Shels Mons intrigue.....

[kdjaC]

From Extratime "Some interesting / worrying post match comments from both managers at @shelsfc tonight. Will be on the site soon...."

From PFAI "Hope reports from Shels and Monaghan tonight are untrue. Integrity of the game is crucial."

Wonder what it is ? Any shels mons fans know?

[kdjaC]

JemRacing ‏ @Jem_Racing
Just had a security message, look out for suspicious bets in Shelbourne vs Monaghan match tonight !

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Shels in dodgy betting scandal......shocking!!!!

[Shannonsider]

It is actually nothing got to do with Shelbourne. That is all I can say for now.

[NeverFeltBetter]

Wonder what the hell this is. It's keeping me up for a little while anyway.

[NeverFeltBetter]

http://www.extratime.ie/newsdesk/articles/8003/betting-allegation-overshadows-league-clash/

[BonnieShels]

Christ.

[aidz1]

Didn't see anything irregular in front of me tonight. mons were crap in the 1st half but somehow managed to go in 0-0 at Ht. 2nd half we were much better. took the lead but failed to close the game out losing 2 goals to record another defeat. :(

[NeverFeltBetter]

Collins said: “I knew before the game. One of the players had a text from his girlfriend saying that there was irregular betting on a penalty. But I didn’t know."

What was the penalty in the game like? Any dispute over it?

[BonnieShels]

Wasn't at the game but over on Shelschat the lads are saying it was as stonewall as stonewall can be.

[micls]

Well if they players were warned before the game, they'd have to be thick as can be to continue with any 'plan', so I'd imagine it was abandoned.

[bullit]

Was there a game last season or the season before when Shels or there opponents were also accused of some sort of betting fix ??

[CSFShels]

This is out of the blue and very vague.

[Hibs4Ever]

Wasn't at the game but over on Shelschat the lads are saying it was as stonewall as stonewall can be.



Maybe a lot of money went on a penalty to be scored in the game so

[SkStu]

Was there a game last season or the season before when Shels or there opponents were also accused of some sort of betting fix ??

Yeah, in the cup against some minnows iirc.

[OneForTheFuture]

I have heard its Mons who were up to something.

Makes sense as it was Shels to be awarded a peno. Sure Philly tries to dive for penos every week;)

[BonnieShels]

Yeah, in the cup against some minnows iirc.

It was against Sheriff YC.
That was super dodge.

[redarmyfaction]

Usual BS, Publicity Powers and Co trying to their faces in the news

[BonnieShels]

Wanna try that in English...

[Dodge]

By doing and saying nothing how are the bookies trying to get publicity? The last people who want to highlight anything being fixed is bookies. Completely against their interests

Not saying there's anything to this.

[born2bwild]

What was the penalty in the game like? Any dispute over it?
I was ten metres from it at pitch side. Definitely a penalty.

Sounds like this was knocked on the head before the match anyway - if the managers knew about it at kick off that would have put an end to it, wouldn't it?

[Dodge]

Depends what the bet was. If it was for a booking or to be drawing at half time etc etc

Loads of bets than can be made that don't neccesarily effect the final result (I know it's not in a vacuum)

[redarmyfaction]

LOI markets are generally too thin especially on the derivative side, to get on in a significant enough way to justify organising a fix. Even if you get on and it comes off chances are your local punters pal will cite irregular betting patterns and refuse to pay out.

[JC_GUFC]

LOI markets are generally too thin especially on the derivative side, to get on in a significant enough way to justify organising a fix. Even if you get on and it comes off chances are your local punters pal will cite irregular betting patterns and refuse to pay out.

Give one example of that ever having happened.

[KevB76]

Betting on a penalty when Graham Kelly is reffing. Nothing at all suspicious about it.

[redarmyfaction]

Give one example of that ever having happened.

Bet Fred knocked back Barney Curley for a million euros last year when no foul play was involved if you want more examples then google is your friend.

[Dave_SRFC]

It took 21 months but betfred paid up in the end.

[redarmyfaction]

It took 21 months but betfred paid up in the end.

I didn't see that. It is standard practice in the event of irregular betting patterns being discovered for bookmakers and exchanges to suspend payment pending an investigation and even if corruption not been proved they can still refuse to pay.

[askmehoop]

Yeah, in the cup against some minnows iirc.

dont think it was the one against Bohs, may have been the Sherrif game

[Hibs4Ever]

dont think it was the one against Bohs, may have been the Sherrif game


That was lame

[askmehoop]

That was lame

stop nicking my posts

[horton]

http://www.shelbournefc.ie/news.php?id=2150 - For some reason I can't copy the text.

Not a good week for Shels. They've also been fined 200 yoyo's for fans chants about senor members of the FAI. How bad could they be? I'd hazard a guess that certain players would be on the receiving end of worse stick most weekends from opposing fans?

[osarusan]

"They always cheat, they always lie, **** Delaney and the FAI"

I believe that's the chant, and never a truer word spoken.

(Mods: Hopefully this isn't creating trouble for the site).

[JC_GUFC]

I didn't see that. It is standard practice in the event of irregular betting patterns being discovered for bookmakers and exchanges to suspend payment pending an investigation and even if corruption not been proved they can still refuse to pay.

There is no truth whatsoever in the last bit you've written. If there's an investigation and nothing is uncovered they're obliged to pay. Look up the Maguire snooker match in the World Champs from about 5 years ago. There was an investigation that took about 3 years which eventually found no evidence of foul play. Bookmarkers had to pay on that result.

[Sean South]

"They always cheat, they always lie, **** Delaney and the FAI"

I believe that's the chant, and never a truer word spoken.

(Mods: Hopefully this isn't creating trouble for the site).
I don't think its the worst chant you'll ever hear at football its ok for the FAI to fine Shels for that but they ignore Shams singing the elephant song to Ndo or when Shams were singing against Dundalk " Louis Kilcoyne's wife's a widow. He's been replaced by a dildo"

[Shannonsider]

I was ten metres from it at pitch side. Definitely a penalty.

Sounds like this was knocked on the head before the match anyway - if the managers knew about it at kick off that would have put an end to it, wouldn't it?

But maybe the bet put on by a Monaghan player that Monaghan would concide a penalty?

[redarmyfaction]

There is no truth whatsoever in the last bit you've written. If there's an investigation and nothing is uncovered they're obliged to pay. Look up the Maguire snooker match in the World Champs from about 5 years ago. There was an investigation that took about 3 years which eventually found no evidence of foul play. Bookmarkers had to pay on that result.

A bookmaker is never obliged to pay, people get knocked back for all sorts of spurious reasons the only come back you have is to object to the renewal of his licence to the local super, but if he has something in his rules that allows non payment them you are on a hiding to nothing.

[Dodge]

So, getting back to JC's point. When has a LOI bet not been honoured?

Seriously, people are living in a dream world if they don't think fixing goes on in our league, and every other league in the world too.

[passerrby]

A guy told me at the weekend that he backed someone from the fa cup final for man of the match and when the player was announced as MOTM he was trilled but then told by the bookies that he was not there MOTM so would not be paying out, ever heard of that before?.

[Dodge]

Nope, sounds completely bogus. For things like the world cup there's an official MOTM, and the reputable bookies will say "settled on official MOTM" or they'll name a TV station (eg ITV and ESPN both covered the FA Cup final, they may have given seperte awards.

but letting a bookie choose sounds like a scam

[marinobohs]

But maybe the bet put on by a Monaghan player that Monaghan would concide a penalty?

Appears the bet(s) was/were concerning Monaghan conceding a penalty. Couple of points, given the vast array of bets possible nowadays (everything from throw ins to colour of jersey seems to be fair game) Bookies leave themselves open to fraud. not to justify it ever but a player can arrange a dodgy bet without jepordising his teams chance of winning.

A further point is that the market for betting on LOI games is very small and almost any significant bet(s) will result in an inquiry. This is exacerbated by the fact that there are often decent odds to be found in LOI given the limited knowledge of those setting the odds (as opposed to EPL or racing).


Personally believe any player caught betting on his own team should be banned for life (irrespective of outcome) but very difficult to prevent third party betting.

[redarmyfaction]

So, getting back to JC's point. When has a LOI bet not been honoured?

Seriously, people are living in a dream world if they don't think fixing goes on in our league, and every other league in the world too.

I didn't say that I knew of Loi bets being dishonoured, I said that any organisers of a scam would find it hard to get on and hard to get paid.

You would have to tramp around the last one shop independents in remote areas writing dockets for relatively small amounts in a shop that might not see a Loi bet all week, when a strange man in a leather jacket and shades arrives in and starts asking about exotics in a shells mons game, they will prolly ring plod. They get suspicious you if order a pint in those Towns. You have more chance of getting a sore asre in the woods as getting paid in those parts.

[CrowdedHouse]

On a kind of a side note - What's the Mons EGM tonight about ?

[MiniMourinho]

Seen that on twitter. Can only assume it is bad news at such late notice?

[Shannonsider]

On a kind of a side note - What's the Mons EGM tonight about ?

About the fact they are so **** that the opposition tried to fix a game and they still couldn't win.

[Magicme]

Here you go Crowdedhouse: Mons Meeting (http://www.extratime.ie/newsdesk/articles/8035/mons-make-funding-appeal/)

[OneForTheFuture]

Sounds like the perfect time for some dodgy betting?

[Eminence Grise]

Almost a fortnight since the opening post here, and Cecelia Keaveney has responded with customary Fianna Fail alacrity with a letter in today's Irish Times:

Sir, – Given the recent publicity generated by Monaghan United’s defeat to Shelbourne, will Ireland waken up and actively decide to protect sport? To date the favoured response is the game of “head in the sand”; it does not happen in Ireland.
'Factually, UEFA has been informed of irregular betting patterns on last week’s defeat of Monaghan United by Shelbourne, which now casts a shadow over the Airtricity League.

'Match fixing is a serious international scourge. Ireland is not immune. Will the media and those in sporting authority in Ireland begin to treat it with the respect it deserves or remain complicit in their silence?'
(The rest, self-serving verbiage, is here: http://www.irishtimes.com/letters/)

Anybody from either club with an internal view of this feel like penning a response?

[BonnieShels]

I'm surprised the loi hating sectors of the media never jumped on it initially.
Obviously there were suspicions but in fairness to the clubs they handled it well. Especially Roddy.
Though in saying that, my own club have prior in this so should be well able to deal with it at this stage.

[marinobohs]

Almost a fortnight since the opening post here, and Cecelia Keaveney has responded with customary Fianna Fail alacrity with a letter in today's Irish Times:

Sir, – Given the recent publicity generated by Monaghan United’s defeat to Shelbourne, will Ireland waken up and actively decide to protect sport? To date the favoured response is the game of “head in the sand”; it does not happen in Ireland.
'Factually, UEFA has been informed of irregular betting patterns on last week’s defeat of Monaghan United by Shelbourne, which now casts a shadow over the Airtricity League.

'Match fixing is a serious international scourge. Ireland is not immune. Will the media and those in sporting authority in Ireland begin to treat it with the respect it deserves or remain complicit in their silence?'
(The rest, self-serving verbiage, is here: http://www.irishtimes.com/letters/)

Anybody from either club with an internal view of this feel like penning a response?

The alledged betting coup was discovered and prevented. Shows that whatever shortcomings exist in other areas the procedures in place prevented this scenario - actually a success story for LOI admin (there had to be one eventually ;))

Apart from banning all LOI players,coaches, players friends, family, neighbours etc etc from ever placing bets I am not sure what 'action' people want. As I stated previously I think players should not bet on LOI games at all but with internet and third party betting this would be almost impossible to apply.

[JC_GUFC]

The alledged betting coup was discovered and prevented. Shows that whatever shortcomings exist in other areas the procedures in place prevented this scenario - actually a success story for LOI admin (there had to be one eventually ;))

Apart from banning all LOI players,coaches, players friends, family, neighbours etc etc from ever placing bets I am not sure what 'action' people want. As I stated previously I think players should not bet on LOI games at all but with internet and third party betting this would be almost impossible to apply.

Spot on - I think the FAI dealt with this very well, better than any other FA I've ever heard of. I'm pretty sure there are rules that players can't bet on ANY games in competitions their team is involved in.

What does she expect the FAI to do?