security for rovers match [Archive] - Page 2

Flea

17/08/2004, 6:17 PM

flea, all people dealing with large crowds should have crowd control training, if only from an insurance point of view.
who don't deal with situtiuons such as the rovers game, when it occur they haven't a clue what to do.

over zealious stewards, yes, if they were trained with how to deal with games like the rovers one, that wouldn't happen. i'll give you the numbers for the company who hold the contract for FAI games in Landsdown ( general security ) and the number of the personal team security if you wish to talk about crowd control etc.

we all agree a simple sitution is to "house away fans on the oppisite side of the ground, but only with the correct facilities inplace for them.

Well done Max, I completely agree with you on these issues! You have picked up a dictionary and found out what the words "Free" or "Voluntary" mean - I know some stewards and yes, you've got it, they are ordinary people without training, if they were being paid they would require training as it would be their job. Stop and think for a minute. If you volunteered to 'steward' at the games (not being paid, of course) and somebody came up to you picking a fight,would you react in the same manner as you would if you were being paid to do a job :confused: . Obviously not! :rolleyes: For a start they would be more helpful and courteous to all fans if money was involved. I will gladly take the numbers from you for the security at the fai games and give it to somebody out at Flancare. But it will be a waste of time, the resources are already limited enough without dragging money into it regarding paying at least 20 stewards a game!

Secondly, however, I do actually agree with you on this one Max, yes the fans do need to be housed on the opposite side of the ground and if what lonfordian says is true, it will be a good improvement on the last time!

Lastly, yeah lads thats right, all these clubs complained to the town- including the Galway fans. What was up with the Galway fans, were the seats behind the goal not up to their standards. They must have complained about the seats being too weak after a small group of their fans kicked in 7 seats.

Incider

17/08/2004, 9:36 PM

Martinho II

17/08/2004, 9:45 PM

if that is true then where do the section o head lads propose to go? what do the section o boyz think?

max power

17/08/2004, 9:49 PM

well i'd rather have yee in full voice for the cup final, but its a pity.....Section O should be left as be.....

Incider

17/08/2004, 10:05 PM

its probably for safety reasons. the thing that sparked off the "mini riot" the last time was one loud mouthed longford fan who hadn't the cop on to walk away. another ugly scene like that isn't needed.........

boots

17/08/2004, 10:24 PM

So will the coin throwers be banned from Flancare this time? I take it they was no problem identifying them as there was Gardai beside them at the time..

Or mabye we should heap the blame onto Sean Dillon and completely exonerate the innocent rovers fans, who were rightly very aggrevated by the slickness of his throw ins :rolleyes:

Longfordian

18/08/2004, 12:15 AM

The issue of whether to allow Longford fans on the far side hasnt been 100% decided yet AFAIK, its still up for debate within the club, but either way Rovers fans are going to be going in their own entrance with facilities for them and FAI stewards to look after them. The club is doing its best to avoid any conflict or provocation. Neither set of fans was blameless for the last time so ideally it will be all about each keeping to their own

Dr.Nightdub

18/08/2004, 12:39 AM

Two points:

1. Last Saturday, we offended against all moral decency by changing ends not once, but twice - once at kick-off when we saw Pats were playing into the road end, the second at half time when we went back down to the corner where the scoreboard is. No-one said "boo" to us. Consistency?

2. As regards this whole lark of people going around by the stand to get to Section O or wherever...in Dolan's last season in charge of Pats, we played Longford, can't remember the result, ****e game, at full time we went to leave the far end by going around in front of the stand, and what happens? The peace-loving hippie Longford stewards try to batter us for the heinous crime of...going around by the stand. Only for Andy O'Callaghan diving in to calm things down, it would've turned very nasty.

As has already been said, many clubs' fans have complained about the Longford stewards in the last few years. They're probably generally regarded as being worse than Frontline and believe me, that takes some doing. No smoke without fire.

Longfordian

18/08/2004, 12:58 AM

It doesnt make a lot of sense but I think there's just a certain amount of stubborness on behalf of some members of the club, Rovers fans reputation is perhaps unfairly preceding them, either way theres feck all can be done for Saturdays match now, the arrangements are in place. The club or at least some officials are aware that perhaps its stewards have contributed to some problems and have been doing their best to keep them in line, and in fairness there has been few enough incidents in the last couple of seasons. We're a bit hamstrung in that we rely on voluntary people to carry out stewarding which is not ideal..

Macy

18/08/2004, 7:48 AM

The club or at least some officials are aware that perhaps its stewards have contributed to some problems and have been doing their best to keep them in line, and in fairness there has been few enough incidents in the last couple of seasons. We're a bit hamstrung in that we rely on voluntary people to carry out stewarding which is not ideal..
I tried to make the point earlier (I think), that the stewarding has improved in Flancare over the last few seasons from the height of the problems. All the stewarding incidents that I have read about in the last few seasons have generally involved volunteer stewards - from our own problems, Harps/Derry in the play off, Cork and Drogs the other week in United Park. Ultimately the clubs must make sure there are proper training, but considering the "professional" security options aren't much better (judging on Frontline) I would agree the club are hamstrung to a certain extent.

gufct

18/08/2004, 9:04 AM

Im a trained steward have attended over 3 different course under the FAI and ive never seen Stewards like the ones in Longford with a group of them more interested in causing trouble than keeping a calm atmosphere and being helpful to home and away fans.

The myth of Galway Fans and broken seats in Flancare is still going on I was there that night and there was one seat broken when we scored the winning goal ive been going to GUFC games home and away for 19 years and ive yet to see any rouble caused by our fans .There was two Longford Stewards that night who abused women and children and wanted to pick a fight with all and sundry one of whom was particularly annoyed that we knew his name and went ballistic when someone told him they would be reporting him.

The FAI also have a problem with the attidude of Longford stewards and there has been run ins with them at u21 matches and the cup semi final last year.

Wiseguy

18/08/2004, 9:09 AM

Having read the numerous posts on this topic over the last few days i have to say that i am amazed at the amount of idiots using this forum.There can be absolutely no excuse what so ever for the behaviour of a certain amount of Rovers fans in Flancare.It was a disgrace to themselves,their club & the Eircom League.All they had to do is sit where they were told to sit and that's it.Anyone who tries in anyway to make excuses for this is braindead.The amazing thing about all of this is that it is not an isolated incident with the Rovers fans but funnily enough there never to blame.The fact is that if they behaved themselves like most other EL fans then this thread would be non existent.You can blame all the Stewards in the world but people are responsible for their own actions so whoever you are and whatever club you support when you go to a game follow the instructions of the stewards,cheer on your team,give the ref & linesman hell,go for a few pints afterwards to discuss the match but most of all enjoy yourself without causing trouble.99% of people who go to sport events can do so it can't be that hard.As for the match in Flancare lets just all hope it's a great match with a great atmosphere and whatever the result no one has any complaints after.

max power

18/08/2004, 9:15 AM

sorry wiseguy this thread has developed into a wider debate about the stewards in general at the Flansiro, some are good, very good.

but some are just plain useless and make the club look bad. i deal with security staff 4/5 nights a week through my work and i have to say if these guys were on a door of a pub for one night they would land themselves in hospital.

i have had some training in crowd control for various work i have done in the past and when you see a problem developing and say it to a steward...and the answer you get is to just "fcuk off and sit down" then what do you say ???

on the pitch isn't the only place LTFC need to be professional, off it is just as important as these stewards, like it or not, or the public face of our club on match days.

Wiseguy

18/08/2004, 9:45 AM

Well Mark i'm sorry to hear you've encountered such an idiot in Flancare.I do hope you reported him to both his superior and the club because it is the only way to nip this in the bud.I also have crowd control/Stewarding training and that certainly isn't the way to react or deal with a complaint.I deal with very large stubborn crowds ( Connaught GAA Matches ) and common sence is everything.Spotting the potential of trouble and stopping it before it starts.All you have to do is talk people down.It's embarassing that LTFC stewards are behaving like this and if they are then people should report them but that is still no excuse for starting a mass brawl and that is the point i'm trying to make.If you are having genuine problems with a steward report him don't start fighting.

max power

18/08/2004, 9:50 AM

oh well said, its like fighting with a door man because he won't let you in, what the point ??? I did say it to someone in the club and i was told he would be talked to.

Connaught Gaa matches, oh my God. I'm off to say a few hail marys for ya.

Wiseguy

18/08/2004, 10:13 AM

I need those prayers.There is nothing quite like trying to deal with a thick whore from connemara who won't speak English to you and is about to trottle you for refusing him entry to the stand because he dosen't have a ticket.Rovers fans are pussy's compared to these guys mind you the behaviour of the Dubs in Carrick-on-Shannon V Leitrim was incredible.I don't think there was a sober one out of the 6 or 7000 that made the trip.One guy was going to kill me because it was raining.Now last time i checked i wasn't mother nature or god.

Thirsty Hoop

18/08/2004, 10:27 AM

The rovers fans will be in sections J, K and L. they will have their own shop and toilets and will have stewards that the FAI are sending down, there will also be Guards down from dublin. Longford fans will not be allowed the far side of the pitch. The stand and goal end will be open to town fans.

Does that mean we're behind the goal?
If Longford fans aren't allowed on the far side of the pitch, surely we will be able to move freely?

Macy

18/08/2004, 10:52 AM

Does that mean we're behind the goal?
If Longford fans aren't allowed on the far side of the pitch, surely we will be able to move freely?
The bottom end goals are closed due to health and safety. It's undecided whether they'll be Town fans allowed in their usual sports opposite the Stand.

A..J.

18/08/2004, 11:36 AM

There's gonna be a big travelling support from the Hoops........hope your ready :)

the 12 th man

18/08/2004, 1:14 PM

There's gonna be a big travelling support from the Hoops........hope your ready :)

it should be a cracking encounter.
lets keep all the action on the pitch ;)

max power

18/08/2004, 1:15 PM

and i can see shane robinson getting such a nice responce form de town fans :rolleyes:

Thirsty Hoop

18/08/2004, 1:20 PM

and i can see shane robinson getting such a nice responce form de town fans :rolleyes:

Can you blame him? The lad needs to take out life insurance whenever he plays against Longford. You lads are the biggest hackers since Bray.

max power

18/08/2004, 1:23 PM

i'm on about the gestures he made to de town fans in inchicore, if he wishes to do stuff like that he is welcome to walk up to me and do it directly to me face and i promise to give him a choice of hopsitals to wake up in.....

anto eile

18/08/2004, 1:32 PM

Maz

18/08/2004, 1:40 PM

i remember trevor molloy being kicked off the pitch up in longford last season.
barry ferguson=dirtiest fukcer in the league.
the rest of the longford players are not far behind either.
longford are shyte but unfortunately their physical approach tends to work against us in flancare. im not confident of winning this game....

oh he is an aggressive defender..........not a dirty player!! In your eyes we may be "shyte" but we have won our last two games since our encounter with ye, yez have lost two!

sorbothegreek

18/08/2004, 2:45 PM

I don�t know. Your poor supporters are being unfairly treated on the terraces, the team is being victimised on the pitch. Its everyone against poor rovers, is it?
I never heard such shyte in all my life.
It�s a accepted fact throughout the league, (and I know you don�t have to take my word for that) that your fans bring any trouble they get into onto themselves.
As for the team, did they not get away with their last win in this fixture despite blatant hacking down of a player. We lived with it, you **** off and live with it too. It�s supposed to be a mans game.

Hard done by my arse.

max power

18/08/2004, 2:48 PM

now now its a ladies game too, remember mr robinson.

max power

18/08/2004, 2:55 PM

the 12 th man

18/08/2004, 3:11 PM

i'm on about the gestures he made to de town fans in inchicore,..

very seldom a pro or semi player would react like that to the crowd. :(

max power

18/08/2004, 3:21 PM

as i've said above, he is welcome to do that to my face and see where he wakes up.....hard man when he has all his security to protect him......must let vinny know for sat, tell him to pretend its reynolds..... :D

Macy

18/08/2004, 3:24 PM

I really hate players getting reported. If nothing else, it means you were winning and getting to him. That's something to be celebrated.....

One of section O's greatest moments was getting Richie Baker switched wings, and eventually subbed. He just couldn't handle it....

Thirsty Hoop

19/08/2004, 11:11 AM

on another point i had to take public transport the other day ( awful expericence :D ) and i was sitting beside two rovers fans and we got chatting and guess what.....

they said they never cause trouble anywhere and that its the other clubs that do everything to them, to me that is the typical responce from any rovers fan i talk to.....cop on and get your house in order, no one is perfect but your taking the pi$$.

It's a little from column A and a little from column B. There is never any trouble at Rovers home matches (aside from that one 'incident'!) All the trouble comes at away games when, a) Rovers fans are ****ed out of their heads, and b) the home supporters want to 'put it up to Rovers'.
Cork earlier this season was a classic example. We were singing away, watching the game without causing a bit of bother when the Cork fans attacked a Rovers fan behind the goal. Naturally we're going to defend our own and so hassle ensued. The vast majority of Cork fans conceded that they had started it and condemned those who did so, but others were talking about how someone had to put Rovers in their place. Why? All we were doing was watching the game.

max power

19/08/2004, 11:18 AM

here is a funny one, at the ireland game last night and was in the north terrace. at half time we thought we'd swap ends and go to the south terrace, guess what, we weren't allowed.....isn't that amazing. i had a ticket for a certain area of the ground and was told to stay there....wow imagine that happening :rolleyes:

in longofrd there was also trouble in a village before the game for starters, i myself seen stuff being thrown at our players on the pitch.....there are two prime examples where no one was near yee and still trouble.

i'm sorry but until the rovers board and fans make a concious effort to clean uo their act, i will still feel this way. If i seen an effort being made then i would of course welcome, a club with such history, to the flansiro.

i'll put it this way, have manners and your welcome in my home ground any day.

Macy

19/08/2004, 11:23 AM

max power

19/08/2004, 11:26 AM

simple all you do as you said is give a ticket for a certain section of the ground, i think the cup final might be similar.

Macy

19/08/2004, 11:34 AM

simple all you do as you said is give a ticket for a certain section of the ground, i think the cup final might be similar.
That's not what I was getting at - you used last night in Lansdowne where you had a North Terrace ticket, and couldn't move to the south terrace, as an example. If they weren't sold specific sections of the ground, and previously they were allowed to change ends at half time, then it is a totally flawed example.

Yes, if the club are going to segerate fans, or not let them change ends, it should be explicitly clear on the day that they are buying tickets for that end, certain sections etc.

max power

19/08/2004, 11:38 AM

yes agreed macy and that is the only way to do it, the visiting club are told in advance that their fans have been given section j & i as an example, and as the fans enter the ground through their own enterance there is a large sign stating it also.

i know now that when i go to richmond to see us against rovers, i go to a certain enterance and can only sit in a certain part of the ground, if thats ok for rovers to do to away fans then they should in principle do the same when visiting another teams home, its only plain manners after all.

Thirsty Hoop

19/08/2004, 11:41 AM

in longofrd there was also trouble in a village before the game for starters, i myself seen stuff being thrown at our players on the pitch.....there are two prime examples where no one was near yee and still trouble.

Eh, even the Longford Gardai said that Rovers were not to blame for that incident.
As for your ticket suggestion, as has been pointed out we don't get tickets for any section.
Two stupid points in one post, well done.

max power

19/08/2004, 11:44 AM

up until now you don't get sectioned tickets, if we change it then you sit where you buy the ticket for.

what incident, i mentioned two above.

Macy

19/08/2004, 11:58 AM

what incident, i mentioned two above.
The one in Tarmon. It was wrongly attributed to Rovers, and IMO had the stewards and some sections of the home support hyped up expecting trouble.

In Richer, I'd say they'd be no problem going on the Camac, or even the shed, if we wanted to. We're not told to go anywhere.

max power

19/08/2004, 12:00 PM

i was told macy, i was going in the normal enterence in my town jersey and was told i wasn't allowed in this gate and had to go to the other one, which i did.

still leaves the coin/lighter throwing at players, which some players even mentioned in chatting after the game in vaduz.....

WeAreRovers

19/08/2004, 12:07 PM

All the trouble comes at away games when, a) Rovers fans are ****ed out of their heads, and b) the home supporters want to 'put it up to Rovers'.

100% correct. Smart stewarding will ALWAYS prevent trouble in the above scenario.

Max Power - stop talking garbage, Pats fans were allowed swap ends last week in Flancare and Rovers fans were not to blame for the trouble in Tarmon last time - the publican even thanked the Rovers fans for sorting the hassle out. 0/2 for Max.

Also, you bleat on about Rovers fans throwing coins and lighters at players and in virtually in the same breath say that you'd like to put Shane Robinson in hospital. :rolleyes:

You truly are t'internets #1 eejit.

KOH

max power

19/08/2004, 12:13 PM

totally agree with the stewards thing, needs to be imporved as i have stating numberous times above...

on the pub incident i withdraw that :o

on robinson and throwing coins.....if robinson wants to walk up to me one on one and make the same gustures he is welcome to, but as i said he'll have no security to back him up...

same with cowards throwing coins, would they walk to a player and saw and do it to their face....cowards, sorry not just rovers fans, but any one who does that, scum pure scum.

Flynninio

19/08/2004, 12:22 PM

most of rovers scum are in there thirties.i met a few of them in bairds bar in glasgow last year and they were going on about how rovers fans got slashed in horseshoe and said there would be retribution we asked from who and the said not us but other lads. - these were the same guys who chased kids around cork year before. muppets the lot of them all mouth. and before ye go on i know there names and they are the main boys because me cousin lives up there and pointed them out to me. scumbags.

Macy

19/08/2004, 12:39 PM

most of rovers scum are in there thirties.
There you go WAR, you scum. :D

WeAreRovers

19/08/2004, 12:55 PM

There you go WAR, you scum. :D

And I've been in Bairds in Glasgow! :eek:

Particularly like this bit - "and before ye go on i know there names and they are the main boys because me cousin lives up there and pointed them out to me. scumbags."

It's a mixture of hoolie book speak and Corkie anti-Dub chip on the shoulder nonsense. Great stuff. :D

KOH

Macy

19/08/2004, 1:00 PM

Particularly like this bit - "and before ye go on i know there names and they are the main boys because me cousin lives up there and pointed them out to me. scumbags."

It's a mixture of hoolie book speak and Corkie anti-Dub chip on the shoulder nonsense. Great stuff. :D
Not that hard to spot the classy Burberry caps... :D

Flynninio

19/08/2004, 1:57 PM

burberry is gone out boy every toe rag is wearing them now - and i was just stating the facts about who i knew as i have known these rovers muppets for years going back to the tolka park times and the the older guys that used chase us back then were pointed out to me. i just happen to bump in to this crowd in glasgow who agreed these fella were trouble for years - but the problem is that the kids they picked on have grown up. :D