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geysir
05/03/2012, 8:07 PM
Check out 4:27 for Trapattoni's typical poise on the ball at centre half.
:D

Interesting that 2 of our managers were playing that day and we had slow motion replays before photographers had telephoto lens.

bennocelt
05/03/2012, 8:48 PM
Playing regular football for good clubs in top leagues, many of which with significant European club experience. With respect, Derby, Preston, Sunderland, and Wolves won't be getting too much of it in the near future. Yet those players are expected to go out, and "take the game" to Italy and Spain in a couple of months. Not gonna happen.


Apart from the guy that plays with Napoli, who are you talking about, really? The odd token player here or there.

Crosby87
05/03/2012, 11:39 PM
Also interesting that the Italian goalkeeper Buffon, who had to be carried off unconscious, is a distant cousin of the current Italy #1.

A bunch of Buffoons?

mypost
06/03/2012, 6:05 AM
Apart from the guy that plays with Napoli, who are you talking about, really? The odd token player here or there.

http://foot.ie/threads/156456-Most-disappoint-thing-After-tongiht?p=1530667&viewfull=1#post1530667

There's more than the "odd token player" there.

bennocelt
06/03/2012, 7:51 AM
http://foot.ie/threads/156456-Most-disappoint-thing-After-tongiht?p=1530667&viewfull=1#post1530667

There's more than the "odd token player" there.


Yet you cant name them,lol

Real ale Madrid
06/03/2012, 7:52 AM
So what were the great teams that the players of Slovakia, Armenia,Macedonia and Estonia were playing for?:rolleyes:



Playing regular football for good clubs in top leagues, many of which with significant European club experience. With respect, Derby, Preston, Sunderland, and Wolves won't be getting too much of it in the near future.


Ah come off it - are you seriously trying to tell me that Armenia, Macedonia and Estonia have players that play regular football in top leagues with significant European experience ?? ? Slovakia fair enough have a good side on paper - but for every Weiss, Stoch and Hamsik they have we have plenty top players like Given, Dunne, O'Shea and Duff who should have been more than capable of dictating play much better than we did at home to the aforementioned Slovakians.

I mean if Armenia - with their talented array of top footballers, can beat Slovakia, and all that significant European experience, 7-1 over 2 games - surely we can keep the ball for an extended period of time against the same opposition?

I doubt very much that we will be embarrassed at the euros but if we can't pass and keep the ball to some degree, at home against the likes of Slovakia or even in a friendly against the Czech Republic , then we have very little chance against Croatia, Italy and Spain, come the summer.

The only glimmer of light I have; is the last time this team had their backs against the wall they actually came out and played - and that was Paris. Since then we have done well to beat teams of inferior ability to us, draw twice with Slovakia who I thought were similarly limited going forward to us and struggle big time against a top side like Russia - we play 3 top sides in the summer - the only logical conclusion you can draw from past performances is that we will struggle in each game come the summer.

DannyInvincible
06/03/2012, 10:40 AM
I wouldn't necessarily say we struggled against either Italy or France in the four competitive games we played against them under Trap. Wouldn't they be considered top sides? In Bari, we could have come back with all three points. As it turned out, we got a very much deserved point after what was a very inspiring performance from the team, especially Robbie. When Italy came to Dublin, we'd have had the three points in the bag were it not for St. Ledger's goal giving John O'Shea an inexplicable stoppage-time rush of blood to the head. When France came to Dublin for the play-off, we lost to an optimistic Anelka effort that deflected horribly off St. Ledger. In the return leg, we beat France 1-0 within 90 minutes of normal play. There's no need to remind anyone about how we went down in extra-time.

Just on this "top sides" thing, does the old "we haven't beaten a top side competitively for a decade" give a fair representation of where we are? Is it a fair yardstick by which to measure an international team? I'm not so sure it is. I think it's overly simplistic. How many other teams ranked similarly to us regularly beat higher-ranked opposition, for example? The higher-ranked you are yourself, of course, the harder it will be to beat such opposition; they will be harder to come by and will be relatively stronger. How many competitive games have we actually played against higher-ranked opposition since Holland in 2001?

bennocelt
06/03/2012, 10:54 AM
I wouldn't necessarily say we struggled against either Italy or France in the four competitive games we played against them under Trap. Wouldn't they be considered top sides? In Bari, we could have come back with all three points. As it turned out, we got a very much deserved point after what was a very inspiring performance from the team, especially Robbie. When Italy came to Dublin, we'd have had the three points in the bag were it not for St. Ledger's goal giving John O'Shea an inexplicable stoppage-time rush of blood to the head. When France came to Dublin for the play-off, we lost to an optimistic Anelka effort that deflected horribly off St. Ledger. In the return leg, we beat France 1-0 within 90 minutes of normal play. There's no need to remind anyone about how we went down in extra-time.



Did you not watch that World Cup? Italy and France were pretty woeful, before n after

Hibs4Ever
06/03/2012, 10:54 AM
He still gets an audience, across, tv, radio and print media, so people want to hear from him.




People don't have much of a choice to be honest

DannyInvincible
06/03/2012, 11:47 AM
Did you not watch that World Cup? Italy and France were pretty woeful, before n after

So are Russia the only "top side" we've played against competitively under Trap then? We managed a point against them away; a nerve-wracking one, sure, but a point nonetheless. Our home performance against them started with promise - I recall McGeady, especially, starting well - before our early collapse, but we were quite close to a comeback in that game, eventually losing to just a goal after having been three down. That shows spirit at least and I don't think these two games can necessarily be used to write off our Euros chances before we even get to Poland. A larger sample "area" would be required to give a more reliable prediction of how we can expect our games against "top sides" to go. Anyway, if Italy are indeed as woeful as you claim, that's three points in the bag already. ;)

bennocelt
06/03/2012, 12:05 PM
So are Russia the only "top side" we've played against competitively under Trap then? We managed a point against them away; a nerve-wracking one, sure, but a point nonetheless. Our home performance against them started with promise - I recall McGeady, especially, starting well - before our early collapse, but we were quite close to a comeback in that game, eventually losing to just a goal after having been three down. That shows spirit at least and I don't think these two games can necessarily be used to write off our Euros chances before we even get to Poland. A larger sample "area" would be required to give a more reliable prediction of how we can expect our games against "top sides" to go. Anyway, if Italy are indeed as woeful as you claim, that's three points in the bag already. ;)


Russia, yes, were/are a top team. That was a good result and fair dues there.
Still IMHO I didn't rate either of those French or Italian teams, and the Wcup was good proof of that. New men in charge so cant say about the current French or Italian teams. Still France dont look too great, dont know a whole lot about the new italian team.
Having said all that Croatia are a bit overrated as well, and its very possible to get a result here for the Irish team.

geysir
06/03/2012, 12:10 PM
Slovakia fair enough have a good side on paper - but for every Weiss, Stoch and Hamsik they have we have plenty top players like Given, Dunne, O'Shea and Duff who should have been more than capable of dictating play much better than we did at home to the aforementioned Slovakians.

Dunne and O'Shea are not what you'd call technical players. Our back 4 have a square style of play when with the ball. I suspect you are imagining qualities which do not exist with them. They are not the type of players to dictate the play. Often they are the source of the biggest eye sore, the unprovoked hoofs upfield.
Our best play at present is when we press high up the pitch. Sometimes we start like that, other times the opposition back off after going a goal up.
Where could we start to retain possession better?

DannyInvincible
06/03/2012, 12:20 PM
Still IMHO I didn't rate either of those French or Italian teams, and the Wcup was good proof of that.

Fair enough, although we certainly weren't anywhere near being outplayed by either in any of the four games.

Spudulika
06/03/2012, 12:46 PM
At home against Russia Ireland had the first clear cut chance and were aggressive, attacking and if they'd taken the lead, the visitors would have buckled. At home, Arshavin was running the show (as against Slovakia) but once he got it up him, he drifted from the game and wanted off. The Russian team can match any of the top sides in the World, but they have a poor coach, no plan B and an inability to make the step up. Ireland matched them in Moscow, rode their luck but overall the job of shutting up the home crowd was done by half time. After that, the point was in the bag - and we could have won with a little bit of a push, but we achieved our objective.

Croatia are good, with a poor coach, Spain are good (if beatable) while Italy will be a test. Contrary to the 2 players who never made the grade (Dunphy and Sadlier) Ireland won't be humiliated and should come out of the group once they don't lose the first game!

OwlsFan
06/03/2012, 1:18 PM
A Thread dedicated to Drunkphy! When will we ever learn. It's all about RTE Ratings. "What did Dunphy say?" he's attacked every Irish manager since Eoin Hand ad nauseum ( nausea might be better). He picks a subject be it Andy Reid, style of football, Roy Keane, Liam Brady, Dave O'Leary and does it to death. He calls the third most successful manager in European history an amateur. 'Nuff said.

geysir
06/03/2012, 1:22 PM
Owls, i was getting worried, I thought you had passed away prematurely.

mypost
06/03/2012, 7:01 PM
Yet you cant name them,lol

I did name their clubs six months ago. Hence the link.


Ah come off it - are you seriously trying to tell me that Armenia, Macedonia and Estonia have players that play regular football in top leagues with significant European experience ?? ? Slovakia fair enough have a good side on paper - but for every Weiss, Stoch and Hamsik they have we have plenty top players like Given, Dunne, O'Shea and Duff who should have been more than capable of dictating play much better than we did at home to the aforementioned Slovakians.

I mean if Armenia - with their talented array of top footballers, can beat Slovakia, and all that significant European experience, 7-1 over 2 games - surely we can keep the ball for an extended period of time against the same opposition?

I doubt very much that we will be embarrassed at the euros but if we can't pass and keep the ball to some degree, at home against the likes of Slovakia or even in a friendly against the Czech Republic , then we have very little chance against Croatia, Italy and Spain, come the summer.

The only glimmer of light I have; is the last time this team had their backs against the wall they actually came out and played - and that was Paris. Since then we have done well to beat teams of inferior ability to us, draw twice with Slovakia who I thought were similarly limited going forward to us and struggle big time against a top side like Russia - we play 3 top sides in the summer - the only logical conclusion you can draw from past performances is that we will struggle in each game come the summer.

The only logical conclusion we can draw from last week is that it was a friendly.

We went to the 1990 WC after a 1-1 draw at home to Finland. It wasn't a great performance and like last week, we came from behind in a friendly, but we reached the quarter finals of the tournament. We went to the 1994 WC after a heavy home loss to the Czech Republic. We went to Japan following a loss at home to Nigeria. We got to the second round of both tournaments. You can't draw major conclusions from friendlies, but people bizarrely do.

In Paris we were losing when we were out there, and had to chase the game. If not, we would have played our usual containing game. Indeed from the goal scored in Dublin, there was a noticeable difference in how we played the remainder of the game.


Did you not watch that World Cup? Italy and France were pretty woeful, before n after

No I didn't. Couldn't after what happened to us. It wrecked the whole tournament for me. I didn't see one full live game. I saw most of the final, but just bits and highlights of the rest.


At home against Russia Ireland had the first clear cut chance and were aggressive, attacking and if they'd taken the lead, the visitors would have buckled. At home, Arshavin was running the show (as against Slovakia) but once he got it up him, he drifted from the game and wanted off. The Russian team can match any of the top sides in the World, but they have a poor coach, no plan B and an inability to make the step up. Ireland matched them in Moscow, rode their luck but overall the job of shutting up the home crowd was done by half time. After that, the point was in the bag - and we could have won with a little bit of a push, but we achieved our objective.

I remember that trio of early chances against the Russians, and hitting the bar, but the reality is if we scored first, we would have sat back until such time as we lost the lead. We didn't score first, then had to chase the game, and the Russians took full advantage, because we can't play them or sides like them, at their game. So we have to play a different way.

SolitudeRed
06/03/2012, 7:18 PM
BBC football page has an article about Traps 'controversial' approach on it, Dunphy even gets a mention :rolleyes:

'Republic of Ireland fans vent frustration over Trapattoni tactics'

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/17274585 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/17274585)

bennocelt
06/03/2012, 7:46 PM
I did name their clubs six months ago. Hence the link.

Just curious who these great players are (apart from Hamsik)

Paddy Garcia
06/03/2012, 7:57 PM
Even a broken clock is correct twice a day.

Truth is Dunphy's statements reflect a fair groundswell of opinion on this board and beyond. Not such a maverick view this time.

DannyInvincible
06/03/2012, 8:19 PM
BBC football page has an article about Traps 'controversial' approach on it, Dunphy even gets a mention :rolleyes:

'Republic of Ireland fans vent frustration over Trapattoni tactics'

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/17274585 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/17274585)

What prompted this piece of "news" today in particular?

Real ale Madrid
06/03/2012, 9:15 PM
We went to the 1990 WC after a 1-1 draw at home to Finland. It wasn't a great performance and like last week, we came from behind in a friendly, but we reached the quarter finals of the tournament. We went to the 1994 WC after a heavy home loss to the Czech Republic. We went to Japan following a loss at home to Nigeria. We got to the second round of both tournaments. You can't draw major conclusions from friendlies, but people bizarrely do.

In Paris we were losing when we were out there, and had to chase the game. If not, we would have played our usual containing game. Indeed from the goal scored in Dublin, there was a noticeable difference in how we played the remainder of the game.
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Why did you quote all of my post if you were only going to address the second part of it? Myself ( and Bennocelt I think! ) would love to know who are all of these top players at Macedonia, Armenia and Estonia you were referencing earlier.

With regards your point above - fair enough I never read too much into the results of friendlies either, but I was merely pointing to our regular style of play with which we choose to operate - and giving the opinion that similar tactics will lead to a disapointing end result at the championships.




In Paris we were losing when we were out there, and had to chase the game. If not, we would have played our usual containing game. Indeed from the goal scored in Dublin, there was a noticeable difference in how we played the remainder of the game.
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I must say I admire your possitivity, but given the evidence of what we have seen in this campaign - then our chances, according to your above post, basically comes down to how we will react when inevitably our backs are against the wall at some stage - otherwise its containing tactics all the way? Is that really how a serious team approaches a major tournament?

gastric
06/03/2012, 9:26 PM
Every time I read this post's heading I think of Stephen Ireland. Anyone else think the same?

geysir
06/03/2012, 10:11 PM
Even a broken clock is correct twice a day.

Truth is Dunphy's statements reflect a fair groundswell of opinion on this board and beyond. Not such a maverick view this time.
Which of his statements? or all what he said?
That McClean is a fantastic kid? :)
That Trap is an amateur know-nothing and an arrogant fool?
That he was lucky that we qualified?
That you are baffled by the stupid irrational substitution of Whelan by Green instead of McCarthy?

Any moron can say, I wish we could play better, it's frustrating at times, why don't we play better football, the Czech's looked much better and more technical.

OwlsFan
15/10/2012, 10:40 AM
Listening to Ray Darcy "interviewing" (more like putting his head up his backside) Dunphy on Today FM this am and almost crashed the car. Let us not forget that this is the man who wanted Paul Jewell to get the job (currently 2nd from bottom in the Championship and reigning over some of the biggest hidings Ipswich have ever had) and he had the nerve to mention Mick McCarthy, primarily as a "man of honour" who didn't take any money when he resigned (hounded out of the job by him in a most vitriolic way) and hinted that he or primarily Owen Coyle might get the job if it became available. How does he get away with this? Is there ever going to be a journalist to expose the hypocrisy of this man? A man who once described Mick as "a boil on the ar+e of humanity".

As for Owen Coyle, I think he is on the way back to Burnley.

Murfinator
15/10/2012, 12:22 PM
Listening to Ray Darcy "interviewing" (more like putting his head up his backside) Dunphy on Today FM this am and almost crashed the car. Let us not forget that this is the man who wanted Paul Jewell to get the job (currently 2nd from bottom in the Championship and reigning over some of the biggest hidings Ipswich have ever had) and he had the nerve to mention Mick McCarthy, primarily as a "man of honour" who didn't take any money when he resigned (hounded out of the job by him in a most vitriolic way) and hinted that he or primarily Owen Coyle might get the job if it became available. How does he get away with this? Is there ever going to be a journalist to expose the hypocrisy of this man? A man who once described Mick as "a boil on the ar+e of humanity".

As for Owen Coyle, I think he is on the way back to Burnley.

I've never known one intelligent person to take what he says seriously, those that do are of the ilk that they'll attach on to something else of dubious credentials if not Dunphy.

His reel of "players trap should be calling up" was pretty hilarious at the start of the last show. He showed pilkington despite his reluctance to claim for us, Clark whos been shaky at the best of times and Hoolahan who barely plays for Norwich anymore. Contrast that to 3 months ago when his reel contained McCarthy and Coleman who he failed to acknowledge Trap's decision to include them this time.
It's very easy to be cynical and highlight a few players who aren't getting called up tagging them as our saviours. You could do that for every single team on the planet. But then this is the same man who claimed Cristiano Ronaldo was a poor player so I wouldn't expect much.

PatJR
15/10/2012, 12:41 PM
I've never known one intelligent person to take what he says seriously, those that do are of the ilk that they'll attach on to something else of dubious credentials if not Dunphy.

His reel of "players trap should be calling up" was pretty hilarious at the start of the last show. He showed pilkington despite his reluctance to claim for us, Clark whos been shaky at the best of times and Hoolahan who barely plays for Norwich anymore. Contrast that to 3 months ago when his reel contained McCarthy and Coleman who he failed to acknowledge Trap's decision to include them this time.
It's very easy to be cynical and highlight a few players who aren't getting called up tagging them as our saviours. You could do that for every single team on the planet. But then this is the same man who claimed Cristiano Ronaldo was a poor player so I wouldn't expect much.

But you will find that a lot of people now believe that there is a host of outstanding Irish players sitting around wondering why they're not in the squad or playing. This has tended to skew the whole Trappatoni debate. There are issues with his selection for sure but really it is the approach that is all wrong. I suppose it's immaterial now because his position is untenable. A mixture of retirements, injuries and luck deserting him has exposed his methods, he had opportunity to address this but chose not to. Even playing the 5 in midfield was not a change of approach, instead of four players sitting too deep and not pressing in unison we just had 5 doing it!

It's sad because he took over a mess, put good structure around the side and made us hard to beat. The football wasn't sensational but we had a team to be proud of - who wasn't proud of Paris, Moscow or Estonia away. That's gone now and we've almost come 360 in terms of a mess.

tetsujin1979
15/10/2012, 12:44 PM
I've never known one intelligent person to take what he says seriously, those that do are of the ilk that they'll attach on to something else of dubious credentials if not Dunphy.

His reel of "players trap should be calling up" was pretty hilarious at the start of the last show. He showed pilkington despite his reluctance to claim for us, Clark whos been shaky at the best of times and Hoolahan who barely plays for Norwich anymore. Contrast that to 3 months ago when his reel contained McCarthy and Coleman who he failed to acknowledge Trap's decision to include them this time.
It's very easy to be cynical and highlight a few players who aren't getting called up tagging them as our saviours. You could do that for every single team on the planet. But then this is the same man who claimed Cristiano Ronaldo was a poor player so I wouldn't expect much.
Clark was on the bench, and Pilkington turned down a call up in August for the friendly against Serbia as he was injured

IsMiseSean
15/10/2012, 1:37 PM
The only thing worse than Dunphy is the Dunphy wannabee Richard Sadlier!!

seanfhear
15/10/2012, 4:18 PM
The only thing worse than Dunphy is the Dunphy wannabee Richard Sadlier!!If you were a young "pundit" and saw how much money Dunphy has made out of mouthing-off then there would have to be a temptation to become the new "dumb dunphy"

Manblue
15/10/2012, 4:24 PM
The only thing worse than Dunphy is the Dunphy wannabee Richard Sadlier!!

Have to say I find Brady far more frustrating.

tetsujin1979
15/10/2012, 4:45 PM
I can't listen to Brian Kerr anymore, whatever about the vailidity of what he says (and I will admit a lot of it is spot on) the little jibes, pokes, and passive aggressive remarks just make him look bitter and petty

Diarmo
15/10/2012, 6:20 PM
Dunphy's career as a successful journalist/pundit is an example of how bankrupt we are in this country intellectually. Here is a man who holds the record in an Irish court for being sued for libel (Pronsias de Rossa in the 90s). Here is a man who constantly criticizes the national team, no matter who is in charge.
Remember the Cameroon colours during WC 2002?
He should have been sacked a long time ago. One trick pony. He's an average journalist at best, who has managed to **** off most of his high profile clients (U2 book, Roy Keane book).

geysir
15/10/2012, 7:43 PM
What was that about the Cameroon colours?

amaccann
15/10/2012, 7:49 PM
What was that about the Cameroon colours?

iirc, he wore the Cameroon colours while on the panel for the match on RTE

He only does all that he does because he gets the big bucks for doing so - and RTE only hire him because they know it gets more people to tune in. Admit it now: how many of us kept the TV on, just to see what the reaction of the panel was on Friday night. Go on, be honest now *puts hand up* I did.

DannyInvincible
15/10/2012, 7:53 PM
What was that about the Cameroon colours?

Didn't he show up in studio wearing a tie featuring the Cameroon colours before the game? Which game was it he was sent home by RTÉ after turning up to the studio drunk?

jbyrne
16/10/2012, 12:52 PM
Didn't he show up in studio wearing a tie featuring the Cameroon colours before the game? Which game was it he was sent home by RTÉ after turning up to the studio drunk?

his shirt, tie and jacket were in the cameroon colours.

went on to say that day that the Irish players were running out of steam late in the game and that proved that the preparation under Mick was poor and Roy was right. tell that to the post that robbie rattled with about 10 to go and the gk hands that steven reid stung with a super free kick a couple of mins from the end. We actually finished very strong that day and the others on the panel rightly put dunphy back in his box over that comment. he had one of his agendas that day

Noelys Guitar
16/10/2012, 1:01 PM
Didn't he show up in studio wearing a tie featuring the Cameroon colours before the game? Which game was it he was sent home by RTÉ after turning up to the studio drunk?
I can't remember which game he was covering but he was clearly ****ed out of his head. At one stage he had his head bowed down staring at the desk. And this was an early morning game. RTE cut for an ad break came back and cue empty seat.

Charlie Darwin
16/10/2012, 2:03 PM
It was Russia-France I think.

Mr A
16/10/2012, 2:11 PM
The guy is pure poison, simple is that. And he's making a shedload of money from it.

Spudulika
16/10/2012, 2:36 PM
Dunphy is best represented by his Scrap Saturday figure, hovering at JG's side, licking his boots and opening his arms to anyone with (perceived or real) higher status than him. The great joke by Dermot Morgan was that Mama Dunphy had had a fling with Bono writing the book and his husband Gilesy passed out - they knew it was Bono's baby by the horrible wailing. I will always remember that the SS Dunphy said it made him feel special, not like a knacker from Drumcondra, it made him feel middle class. And that's the nub. He had a chance to go up against the Late Late and I was sitting watching when he committed suicide live on air when he tried to be ultra cool and started boasting about doing cocaine. Regardless of ratings, he was gone then. He can be an intelligent person but plays to the audience and is a symptom of the Anglo-Irish meeja that rule the countries and who still take their lead (like our civil service) from the motherland. Sadly too many are still swayed by him.

hunt4the
16/10/2012, 3:27 PM
iirc, he wore the Cameroon colours while on the panel for the match on RTE

He only does all that he does because he gets the big bucks for doing so - and RTE only hire him because they know it gets more people to tune in. Admit it now: how many of us kept the TV on, just to see what the reaction of the panel was on Friday night. Go on, be honest now *puts hand up* I did.

if you go to the games it comes with the added bonus of not having to listen to dunphy, brady, o'cluelessly et al,
I cant remember the last time I listened to them

Spudulika
16/10/2012, 5:00 PM
I listen to RTE radio for the build up, half time and post match. At least they analyse the game. On Friday it was sickening to see Bill play ringmaster, I used to find him interesting and at times funny, but I cannot say how repulsive a figure he is.

jbyrne
16/10/2012, 5:10 PM
I listen to RTE radio for the build up, half time and post match. At least they analyse the game. On Friday it was sickening to see Bill play ringmaster, I used to find him interesting and at times funny, but I cannot say how repulsive a figure he is.

they know their audience and unfortunately what they spew out these days is exactly what the volunteer armchair fan wants to hear

Spudulika
16/10/2012, 5:26 PM
they know their audience and unfortunately what they spew out these days is exactly what the volunteer armchair fan wants to hear

jbyrne, I know it's now the accepted norm, but it was built up that "our panel' were better than "their panels" and while I appreciate local bias, I'd never fully bought into it. I prefer to watch the game and make my own mind up. It's shameful to have to put up with the sludge they issue forth and I don't believe it will end. I watched the RTE Player on Saturday morning for the tv dissection and felt angry, really angry listening to Dunphy praising Mick McCarthy. I like(d) Mick as our manager and as a player, as a person he's decent and straight. Having Dunphy drag him into it, with Bill lapping it along, it is shameful. But at home there'd be a great many hosers who'd think it brilliant and insightful.

okay, sorry, rant over. Just embarrassed by our own media. Russia scraped by a terrible Azeri side tonight and looked awful, but they were consistent and hard to beat (the Russians), in the Italian way. The commentators and supporters (and media) are just glad to have consistency and honest selection, with a coach who has his own mind and choice. Our meeja need to be front and centre and it's getting worse.

Charlie Darwin
16/10/2012, 5:52 PM
jbyrne, I know it's now the accepted norm, but it was built up that "our panel' were better than "their panels" and while I appreciate local bias, I'd never fully bought into it. I prefer to watch the game and make my own mind up. It's shameful to have to put up with the sludge they issue forth and I don't believe it will end. I watched the RTE Player on Saturday morning for the tv dissection and felt angry, really angry listening to Dunphy praising Mick McCarthy. I like(d) Mick as our manager and as a player, as a person he's decent and straight. Having Dunphy drag him into it, with Bill lapping it along, it is shameful. But at home there'd be a great many hosers who'd think it brilliant and insightful.

okay, sorry, rant over. Just embarrassed by our own media. Russia scraped by a terrible Azeri side tonight and looked awful, but they were consistent and hard to beat (the Russians), in the Italian way. The commentators and supporters (and media) are just glad to have consistency and honest selection, with a coach who has his own mind and choice. Our meeja need to be front and centre and it's getting worse.
Giles' pre-match analysis has been very good. Giles is prone to a bit of folly but his actual analysis of of a game of football immediately after it happens is second to none in my opinion.

geysir
16/10/2012, 10:24 PM
Giles' pre-match analysis has been very good. Giles is prone to a bit of folly but his actual analysis of of a game of football immediately after it happens is second to none in my opinion.
You mean, before he forgets what happened in the game?

Charlie Darwin
16/10/2012, 10:29 PM
You mean, before he forgets what happened in the game?
Memories are overrated. Giles lives for the moment, man. A modern day James Dean.