View Full Version : FAI force SRFCTV to end service
MariborKev
04/04/2012, 7:25 PM
Story here (bit.ly/HVOXkj)
Complete nonsense by the FAI.
A club's fans decide to give up their own time and equipment to provide coverage for those that can't be there
The club have no issue with it
They don't go "head to head" with traditional media
They don't break the "curfew" on highlights
And yet the FAI strongarm the club/service.......:mad:
bluewhitearmy
04/04/2012, 7:29 PM
They actually get worse and worse complete shower of absolute clowns.
RTE have most of Shams matches live anyways so no big deal.:p
Such a load of utter nonsense. Did they do the same to Shelstv?
Both provide a great service and I don't think much damage is done in a commercial sense to be honest.
That is an absolutely dreadful decision.
The Lilywhites
04/04/2012, 7:49 PM
Total nonsense but then it's the FAI.
What is the story with having to get permission on a match by match basis to do just commentary now? Does that affect radio stations too?
Wonder if we gonna get asked to get permission for the Pats one.
Also wonder who the rights holder for internet broadcasts is, if there even is one.
born2bwild
04/04/2012, 8:07 PM
What possible justification could the FAI have for such a decision?
Charlie Darwin
04/04/2012, 8:12 PM
What possible justification could the FAI have for such a decision?
Probably missed seeing their names in the papers.
The only semi-reasonable reason they could have would be if they'd sold the online streaming rights to another company, but even so that'd be best served with a smooth transition rather than just cutting the service. Plus as if the FAI could organise online streaming.
born2bwild
04/04/2012, 8:16 PM
Their names were in the papers this week with that abandoned minute's silence....hmmmm....
What possible justification could the FAI have for such a decision?
They are arseholes?
Riduculous stuff as usual.
jafrazer
04/04/2012, 8:20 PM
They don't break the "curfew" on highlights
They did. The full Shels match was available in full online all weekend before MNS. I'd imagine that that was the main issue.
MariborKev
04/04/2012, 8:35 PM
Fair enough Ja, I was going with what their statement said.
very poor form from the FAIlures.
mypost
04/04/2012, 8:38 PM
The Shels game was not the first game to be available online after games.
The FAI are only looking out for their own interests. It's common practice for other FA's to operate similar policies. The difference here is games are shown here 70 hours after the final whistle, when in most other countries, coverage is shown a couple of hours later at most. Unfortunately in this league, there is just one main broadcaster, and whatever they want, they get, be it live coverage or highlights. We are all subject to that situation, and we have to accept it.
The Shels game was not the first game to be available online after games.
The FAI are only looking out for their own interests. It's common practice for other FA's to operate similar policies. The difference here is games are shown here 70 hours after the final whistle, when in most other countries, coverage is shown a couple of hours later at most. Unfortunately in this league, there is just one main broadcaster, and whatever they want, they get, be it live coverage or highlights. .
Which is exactly why they should show some ****ing cop on and allow set ups like SRFCTV to operate in a sort of grey area plugging the gaps that the official service just cannot cater for. If they overstep the line, eg. the game being available in full straight after full time, just have a quick word and remedy the problem.
The FAI's problem is that they are professional in all the wrong ways, and largely unprofessional in every area that actually counts.
L.T.F.C.
04/04/2012, 9:30 PM
Don't disagree with the decision. FAI have a deal with RTÉ for exclusive rights, so they were right.
daithifla
04/04/2012, 9:48 PM
Don't disagree with the decision. FAI have a deal with RTÉ for exclusive rights, so they were right.
FAI pay RTE to show matches not RTE paying them so the decision is a joke.
A face
04/04/2012, 9:51 PM
No sign of a statement from the FAI or League on this yet, or at least nothing on here (http://www.airtricityleague.ie/) or on here (http://www.fai.ie/index.php)
L.T.F.C.
04/04/2012, 10:03 PM
FAI pay RTE to show matches not RTE paying them so the decision is a joke.
Ah sound... Off with their heads!
Dodge
04/04/2012, 11:00 PM
Don't disagree with the decision. FAI have a deal with RTÉ for exclusive rights, so they were right.
RTE don't have exclusive rights. Setanta will show games
If they had the full game up to watch, then they ballsed up
EDIT; Just to be clear, I'm not defending the FAI here, its a stupid decision
mypost
04/04/2012, 11:45 PM
What is the story with having to get permission on a match by match basis to do just commentary now? Does that affect radio stations too?
Probably not, but when Newstalk broadcast live radio commentaries on LOI and Ireland games years ago, RTE complained to the FAI. You dont have to be a genius to know who won and lost that battle. They run the show.
gufcfan
05/04/2012, 12:50 AM
If they had the full game up to watch, then they ballsed up
Don't agree, they should be allowed do what they like. RTÉ didn't even want to do MNS in the first place. THREE EFFING DAYS it takes to see highlights. It's a joke.
They did. The full Shels match was available in full online all weekend before MNS. I'd imagine that that was the main issue.
The statement says they didn't break the highlights embargo. They may be arguing that the full match isn't a breach of that. Stupid if they are.
Much as I hate the current FAI regime, I'll reserve judgment until it's confirmed if it's a FAI solo run or a complaint from RTE. As mentioned, it was RTE that scuppered the newstalk coverage on the radio, and within (what felt like anyway) a few years RTE had stopped their own radio coverage on Friday nights. Regardless, I think it's the wrong and short sighted decision by the FAI. It's not like their selling the bloody rights!
Don't agree, they should be allowed do what they like. RTÉ didn't even want to do MNS in the first place. THREE EFFING DAYS it takes to see highlights. It's a joke.
That wasn't my point. They know they're allowed have the footage up, and they had the footage up.
thats the ballsing up bit.
(if it was what was compained about)
marinobohs
05/04/2012, 8:44 AM
Probably missed seeing their names in the papers.
The only semi-reasonable reason they could have would be if they'd sold the online streaming rights to another company, but even so that'd be best served with a smooth transition rather than just cutting the service. Plus as if the FAI could organise online streaming.
There is currently no deal prohibiting SRFCTV service that I am aware of and if they are about to sign some lucrative deal then surely a phasing out period or move to highlights could be agreed with SRFCTV ?
Probobly even more annoying than the decision (which appears stupid) is the complete lack of any justification or even explanation.
Pure idle speculation here- but maybe RTE looking for wiggle room on their commitment to show more and more live games? Especially since they have started showing PRO12 rugby since that deal was signed.
HulaHoop
05/04/2012, 9:56 AM
Pure idle speculation here- but maybe RTE looking for wiggle room on their commitment to show more and more live games? Especially since they have started showing PRO12 rugby since that deal was signed.
This has not come following a complaint from RTE, this is a solo run from the FAI (although they will probably try to claim otherwise). RTE has actually been very supportive of SRTV and even featured the lads who do it on Nationwide last year.
On the broader point this decision from the FAI will not put a stop to live streaming but it might well be under a different more unofficial guise.
What that **** Fran Gavin doesn't seem to realise is that it is near impossible to prevent someone streaming games live on the internet. Most smartphones these days can record HD 720p video and there are many apps on the market that enable live straming with the touch of a button. For example the ustream.tv (what SRFCTV use) app on my phone has the ability to "Go Live" and stream whatever I point my phone at that moment in time. I could stream the entire 90 minutes tomorrow night and there isn't a thing the FAI can do about it short of banning mobile phones in every ground.
Straightstory
05/04/2012, 10:19 AM
Ridiculous from the FAI.
Also ridiculous is that the live game on RTE on Friday nights is broadcast while the rest of the league programme is being played at venues all around the country at the same time. Can't believe that happens in any other country. Can you imagine Sky showing live matches at 3 o'clock on a Saturday afternoon?
Rovers' stream is harmless compared to that.
marinobohs
05/04/2012, 10:52 AM
Simple enough issue for me -
Is SRFCTV coverage doing damage to FAI brokered deals ? If Yes explain if No leave the thing alone.
Is the coverage interferring with potential support/customers ? No (presuming SRFC do not have different opinion)
Is coverage bad for the game overall ? certainly not, opening game to many that cannot attend.
is it just the FAI poking their noses in for the sake of it ? If only volunteers streaming match coverage was the only problem the League faced :rolleyes:.
brendy_éire
05/04/2012, 12:01 PM
I'm just surprised it took this long for the FAI to say anything about it.
Always thought SRFCTV was on a bit of a dodgy footing when it came to rights.
Assuming it wasn't RTÉ that prompted the decision, would there be a possibility of the volunteers continuing their work but under the auspices of the FAI?
Dodge
05/04/2012, 12:13 PM
Assuming it wasn't RTÉ that prompted the decision, would there be a possibility of the volunteers continuing their work but under the auspices of the FAI?
Presume the lads would rightly tell the FAi to go stuff themselves.
Does that leave Pats as the only audio commentary left? SLigo, Derry and Dundalk's games all covered by local stations. I know others did it for a bit, any still around?
Harps radio still provides audio commentary in a calm, informed and professional manner.
Bohs still have live audio for most games. And a text service for all games.
gufcfan
05/04/2012, 3:57 PM
Bohs still have live audio for most games. And a text service for all games.
You lads are next. You're in competition with RTÉ.ie. :rolleyes:
Lim till i die
05/04/2012, 4:49 PM
Was SRFCTV part of the club or was it seperate??
If it was part of the club why didn't the club tell Fran to produce an agreement or **** off??
What's he gonna do, throw Rovers out of the league??
nigel-harps1954
06/04/2012, 12:11 AM
Meh, I say go ahead and keep broadcasting. Theres nout the FAI can do about it if SRFCTV aren't officially affiliated with the club themselves.
gormacha
06/04/2012, 12:16 PM
As the FAI hold the rights to the broadcasting of their league, something that everybody connected to this issue would know, I wonder did anyone approach the FAI about this before SRFCTV began broadcasting? Genuinely curious. Or did SRFCTV just expect that it would be ok?
I'm not saying its right or wrong, but surely no-one could be surprised that the rights holders would object?
MariborKev
08/04/2012, 11:58 PM
Perhaps the FAI just wanted to spare SRFCTV viewers the embarrasment of Friday?
I take it all back, fair play Fran Gavin.
kdjaC
09/04/2012, 12:01 PM
As the FAI hold the rights to the broadcasting of their league, something that everybody connected to this issue would know, I wonder did anyone approach the FAI about this before SRFCTV began broadcasting? Genuinely curious. Or did SRFCTV just expect that it would be ok?
I'm not saying its right or wrong, but surely no-one could be surprised that the rights holders would object?
I approached them but for Audio only, we dont do video for various reasons.
L.T.F.C.
09/04/2012, 12:06 PM
Maybe it was part of the agreement with RTÉ? We pay you and you get exclusive rights?
MariborKev
09/04/2012, 12:12 PM
Maybe it was part of the agreement with RTÉ? We pay you and you get exclusive rights?
But they don't. BBC NI/UTV show highlights from Derry matches on Monday night news programmes.
monkey9
09/04/2012, 12:43 PM
Plus, what does matter about exclusive rights!!! It's not like tv viewing figures for LOI football is through the roof!
L.T.F.C.
10/04/2012, 10:07 AM
Plus, what does matter about exclusive rights!!! It's not like tv viewing figures for LOI football is through the roof!
Viewer figures are totally irrelevant. An agreement is an agreement. And we don't know if they don't. And I'm sure the rules are different for Derry.
HulaHoop
10/04/2012, 10:42 AM
Viewer figures are totally irrelevant. An agreement is an agreement. And we don't know if they don't. And I'm sure the rules are different for Derry.
There isn't an exclusive agreement with RTE. Setanta and TG4 can and have shown LOI matches. The agreement the FAI have with RTE is for coverage of International matches, part of this agreement compels RTE to have a LOI highlights show and also they must televise a certain number of LOI games a season however any commercial broadcaster can televise a match if they wish. All they need to do is send a request to the FAI/clubs
Dodge
10/04/2012, 10:52 AM
TG4 haven't shown LOI games in 4 years (or since the last TV deal)
HulaHoop
10/04/2012, 12:48 PM
TG4 haven't shown LOI games in 4 years (or since the last TV deal)
Last TV deal negotiated in 2007
http://www.independent.ie/sport/soccer/fai-push-eircom-league-in-bartering-tv-deal-1252788.html
By Daniel McDonnell
Saturday December 22 2007
THE securing of a weekly highlights show for the Eircom League was a deal breaker in negotiations between the FAI and RTE which concluded with yesterday's announcement of an extended four-year contract between the national broadcaster and the football association.
In a deal worth €20m, RTE are now guaranteed live TV and radio coverage of all Ireland home competitive internationals up to and including the World Cup 2014 with rte.ie also permitted to webcast each of these games. RTE will also have deferred access to all home friendlies during this period.
FAI officials were thrilled with the outcome having lobbied strongly for increased coverage of the League of Ireland by using the bargaining chip of the international games.
RTE's live game output will gradually increase over the term of the contract and by 2013, the final year of the term, there will be 33 games broadcast which equates to one match per week of the regulation season.
Yet the news which enthused Eircom League followers was the announcement of a brand new weekly one-hour highlights programme.
This has long been a target of League officials who believe that a snappy highlights programme is far more beneficial than the exposure that comes from some of the live games.
While the new production's place in the schedule is not yet confirmed, it's understood that a sometime between 7-9.0 on Monday has been earmarked.
Understandably, there was some disquiet in the headquarters of TV3 yesterday as the announcement came as a surprise to them.
Criticism
In recent years, they have provided the only highlights programme for the League in the form of Eircom League Weekly although there has been criticism of its late starting time in or around 11.30. The commercial broadcaster is believed to be unhappy that they were given no opportunity to bid for the TV rights on this occasion.
They still have a deal in place for a highlights package and it remains to be seen how the new circumstances of RTE's coverage will affect that.
Meanwhile, Setanta are still committed to showing 15 eircom League games next year and TG4 will broadcast 10 in addition to cup games.
TG4 last showed games in 2009.
http://www.galwayunitedfc.ie/TG4-cameras-set-for-Terryland
TG4 cameras set for Terryland
Thursday, 23 July 2009 21:57
TG4 has confirmed that it will broadcast live coverage of 11 League of Ireland and FAI Ford Cup fixtures this season, beginning with the all-Premier Division cup clash between Dundalk and Bohemians at Oriel Park on August 14th. TG4’s cameras will be at Oriel Park for the fourth round FAI Ford Cup match as the Gypsies and the Lilywhites compete for a place in the quarter finals of this season’s competition.
The following Friday Sacar Beo will be at the Brandywell Stadium for live coverage of Derry City v St. Patrick’s Athletic, while on August 28th Shamrock Rovers’ visit to Terryland Park to face Galway United will be broadcast live on TG4. The station has also confirmed that it will be at the Tallaght Stadium on September 4th when Shamrock Rovers will host St. Patrick’s Athletic.
monkey9
10/04/2012, 12:58 PM
For years, fans have complained about the LOI not getting enough coverage and actually try to be proactive in providing it and promoting the league and are shot down and for what?? I just find it all a joke.
Hopefully the fans keep going though. There are some fantastic commentaries and promotion of games around the country by the fans!
Last TV deal negotiated in 2007
TG4 last showed games in 2009.
Thanks for that. I had both years wrong.
Still though, 2 full seasons since TG4 showed a game. Remember when they were the primary source of live games
Shannonsider
10/04/2012, 1:53 PM
And they wonder why the leagues such a state
gufcfan
10/04/2012, 2:47 PM
It's a pity RTÉ don't put a few clips up on youtube. Promote themselves a bit. That crap quality rip from the rte player of Forrester's second goal on Friday got something like 60 or 70k views. The video on the player is crap to begin with anyway. Such a difference between that and say watching it on RTE 2 HD on saorview on a big telly. Seems like an awful waste.
Vinny O'Connor's highlights of GUFC games were brilliant, close to 10 minutes long. Shels highlights were very good the last time I saw them as well. They aren't a threat to RTE in the least and neither are SRFCTV. RTE probably just don't like being shown up.
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