Ahhh ..... Why no Cobh or Tralee ??????

[A face]

What gives? Seriously ..... am i missing something? Why are they not there? Teams have fallen by the wayside for a past few years, Dublin City, Sporting Fingal, Kilkenny City, and now Galway United. Cobh went as well but they are trying to get back in ..... what is going on. And its gonna be eight teams now where it could be ten .... where is the logic?

Does anyone have the answers?

[bluewhitearmy]

What gives? Seriously ..... am i missing something? Why are they not there? Teams have fallen by the wayside for a past few years, Dublin City, Sporting Fingal, Kilkenny City, and now Galway United. Cobh went as well but they are trying to get back in ..... what is going on. And its gonna be eight teams now where it could be ten .... where is the logic?

Does anyone have the answers?

They owed money to former players and couldnt come to an agreement.

[Dunny]

They owed money to former players and couldnt come to an agreement.

Is that both Cobh and Tralee or just Cobh?

[bluewhitearmy]

Is that both Cobh and Tralee or just Cobh?

Cobh meant to highlight them.

[Dunny]

Wonder why Tralee got refused.

Have they facilities?

[bluewhitearmy]

Wonder why Tralee got refused.

Have they facilities?

Apparently they had to prove they had the funds to make it through the season but came way short. From what i hear they were almost 80 grand short no idea how true that is like.

[oldfan]

Amazing how tough the requirements can be for a new club , yet Galway ,Cork ,Derry ...... .....
Daft having a 8 team League.

[Comic Book Guy]

To be honest I wasn't surprised by our exclusion, I was fully expecting us to be shafted, I feel really sorry for tralee though, I think they were well and truly led up the garden path, look at it this way tralee should look as though they'be had a narrow escape. I'm gutted were not in, I really miss the away trips. Once again the failures have shown that they don't give a rats ass
about local football after all they have a nice jolly to polkraine to look forward to, nothing else matters to them.
Delaney out!

[sadloserkid]

Neither Cobh or Tralee have failed to meet any criteria yet as the licenses have yet to be allocated. So it has nothing to do with money owed or ground issues or anything of the sort. Both clubs have applied for and may well be awarded First Division licenses. However the absolute cretins that are running football in this country have already decided not to admit new teams unless a vacancy arises. In short the decision has been made to progress with just twenty senior teams. If rumour is to be believed we're heading towards a 16 team premier in the next couple of seasons so another four clubs could find themselves cast adrift in that time too. Shameful, shameful stuff. This league is pathetic lads and it won't change anytime soon I'm afraid...

[nr637]

Seems things were looking good for Cobh until Ex-Players who are still owed money objected. Seems they refused a good deal, but wanted blood. But Cobh knew in advance they needed them to agree otherwise no licence could be awarded.They went to the PFA and the rest is history.
Surely though the FAI should not have let Cobh get this far along if they knew this issue remained?

[gufct]

Really hurting here lads but what was done to the other 3 clubs was worse .They were led to believe they were home and hosed only to learn on here that they were being played like us. The league has reached a new low but still clubs fight with each other rather than organising themselves into a power broker within the FAI with no strings attached to the powers that be.

[citybone]

I would prefer 2*10 team leagues rather than a 16 team league and maybe continue the A Championship on a region basis below this. This reverting back to a closed league seems like a bad idea to me. Having more than 1 division is important otherwise the club at the bottom can just tick away without any worry of relegation eg East Stirling in Scottish 3rd Division.

[bluewhitearmy]

Seems things were looking good for Cobh until Ex-Players who are still owed money objected. Seems they refused a good deal, but wanted blood. But Cobh knew in advance they needed them to agree otherwise no licence could be awarded.They went to the PFA and the rest is history.
Surely though the FAI should not have let Cobh get this far along if they knew this issue remained?

Wasnt an issue until the Ex-Players objected.

[adamd164]

Even though the licenses haven't been awarded yet, from Fran Gavin's comments he seems to suggest a sort of unofficial 'assessment' of the applications of Cobh and Tralee was done and the FAI decided to go with an 8 team league on the back of that.

Begs the question, how on Earth did Salthill get a license for Drom (and Mervue for Fahy's Field) in recent seasons - when has the standard suddenly shot up to such an extent that clubs with decent potential can be refused?

It all points to a 16 team league in the near future anyway.

[passerrby]

Really hurting here lads but what was done to the other 3 clubs was worse .They were led to believe they were home and hosed only to learn on here that they were being played like us. The league has reached a new low but still clubs fight with each other rather than organising themselves into a power broker within the FAI with no strings attached to the powers that be.

Clubs do not fight with each other they do in fact stab each other in the back ,and while everything is rosy in there garden they are happy to keep there mouth shut ,but when something effects them they want to know why we don't stand together.your club was a case in point

[peadar1987]

It's daft, and it really harms the development of domestic football in places like Tralee and Carlow. Sadloserkid is right, they haven't been denied licenses. If they had, on legitimate grounds, that would have been fair enough. The FAI have just decided that an 8 team division is what they want, even if everything about the applications of any new clubs is up to standard.

And the result is there are now a lot more people with a legitimate axe to grind with the league that the FAI are supposed to be trying to promote.

[A face]

It's daft, and it really harms the development of domestic football in places like Tralee and Carlow. Sadloserkid is right, they haven't been denied licenses. If they had, on legitimate grounds, that would have been fair enough. The FAI have just decided that an 8 team division is what they want, even if everything about the applications of any new clubs is up to standard.

And the result is there are now a lot more people with a legitimate axe to grind with the league that the FAI are supposed to be trying to promote.

Well, it doesn't give the clubs a chance to fail and then resolve their issues and appeal / resubmit for the second time and possibly pass it then.

If it was a shortfall in cash for Tralee as was mentioned, then wouldn't it have been better to fail them initially, allow them the chance to raise the cash, something that is fairly do-able for an established club.

[culloty82]

Eamonn Sweeney laments the decision. (http://www.independent.ie/sport/other-sports/tralee-in-limbo-over-fai-lack-of-dynamism-3010396.html)

[galwayhoop]

What Sadloserkid said is right.

Neither Cobh nor Tralee have had their licenses turned down, yet.

Money or ground issues may be true but the FAI have for their own reasons just decided to leave both clubs out for apparent football reasons with Fran Gavin stating that both aren't up to scratch and would lower the standard of the league.

Perhaps their is some truth here as Salthill, despite winning their section - a feat None of the other A Championship teams replicated, have really struggled since being accepted HOWEVER you would imagine that as both Cobh and Tralee would not be in the 3 club situation that all of the Galway clubs have had for the last 2/3 years that there is more potential for these sides.

Also it really does beg the question of why the FAI bothered putting the 2 clubs through the whole process of applying for first division licenses if they were going to rule them out before the process is even complete?

Unless there is another trick up their sleeve and they are looking to shaft one of the 8 teams in licensing. Nothing can be ruled out!

[gufcfan]

Cobh and Tralee were victims of what Fran Gavin, Eamonn Naughton and the rest of the FAI have got themselves into in Galway. Nothing to do with 3 clubs in Galway either. A disgrace of an association.

[bluewhitearmy]

Cobh and Tralee were victims of what Fran Gavin, Eamonn Naughton and the rest of the FAI have got themselves into in Galway. Nothing to do with 3 clubs in Galway either. A disgrace of an association.

What is it then?

[A face]

Cobh and Tralee were victims of what Fran Gavin, Eamonn Naughton and the rest of the FAI have got themselves into in Galway. Nothing to do with 3 clubs in Galway either. A disgrace of an association.

Come on, spill the beans ... whats happened?

[BonnieShels]

I've been to Salthill. It's good for chips and not much else. What else could Eamon and Fran gotten up to there?

[marinobohs]

I would have no problem with FAI setting standards/requirements for any new club trying to gain admittance tothe League, and dont think most would. What is annoying/frustrating is the perception that the standards/requirements applied by FAI vary depending on who is applying.

[adamd164]

Come on, spill the beans ... whats happened?
The suggestion (I assume) is that the FAI have made it an 8 team league because it gives them an excuse to ignore the GUST application, since a precedent of accepting late applications was set with Derry 2 years ago, and not because of any 'standards' as they claim.

It seems pretty plausible given that Mervue and Salthill in recent times were granted licenses with lower standard grounds than Cobh and though I haven't seen Tralee's ground it can't be any worse.

[Acornvilla]

Has it not been established beyond reasonable doubt that they made it 8 teams because the FAI don't believe Tralee will have to money to survive the season, while Cobh still don't have the tax cert. I'm just saying this because people keep bringing up random other reasons too! In Cobh's case they don't really have a leg to stand on until the unpaid player wages sorted, which as far as I'm aware still is outstanding? I wonder why they never just started from scratch like the rest (Cork/Derry for example) did thou..?

I think they should have waited until after the licencing process was finished to announce league format and fixtures, and had the licences sorted a fortnight ago, Common sense is the work of the devil in the FAI's eyes it seems.

[sadloserkid]

Unless there is another trick up their sleeve and they are looking to shaft one of the 8 teams in licensing. Nothing can be ruled out!

That will be us. Obviously.

[1dynamos]

Tralee's bugets was prudent. Remember they played in the A championship for 3 years travelling all over the country surely that would have helped the calculations. Tralee could easily achieved what was expected of them and would bring a new dimension to the league too. The goalposts were moved.......

[nigel-harps1954]

Tralee's bugets was prudent. Remember they played in the A championship for 3 years travelling all over the country surely that would have helped the calculations. Tralee could easily achieved what was expected of them and would bring a new dimension to the league too. The goalposts were moved.......


Remember they didn't play teams in the Northern Half of the country in that too.

[culloty82]

Tralee's bugets was prudent. Remember they played in the A championship for 3 years travelling all over the country surely that would have helped the calculations. Tralee could easily achieved what was expected of them and would bring a new dimension to the league too. The goalposts were moved.......

Given that Tralee would have been playing twice the number of games, and as Mr A said, doing far more travel, I seriously hope you didn't just plan for this season using an A Championship budget.

[Jofspring]

Was there much backing coming from the business' in Kerry sponosorship wise?

[kerrysock]

Tralee's bugets was prudent. Remember they played in the A championship for 3 years travelling all over the country surely that would have helped the calculations. Tralee could easily achieved what was expected of them and would bring a new dimension to the league too. The goalposts were moved.......
And look where that has got the club. Tralee Dynamos are a club with no money, pretty limited facilities and no support base. How could the club survive with a team in the LOI. The clubs venture into the A-Championship has severely knocked the club back - instead they should have invested their limited resources into badly needed facilities such as all-weather pitches. Many junior clubs in Kerry have much better facilities than Dynamos like all weather pitches for example.

The FAI are no fools and know too well that the first division was a step too far for the club. Kerry needs LOI football but not via 1 club, we need a kerry league team in the LOI that will be supported by all clubs. And thats some way away yet in my opinion!

[geezer]

Galway United play Tralee Dynamos at Terryland Park this evening at 6

[sadloserkid]

Galway United play Tralee Dynamos at Terryland Park this evening at 6

As in GUST/FC? What kinda squad is there Terry?

[adamd164]

As in GUST/FC? What kinda squad is there Terry?
That's an U19 game.

[bluewhitearmy]

And look where that has got the club. Tralee Dynamos are a club with no money, pretty limited facilities and no support base. How could the club survive with a team in the LOI. The clubs venture into the A-Championship has severely knocked the club back - instead they should have invested their limited resources into badly needed facilities such as all-weather pitches. Many junior clubs in Kerry have much better facilities than Dynamos like all weather pitches for example.

The FAI are no fools and know too well that the first division was a step too far for the club. Kerry needs LOI football but not via 1 club, we need a kerry league team in the LOI that will be supported by all clubs. And thats some way away yet in my opinion!


Thats just not true in fairness.

[kerrysock]

Thats just not true in fairness.
Whats not true?... Im only saying it as it is.

[1dynamos]

Kerrysock backup your statements with facts....no need to continue to do the hatchet job on Tralee Dynamos. We are a small club doing our best to establish ourselves in National League football. We shouldn't be constantly knocked down for that. Enjoy our Under 19s 5 wins on the trot 20 goals scored in the bargain. Find fault with that you have with everything else....

[sadloserkid]

Kerrysock backup your statements with facts....no need to continue to do the hatchet job on Tralee Dynamos. We are a small club doing our best to establish ourselves in National League football. We shouldn't be constantly knocked down for that. Enjoy our Under 19s 5 wins on the trot 20 goals scored in the bargain. Find fault with that you have with everything else....

If it helps 1dynamos, kerrysock comes across (to me at least) as somebody with an agenda and an axe to grind.

[kerrysock]

No agenda here at all, just saying it what everyone I know is thinking on the ground in kerry at the moment.
I am all for a kerry team in the LOI but I just think dynamos going alone is not going to work.
Lots of people posting here seem to be posting blindly without checking in with reality!

I will back it up with facts, 1dynamos can you answer the following? (Or will you keep dodging these facts):

1. Why were dynamos a-championship attendances so poor? Answer - because support base is very small.

2. Why are dynamos falling behind other kerry clubs in terms of facilities? Answer - because the money available to the club is being invested in national competitions instead of facilities

3. Why were dynamos omitted from the LOI this year? Answer - because the finances simply are not there

Again, I am not trying to condemn dynamos, I just think they need to change direction i.e. drop back to KDL, invest in grassroots (i.e. facilities etc) and try to become kerrys best junior side again. Dynamos have done an awful lot for kerry soccer, but kerry soccer needs them back in my view just as much as dynamos need kerry.

[El-Pietro]

you sound a bit bitter - clearly you support or are involved with a different Kerry team than Dynamos - what is wrong with Dynamos trying to make the step up, so it failed, big deal - they should pick themselves up again and prepare for a second bite at the cherry

[A face]

No agenda here at all, just saying it what everyone I know is thinking on the ground in kerry at the moment. I am all for a kerry team in the LOI but I just think dynamos going alone is not going to work.
Lots of people posting here seem to be posting blindly without checking in with reality!

So what are you proposing?

[adamd164]

Kerry District League were in the old u21 league for years and never looked like having an ambition to field a senior team in the LOI.

[A face]

Kerry District League were in the old u21 league for years and never looked like having an ambition to field a senior team in the LOI.

Even though they were a handy enough U21 side at the time. Its a pity it didn't happen .... but just wondering is this what Kerrysock is getting at? Does he think there is a possiblity of it happening?

[Mr A]

On the one hand Tralee may have a small support base (and judging them on A League crowds is probably harsh, it's low profile even compared to division 1) but a new entity somehow representing Kerry football would probably have even less. The Kildare County model didn't work, and even with huge investment Sporting Fingal were not exactly packing them in either.

[sadloserkid]

It's not like most First Division clubs have bumper crowds anyway. If they drew even 150 people they'd have as many as a lot of clubs have had at times over the years and could build from there.

[culloty82]

It would be easy to turn Kerrysock's question on its head, and ask why the KDL never looked at entering the A Championship, at a time when doing so would have kept Tralee in the fold. All they needed to do was follow the lead of Carlow soccer and set up a club, called say Kerry County FC for want of a better title, and the likelihood is they'd have won promotion on merit. So he should be criticising the KDL, and perhaps the clubs involved, rather than blaming Dynamos.

[kerrysock]

So what are you proposing?
A kerry team supported by the KDL (if possible) and if not a few of the bigger clubs in Kerry shopuld get together and support the formation of this new entity by themselves. This would do the following:

1. Increase support base

2. Increase financial status

3. Increase player catchment i.e. the best Kerry players will end up playing LOI

4. Increase unity

5. Create a natural structure for good young players to graduate up to LOI if they are good enough

Im not trying to condemn Dynamos in any way whatsoever, I just think there is a better way to get Kerry players involved in the LOI! Dynamos have done great service to Kerry soccer. I just don't like how the club has isolated themselves on this, I feel co-operation between KDL and/or other clubs is the best way to go about getting a Kerry team into the LOI.

Anytime I mention my thoughts on this I get accused of having a personal vendetta against Dynamos. I think Dynamos are a great club and have done massive service to the Kerry public.Im a neutral. I have no affiliation to any KDL club, just giving my opinion which is what the spirit of these forums are supposed to be all about!

I really think Dynamos going out on their own is damaging the club long term, purely just from a financial perspective. The idea of having a LOI team is absolutely right, just don't think going out on their own is the way to go!

[El-Pietro]

where would your mythical Kerry team be based and where would it draw its support from

[kerrysock]

where would your mythical Kerry team be based and where would it draw its support from
Play home matches in Mounthawk park tralee where the Kerry u21s and oscar traynor team played. Would be a well supported team in my view...u21 games were well supported so I cant see why a senior team in the LOI wouldnt be supported!