Alan Moore for Ireland Squad [Archive]

Shelsman

09/08/2004, 12:28 PM

Has Alan Moore done enough for a recall for the Ireland Squad? ( 3 goals in Champions League Qualifiers ).

I know that the return leg will be on the same day as the Ireland v Bulgaria match ( or maybe the day before ) so this would rule him out regardless, but if the matches didn't clash, do you think he should've been called up?

thecorner

09/08/2004, 12:30 PM

he shows a small bit of form and u want him in the irish squad

tell him join the q and do it on a regular basis

Shelsman

09/08/2004, 12:57 PM

pete

09/08/2004, 1:25 PM

Fair point. But lets hear no more talk of yer man O'Flynn for Ireland in that case ( especially given his scoring ratio in the Intertoto Cup ). Good player, but certainly not in good form this season.

I agree with you :eek:

Haven't seen Moore in the flesh so can't comment on his overall game. He certainly looks like new player of the season but will need to keep the form going against Deportivo to get into irish squad.

tiktok

09/08/2004, 1:57 PM

Has Alan Moore done enough for a recall for the Ireland Squad?

If Moore (and Hoolahan for that matter) impress against Deportivo I don't see any reason they shouldn't be considered, I thought they were the best two players on the field last wednesday (although Heary was excellent).
Moore has been capped before and is relatively experienced.
Hoolahan kept Andy Reid warming the bench at U21 level.
Add good performances against World class competition and the fact that both are mid-season as opposed to just back in training and that'd be enough for me to seriously consider it.

Slash/ED

09/08/2004, 2:01 PM

I'd have Hoolahan in before Moore if I was picking one mid fielder from Shels to be called up, he's been fantastic all season long.

tarzan_bray

09/08/2004, 2:17 PM

If Moore (and Hoolahan for that matter) impress against Deportivo I don't see any reason they shouldn't be considered, I thought they were the best two players on the field last wednesday (although Heary was excellent).
Moore has been capped before and is relatively experienced.
Hoolahan kept Andy Reid warming the bench at U21 level.
Add good performances against World class competition and the fact that both are mid-season as opposed to just back in training and that'd be enough for me to seriously consider it.

That's interesting about Hoolahan keeping Reid out at U-21 level as I think they both are very similar players in build and ability, hopefully in 5 years our best players will ply their trade here than in the lower divisions of England

Macy

09/08/2004, 2:23 PM

I'd have Hoolahan in before Moore if I was picking one mid fielder from Shels to be called up, he's been fantastic all season long.
Thought Hoolahan gave the ball away very cheaply against split, if thats the critea being laid down. Infairness though, I haven't seen enough of him over the season to pass to much comment overall.

Pablo

09/08/2004, 2:30 PM

Bulgaria squad out today isnt it?

Pablo

09/08/2004, 2:32 PM

indeed it is
FAI.IE

Squad: Given (Newcastle United), Colgan (Barnsley), Kenny (Sheffield United), Finnan (Liverpool), Cunningham (Birmingham City), O'Brien (Newcastle United), Maybury (Hearts), O'Shea (Manchester United), Carr (Tottenham Hotspur), Doherty (Tottenham Hotspur), Breen (Sunderland), Miller (Manchester United), Quinn (Sheffield United), Keane (Manchester United), Holland (Charlton Athletic), Kavanagh (Cardiff City), Reid (Nottingham Forest), Barrett (Coventry City), Kilbane (EVerton), Duff (Chelsea), Lee (Cardiff City), Morrison (Birmingham City), Connolly (Leicester City).
i's imagine a few will pull out of that and maybe Moore will get the call

S�C

09/08/2004, 2:38 PM

indeed it is
FAI.IE

Squad: Colgan (Barnsley), Maybury (Hearts), Barrett (Coventry City)
The first two boys dont play at a "high" level but have never let Ireland down. Barrett is extreemly over rated and doesnt even make the Coventry team every week. Have seen him made look pretty poor by the likes of O'Flynn, Hoolhan and others in the past.

Hoolhan, Moore and perhaps Fenn cant be far off call ups if some players do withdraw.

Shelsman

09/08/2004, 5:10 PM

Hoolhan, Moore and perhaps Fenn cant be far off call ups if some players do withdraw.

Fenn has a great touch but is too damn lazy to deserve a call up.

eoinh

09/08/2004, 5:47 PM

Has Alan Moore done enough for a recall for the Ireland Squad? ( 3 goals in Champions League Qualifiers ).

After watching the Split game on TV i did suggest it on here in a thread. Him and hoolihan did shine in the match!

thecorner

09/08/2004, 6:18 PM

I think murphy (cork) is a better leftback than maybury.

already a legend

9 of this squad playing their football outside the premiership

time for kerr to look a little closer to home

eoinh

09/08/2004, 6:36 PM

murphy has fantastic control, the right level of agression and is very intelligent in his play.

he doesnt lash the ball up the park -if its a long ball, its really a long pass!

CuanaD

09/08/2004, 7:11 PM

indeed it is
FAI.IE

Squad: Colgan (Barnsley), Kenny (Sheffield United), Finnan (Liverpool), Cunningham (Birmingham City), O'Brien (Newcastle United), Maybury (Hearts), Carr (Tottenham Hotspur), Doherty (Tottenham Hotspur), Breen (Sunderland), Quinn (Sheffield United), Holland (Charlton Athletic), Kavanagh (Cardiff City), Reid (Nottingham Forest), Barrett (Coventry City), Kilbane (EVerton), Lee (Cardiff City), Morrison (Birmingham City), Connolly (Leicester City).

Its not just Moore, look at the above - ive taken out the 'best' players - can you honestly say that we couldn't replace most or all of the above with players from the eL without lowering the quality of the squad.

blobbyblob

09/08/2004, 7:19 PM

can you honestly say that we couldn't replace most or all of the above with players from the eL without lowering the quality of the squad.

Yes! Credit where credit is due.

eirebhoy

09/08/2004, 7:34 PM

Come on people, you are really overrating the standard of our league. Alan Moore is a player that couldn't get into the Burnley team (he started just 15 games in 3 seasons), when he played he never stood out as he does at Shels. All that shows is the English division 1 is a higher standard than the Eircom league. As for some saying he played well against "World class opposition". First of all Split are not World Class and secondly, once Shels play well their best players usually do play well. If he was a RB holding his own against someone like Duff he deserves credit or if he played well and the rest of the team played atrocious he deserves extra credit but not a central midfielder.

Anyway, does Ireland actually need any more central midfielders or left midfielders for that matter? Kerr knows the LOI more than most so we'll leave it to him.

Slash/ED

09/08/2004, 7:55 PM

Were talking about Moore based on his performances in europe, so what he's done says nothing about the standard of the league as he's barley played in it.

eirebhoy

09/08/2004, 8:07 PM

Were talking about Moore based on his performances in europe, so what he's done says nothing about the standard of the league as he's barley played in it.
Of course it does. He couldn't make the Burnley team and now he is one of Shelbournes best players.

eoinh

09/08/2004, 8:25 PM

From World Soccer - maybe you should read the whole article.

Heres one small section -Foreigners who cant adapt to English Football are Trashed as worthless. Milan Baraos? Hopeles. Helder Postiga? Useless. Juan Sebastian Veron? Forget it. Cant play, any of them. Juan Pablo Angelhas stuck with it for four years, brave foolish, lad, and now seems to have adapted. Probabaly at the expense of his career with Columbia. Worth considering, all of that. So Postiga helps to eliminate England from Euro 2004, and Baros topscores. How can that be? who is out of step here? The english game or the entire rest of the world?

A greta article about why its wrong to make the assumptions you are making eirebhoy.

Desailly has told us that English football "is too agressive, to the point im obliged to force myself to be bad. But its the only solution if you dont want to be eaten up.

Karembeu said he found the football "amateurish - it is as though teams are making things up as they go along all the time".

I saw the goals from the charity shield -none the result of good play - all the result of terrible defending.

World Soccer August - you should read it. take your english blinkers off

Slash/ED

09/08/2004, 8:27 PM

Of course it does. He couldn't make the Burnley team and now he is one of Shelbournes best players.

It was mainly injuries that halted his Burnley career though.

onceahoop

09/08/2004, 8:48 PM

His whole career has been blighted by injury it seems. He was given a good contract at Middlesboro and was doing well until injured. I think it's abit premature to say he shuld be in the Irish squad. Given time though and on the basis that Jason Byrne has made it he has a chance ifhe can maintain his form.

tiktok

09/08/2004, 9:03 PM

As for some saying he played well against "World class opposition". First of all Split are not World Class

that was me and I was referring to Deportivo, not Hadjuk. As I said then, If Moore and Hoolahan were to impress against Depor, adding what I know about them I think they both could be worth a look.

eirebhoy

09/08/2004, 9:53 PM

I want just as much as anyone for Ireland to have a very high standard league but we have to be realistic. We've seen so many promising players go from the Eircom league and fail in the English 3rd divison (most of the Carlisle team).

Veron, Postiga, etc. play in league's a lot different to the English league's. The LOI is pretty much the same style as English football.

Slash/ED

09/08/2004, 10:08 PM

I want just as much as anyone for Ireland to have a very high standard league but we have to be realistic. We've seen so many promising players go from the Eircom league and fail in the English 3rd divison (most of the Carlisle team).

Richie Foran was the only top promising player who went to Carlisle and he succeded in style in his first season before his own problems messed that up.

tiktok

10/08/2004, 7:17 AM

We've seen so many promising players go from the Eircom league and fail in the English 3rd divison (most of the Carlisle team).

And recently we've seen Noel Hunt and others make a name for themselves in Scotland, but we're not batting an eyelid that Maybury has been included from that league even though he's far from impressed

drummerboy

10/08/2004, 8:46 AM

Watched Dunfermaline on Setanta over the weekend. They had 3 ex EL players in their side, Dempsey, Hunt and Richie Byrne.

The Shels players like Byrne and Moore, have a chance to show Brian Kerr that they can perform at the highest level and it doesn't really get any higher than Deportivo. It should settle the debate about EL players playing for ROI once and for all.

pete

10/08/2004, 9:30 AM

I think the only thing all this proves is that can't generalise leagues. Dempsey was in 1st division with Waterford & a first teamer in Scotland, Richie Byrne was only average eL player & he also 1st teamer.

Shelsman

10/08/2004, 12:23 PM

Heres one small section -Foreigners who cant adapt to English Football are Trashed as worthless. Milan Baraos? Hopeles. Helder Postiga? Useless. Juan Sebastian Veron? Forget it. Cant play, any of them. Juan Pablo Angelhas stuck with it for four years, brave foolish, lad, and now seems to have adapted. Probabaly at the expense of his career with Columbia. Worth considering, all of that. So Postiga helps to eliminate England from Euro 2004, and Baros topscores. How can that be? who is out of step here? The english game or the entire rest of the world?

Very interesting. How about Jon Dahl Tomasson -flop at Newcastle but went to Feyenoord and won the UEFA Cup ( scoring twice in the final I think ). Several other good players came to the Premiership and flopped e.g. the Ukranian player at Spurs who was sh!t hot in the Champions League before that, the list goes on.