground, forged links with local clubs and the community which were there before but were destroyed after the cclub appointed a convicted fraudster as their marketing man, who then rose through the ranks to become CEO.
Yes, we celebrated wildly when promoted on the back of a DVD - who wouldn't have? - but we were burned for the experience and are now trying to do things right. The fact the FAI - not exactly hailed by LOI fans at the best of times - has consistently put obstacles in the path of GUST is not GUST's fault. Any bitterness from fans of other clubs in relation to the the DVD promotion is a bit stale at this stage, but I'd those fans can't see what's happening to fellow LOI fans, then that is a sad day for all genuine fans everywhere

[sullanefc]

Basing league admission on 'fanbase' has Galway in this mess in the first fecking place. DVD promotions etc

Allowing teams without a fanbase has the LOI in this mess in the first fecking place. Fingal, Mons, Kildare, Kilkenny, Dublin City etc.

GUST have a fanbase and if run properly should be a good addition to the league. FAI screwing it up again.

[bluewhitearmy]

Allowing teams without a fanbase has the LOI in this mess in the first fecking place. Fingal, Mons, Kildare, Kilkenny, Dublin City etc.

GUST have a fanbase and if run properly should be a good addition to the league. FAI screwing it up again.


Based on what the 40-50 people at the 19s games?

Im sorry i have nothing against GUST but all the talk of em is pure guesswork.

[sullanefc]

Based on what the 40-50 people at the 19s games?

Im sorry i have nothing against GUST but all the talk of em is pure guesswork.

Ok, went back to the 2011 Attendances thread and the last attendance summary is here (http://foot.ie/threads/148138-2011-attendances?p=1546985&viewfull=1#post1546985). Galway Utd had an average attendance of 850, and that was in a season where they finished rock bottom of the Premier and were getting hammered every week. These fans are clearly not going to Salthill or Mervue. The LOI cannot afford to turn its back on a support base of this size. Are you telling me that if a team called Galway Utd were in the league next year then they wouldn't be tempted back? And don't compare the attendances of U19 games which are clearly not the same thing as senior LOI games.

[L.T.F.C.]

The fact the FAI - not exactly hailed by LOI fans at the best of times - has consistently put obstacles in the path of GUST is not GUST's fault.
What exactly?

[nigel-harps1954]

Based on what the 40-50 people at the 19s games?

Im sorry i have nothing against GUST but all the talk of em is pure guesswork.

Seriously? Wise up. GUST already have a good fanbase, and the support of football all across Galway including 99% of the junior and intermediate teams. This alone, puts them streets ahead of both Mervue and Salthill.

It was a thoroughly despressing moment when we realised that a group of about 50 Harps fans outnumbered the home support at our most recent visit to Terryland Park against SD Galway.

[WoodquayBoy]

What exactly?
Oh for the love of . . . Okay, last year they insisted the GUST application was late, and no one would have a problem with that only for the fact both Derry City and Cork City FORAS Co-op were also late with their applications in previous seasons, but the rules were bent for them.
This time around, an aapplication for the information pack went ignored for a number of weeks, and now Delaney has said "thanks but no thanks". That's just 2 eexamples of how GUST has been treated

[mypost]

The FAI realize the current mess is because of there being too many clubs. Going back to 3 clubs would create a division between GUST and the other 2 clubs.
Ideally the solution would be for Mervue and SD to row in behind GUST's 'One Club, One City, One County' vision.
The one real problem is how slow this has all been. The FAI said there would be on-going talks through the season but nothing seems to have been done and now we're in exactly situation as s year ago.

Ideally, 3 clubs in Galway would be based around the entire county, not the city.

But as they don't, Mervue and Salthill have no obligation to do what the big trust from the city want them to do. They earned their place in the league by right, kept their house in order, and they have every right to be in the league. It's not like there are 20,000 people from Galway waiting to throng Terryland every couple of weeks if the big city club get their way.

[sullanefc]

It's not like there are 20,000 people from Galway waiting to throng Terryland every couple of weeks if the big city club get their way.
Its not 20,000 but it IS about 850. Which is a hell of a lot better than Salthill or Mervue.

[peadar1987]

As I said, it's hardly as if Galway are going to take supporters away from Mervue and Salthill, but that's no reason why Mervue and Salthill shouldn't be in the league. 3 clubs in Galway isn't going to kill football in the city. If any of the clubs aren't viable, licensing should by rights take care of it. If GUST have a viable plan for a club that satisfies the letter of the law with regard to licensing, they should be allowed in. As should any other club. There's enough fudge in the league as it is.

[Charlie Darwin]

Can anybody explains to me why neither Salthill nor Mervue has gone bust yet? Surely the underage sides aren't funding this folly?

[brendy_éire]

Can anybody explains to me why neither Salthill nor Mervue has gone bust yet? Surely the underage sides aren't funding this folly?

We were talking about this the other actually.
I assume their players are paid a pittance. The money can't come from the senior set-up.
I mind going to the Drom and not being charged in. Madness.

[Jofspring]

Can anybody explains to me why neither Salthill nor Mervue has gone bust yet? Surely the underage sides aren't funding this folly?

They get a euro for every time a Galway fan complains about the attendances they give at games.

[NeverFeltBetter]

Can anybody explains to me why neither Salthill nor Mervue has gone bust yet? Surely the underage sides aren't funding this folly?

SD have got a lot of help from the FAI haven't they? Renting Terryland and the like?

[adamd164]

SD have got a lot of help from the FAI haven't they? Renting Terryland and the like?
Allowing them a license to play in Drom is 'help' enough from the fudge lords.

[wonder88]

I don't think Salthill pay their players, so it is possible to continue by getting a subsidy from their underage set-up. Did Mervue pay their players last season (however small) ? Is it possible to find out for sure if the FAI paid the rent on Terryland for Salthill last year ? Soccer in Galway at present is a disaster and letting in another team, the GUST, is the only way I can see out this mess. Then the club that can best run it's affairs and performs best on the field will emerge for the group and be the club that represents Galway.

[Tribesman2]

Mervue and Salthill don't pay their players

They have plenty of sponsors and do alot of fundraising. Both clubs are very well run, they have their debts but when you look at the facilities in place the investment has clearly been worth it. And they don't rely on attendances to pay anyone, they've come into the league and been exemplary in financial terms. And given the way some clubs have gone in the past few years ( Galway Utd being the biggest basket case), that should be enough to allow them to continue in the league.

[geezer]

Mervue and Salthill don't pay their players

They have plenty of sponsors and do alot of fundraising. Both clubs are very well run, they have their debts but when you look at the facilities in place the investment has clearly been worth it. And they don't rely on attendances to pay anyone, they've come into the league and been exemplary in financial terms. And given the way some clubs have gone in the past few years ( Galway Utd being the biggest basket case), that should be enough to allow them to continue in the league.

A gust meeting tonight in deacy park well attended by around 100 and not one said the other 2 shouldnt get a licence. Gust have a plan .well done to all that turned up. Btw tman2 you can be sure in time honoured loi culture the other 2 local clubs are out fundraising tonite to clear the debt hangover from this year never mind the next season. After 35 years of it im surw they will have a problem or two facilities or no facilities. facilties in drom have taken a big hit on usage this year with the sour taste of sd and two local juvenile clubs have affected their underage recruits this year according to locals

[brendy_éire]

Gust have a plan .well done to all that turned up

What's the plan?

[NeverFeltBetter]

"The Galway United Supporters Trust was created by man. They evolved. They rebelled. There are many copies. And they have a plan."

[gufct]

Mervue and Salthill don't pay their players

They have plenty of sponsors and do alot of fundraising. Both clubs are very well run, they have their debts but when you look at the facilities in place the investment has clearly been worth it. And they don't rely on attendances to pay anyone, they've come into the league and been exemplary in financial terms. And given the way some clubs have gone in the past few years ( Galway Utd being the biggest basket case), that should be enough to allow them to continue in the league.

I think the first line is a white lie as my granny used to say, Amateurs still have to be paid expenses dont the or at least they might have been told they were but it never materialised . You dont know much about yhe LOI if you think gufc was one of the biggest basket cases .

[bluewhitearmy]

Ok, went back to the 2011 Attendances thread and the last attendance summary is here (http://foot.ie/threads/148138-2011-attendances?p=1546985&viewfull=1#post1546985). Galway Utd had an average attendance of 850, and that was in a season where they finished rock bottom of the Premier and were getting hammered every week. These fans are clearly not going to Salthill or Mervue. The LOI cannot afford to turn its back on a support base of this size. Are you telling me that if a team called Galway Utd were in the league next year then they wouldn't be tempted back? And don't compare the attendances of U19 games which are clearly not the same thing as senior LOI games.

So its definite that they will all come back for GUST FC then? How do we know that an awful lot of them havent given up on LOI over the mess? Galway United are dead and there is no guarantee GUST would have the same level of support as they had.Its all guesswork.


Seriously? Wise up. GUST already have a good fanbase, and the support of football all across Galway including 99% of the junior and intermediate teams. This alone, puts them streets ahead of both Mervue and Salthill.

It was a thoroughly despressing moment when we realised that a group of about 50 Harps fans outnumbered the home support at our most recent visit to Terryland Park against SD Galway.

What support base have GUST then not what Galway United had or anything GUST what fanbase have they? Is there any proof they have the backing of 99% of these teams apart from them saying it? Ive had a few from Galway tell me they hope GUST never get back in ill be honest i have had more that say they do but not by that much.

[nigel-harps1954]

What support base have GUST then not what Galway United had or anything GUST what fanbase have they? Is there any proof they have the backing of 99% of these teams apart from them saying it? Ive had a few from Galway tell me they hope GUST never get back in ill be honest i have had more that say they do but not by that much.

You go by what you hear then. I'll stick with what I hear.


Also, Mervue players supposedly get paid in fuel vouchers.

[Patrick Dunne]

Mervue and Salthill don't pay their players

They have plenty of sponsors and do alot of fundraising. Both clubs are very well run, they have their debts but when you look at the facilities in place the investment has clearly been worth it. And they don't rely on attendances to pay anyone, they've come into the league and been exemplary in financial terms. And given the way some clubs have gone in the past few years ( Galway Utd being the biggest basket case), that should be enough to allow them to continue in the league.

SD Galway said that they would pay their players at the beginning of the season, stopped after a few weeks. Mervue United pay their players expenses. Anyone who thinks that players with Premier Division experience will travel up and down to Wexford and Ballybofey for a deep and abiding love of their club is a bit naive !