KKK alive and well in Cork

[max power]

from www.breakingnews.ie

Cork’s army of loyal GAA fans vowed today to rebel against calls to ban the red and white American Confederate flag from matches.

The Socialist Worker’s Party (SWP) claim the flag is racist and insults people from ethnic backgrounds but the Cork County Board insist fans are unaware of its connotations.

A vast red and white sea of flags proudly flutters in the breeze at the Rebel County’s All-Ireland Championship matches, but the SWP is determined to have one of them banned.

Joe Moore, SWP Cork spokesman, said: “We know the county colours are red and white but it’s unfortunate one of the flags being flown is the Confederate flag from America.

“It represents the promotion of racism and slavery but Ireland is a multi-cultural society and such symbols should not be on display.

“Cork is the Rebel County but the name comes from the fight for national independence. The rebel flag comes from a totally different context where people in the US were protecting slavery.”

He believes the Cork board should take on the responsibility of educating fans about its history and then call for a voluntary ban before taking further action.

But the board and supporters have laughed off the calls, claiming supporters have simply chosen the flag for its colours.

Mick Dolan, the board’s vice-chairman, said the idea of banning a certain flag and checking them before games was completely impractical.

“It’s ridiculous, the flag’s just red and white,” he said. “Our fans also wave the Japanese rising sun flag, the Canadian flag, the Ferrari flag, but they mean nothing except for the colours.

“I don’t think the people waving the Confederate flag even know what it stands for and it would certainly not be my place to tell them what flags to use.”

Donncha O’Leary, the owner of Cashman’s pub in Cork city, a popular supporter’s bar, said he was disgusted that GAA fans were being linked to Confederate America and said the SWP should be concentrating on more important issues.

“It’s just about the county colours, the SWP is picking on one flag and don’t have a clue,” he said.

“The local market sells flags from around the world and supporters pick this up but have no idea where it’s from.

“There are more important things to worry about, this is maybe just one flag flown amongst some 30,000.”

The red, blue and white Confederate flag represents the 11 US Southern states which formed a republic in 1861 in order to preserve slavery and states’ rights.

It was associated with the Ku Klux Klan and still sometimes used as a symbol of oppression and racism.

[Pablo]

whats that got to do with City?

[Peadar]

The Socialist Worker’s Party (SWP) claim the flag is racist and insults people from ethnic backgrounds but the Cork County Board insist fans are unaware of its connotations.

If that useless shower of bastads might go away and do a decent days work and pay their tax they'd have less time to be thinking up ways to annoy people over something so bloody trivial and irrelevant!

[max power]

i thought the rebel bit would be of interest if city fans ever flew that flag, which is possible.It also show the PC society we live in.

[fosterdollar]

...i know the first two stands for Kilkenny but what about the third one... i just don't get it...

[WeAreRovers]

From what I understand the same flag flies over many courthouses and buildings in the USA.


Not true, it's illegal to fly the Confederate Flag AFAIK and it is considered racist by most anti-racist/anti hatred groups in the US.

http://www.infoplease.com/spot/confederate1.html

That said, you're right it's a typical SWP non-story. What would be the point in all the Rebel Army/Rebel County nonsense without the Confederate Flag? :confused:

KOH

[Peadar]

it is considered racist by most anti-racist/anti hatred groups in the US.

Maybe the SWP should fúck off over the the US then.
If the SWP were a race then they could call me racist because I despise the crusty bastads!

[GavinZac]

ah come on Peadar the people have spoken Mick Barry topped the polls in CNC :D its just your enjoying your capiltalist-inspired multi-national globetrotting career thats making you say that!

[max power]

ah come on Peadar the people have spoken Mick Barry topped the polls in CNC :D its just your enjoying your capiltalist-inspired multi-national globetrotting career thats making you say that!

na i agree with peadar as well, i love capitalism :D

[ccfcman]

rebel flag for rebel county

[NorthoftheLee]

can someone move this to off topic or else the gaa boards wherever they may be....

what about the dukes of hazard?? are they racist too......?????


its like saying that the tricolour or union jack is a racist flag...they're both used by nationalist front orgs so they must be racist too? right?

[max power]

rebel flag for rebel county

that was the main point i was trying to make at the start

[WeAreRovers]

Maybe the SWP should fúck off over the the US then.
If the SWP were a race then they could call me racist because I despise the crusty bastads!

Something we agree on. ;)

Conor - Take your point about the Confederate Flag and the 1st amendment but plenty of redneck mayors have lost cases where they tried to fly it as the official flag of their particular chithole.

KOH

[thecorner]

any mods around to move this to rubbish and lock it

got fcuk all to do with city or football

[max power]

wondered that myself, if i had known it would take the roadit did i would have put it there in the first place :o

[thecorner]

Would have thought it should be moved to 'off topic'. Why lock it?
COS ITS ****ING RUBBISH :mad:

[liam88]

To be honest it's the way the flag is used/viewed by society that matters.
See a Union Jack in France, Germany, Belgium etc. would represent Britain, the Union Jack on top of Buckingham palaca represents the monarch and the common coneption in ENGLAND of someone with a Union Jack on the front of their house is a racist where as in other European it would have no racist conations at all.
Smilarly a Celtic cross in Irish/Scottish communities stands for the Celtic heritage but wave it at a BNP march and your expressing your support for them.
Taking this view in Cork the confederate flag means Cork GAA support because of it's colours whereas in America it may be seen as racist.

[Snatch]

from www.breakingnews.ie


“Cork is the Rebel County but the name comes from the fight for national independence. The rebel flag comes from a totally different context where people in the US were protecting slavery.”





As it happens I don't think the term "rebel county" comes from the county's fight for Irish independence. However, that is what it is percieved as now and the "Rebel Army" branding has been a idea for City in terms of encouraging cross county support.

Anyway, I doubt the confererate flags would be used for City matches as they're red, white and blue instead of green. However, I think it is important to realise that were they used at European games, they would be perceived as a racist statement.

[Éanna]

I've heard this one before. The point is that people don't wave that flag intending it in a racist manner. So if the intention isn't racist its a non-issue in my opinion. that said, I don't see what great loss it would be if people were to use other flags. non-story- i'm disappointed that a party with an intelligent contribution to make to irish politics has started scraping the barrell for crap like this

[Éanna]

THREAD MOVED, NOTHING TO DO WITH CITY OR FOOTBALL

Éanna

[liam88]

THREAD MOVED, NOTHING TO DO WITH CITY OR FOOTBALL

Éanna

Depends how you use the term football ;)
All seriousness thoug-like I said, I agree with you that it's the manner it is flown in not the fact it is being flown. We just use it for the colours :D

[Peadar]

a party with an intelligent contribution to make to irish politics

I think you missed the word "potential" there Éanna.
They've never actually contributed anything positive to politics in Ireland.

[Peadar]

Think they stopped bin trucks in Finglas and took over the Joe Duffy show for a month once...


I stand corrected, sorry Éanna :D

[liam88]

As it happens I don't think the term "rebel county" comes from the county's fight for Irish independence.
Just out of interest if this is the case where do ya reckon it does derive from?
Crok was certainly at the heart of the fight for Irish independance along with other counties including Tipperary, however, and some would argue "sadly", there is a significant number in Cork who just want to forget this now.

[patsh]

The Rebel County phrase originated in the middle ages when a "pretender to the throne", one Perkin Warbeck, was officially recieved by the mayor of Cork. Am open to correction, but I think this happened in the 1100s.

[Macy]

Just out of interest if this is the case where do ya reckon it does derive from?
Crok was certainly at the heart of the fight for Irish independance along with other counties including Tipperary, however, and some would argue "sadly", there is a significant number in Cork who just want to forget this now.
Yet another example of anti-Longford bias - North Longford Flying Column anyone?

[Peadar]

The term Rebel County was used long before the War of Independence...

I read something with the term being used back when Donal O'Sullivan and his men marched north to join O'Rourke after defeat at Kinsale by the English forces in the 17th Century.

[lopez]

This bloke I knew was at the Sydney Olympics with a friend from Kildare and they had a tricolour removed because it had 'a highly offensive racist and white power message on it.' The message?: 'McVeigh (the surname of my aquaintance and the infamous Oklahoma bomber, Timothy) and the Lillywhites On Tour.' :D

[Peadar]

This bloke I knew was at the Sydney Olympics...

Like Australia isn't full of racists!

[Macy]

Like Australia isn't full of racists!
Give Australia back to the Australians. WHITES OUT!

[Metrostars]

It is legal to fly the confederate flag in the US. Although the flag is seen by some Southerners simply as a symbol of Southern pride, it is often used by racists to represent white domination of African-Americans. The flag remains a subject of controversy because some Southern states still fly the flag from public buildings or incorporate it into their state flag’s design. The flag is also used by racists as an alternative to the American flag, which they consider to be an emblem of what they describe as the Jewish-controlled government.

Would would you think of Dutch fans if they started flying Orange Order flags and banners just because "they are the same colors as our team"?

[Bowsy]

Would would you think of Dutch fans if they started flying Orange Order flags and banners just because "they are the same colors as our team"?

That depends on how you viewed their use of it IMO. If they were using it in someone random game against Belarus or something simply beacuse it's orange that's one thing. If they were using it specifically for a game against Ireland as a means of taunting Irish fans(unlikely) that's something entirely different. It's all in the intent as far as i'm concerned. It's just like some of my friends will call me paddy in a joking context. I accept that as they are friends and i know the spirit in which it was meant. If i'm playing football on a saturday and somebody calls me a f**cking Paddy that's something entirely different as it's a racial slur.
The world is currently far too PC. It's like certain case of English people not being allowed fly their national flag outside their homes because it's deemed to be racist. nonsense.

[dortie]

Who gives a monkies ass.....


Squeel like a pig boy !! :D

[liam88]

Yet another example of anti-Longford bias - North Longford Flying Column anyone?
Sorry ,ate was just naming a couple (which happend to be the two counties ma family are from ;) ) I could include Dundalk, Donegal and a load others, up the LFC and not being a Limerick fan....
All seriousness sorry :)



Would would you think of Dutch fans if they started flying Orange Order flags and banners just because "they are the same colors as our team"?
Good point-didn't think of that one-that would p*ss me off :rolleyes:



The world is currently far too PC.
Ssssh don't let PP cath ya saying that......talking of our man ain't seen him round these parts recently? Anybody?



It's like certain case of English people not being allowed fly their national flag outside their homes because it's deemed to be racist.
Aye you've been watch fantasy football again? :D
Aye, well round England the SJC is 'acceptable' during a Euro/World cup on a house or car, during non-sporting times it's generally associated with council estates, and a butchers apron on the front of house is regarded as bad as running round in a white hood........though strangley round Whitehall and on public buildings it's acceptable :rolleyes:
I remember on St. Patricks day they put a Tri on Luton town hall and the Irish residants were partying while all the English one's went totally mad "my grandad would turn in his grave over in Flanders!"-aye plenty of Irish out there to!
Round here during the Euro Cup one of the houses down the road had a jack, an oz flag and 2 Sjc's on it!
I hung ma tri out the window and got all the inevitable crap......though strangley some the lad's who egged our house during the WC when we had the tri's up now have a Roy Keane Tri on the font of their hous? Does this mean they are Irish............