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culloty82
19/12/2011, 7:41 AM
His son, Kim Jong-un (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-16239693) has succeeded him, but is viewed as a puppet likely to be firmly under the thumb of the North Korean military.
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His son, Kim Jong-un has succeeded
Eminence Grise
19/12/2011, 3:02 PM
A puppet? Like father, like son...

Did you never see Team America?:D
Mr A
19/12/2011, 3:16 PM
Did you never see Team America?:D

**** yeah!
pineapple stu
19/12/2011, 5:32 PM
They seem to have used the occasion to fire a sneaky missile at South Korea (http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2011/12/kim-dead-north-korea-missile/).

Would not like to be in South Korea now. Unstable neighbour country that happens to hate you = bad. New leader trying to throw his weight around = bad. New leader continues on his dad's work = bad. New leader making conciliatory gestures towards ending communism and re-unifying with South Korea = bad.

On the plus side, the jokes are flying in (http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2011/12/19/kim-jong-il-jokes-twitter_n_1157303.html#s554664&title=boothby_graffoe).
culloty82
20/12/2011, 7:29 AM
Kim Jong-Il looking at things. (http://kimjongillookingatthings.tumblr.com/)
DannyInvincible
20/12/2011, 7:41 AM
Kim Jong-Il looking at things. (http://kimjongillookingatthings.tumblr.com/)

Things back to proper working order soon enough.

Kim Jong-un looking at things... (http://kimjongunlookingatthings.tumblr.com/)
The Fly
20/12/2011, 8:48 PM
Rick Perry, one of the Republican candidates for the US Presidency, just referred to him as Kim Jong the Second, misreading 'Il' as II.
thebooboys
21/12/2011, 6:42 PM
Was informed by a Labour Party Councillor today that the Irish Worker's Party sent a funeral wreath to the despots funeral. Are the for real????
BonnieShels
21/12/2011, 8:07 PM
Was informed by a Labour Party Councillor today that the Irish Worker's Party sent a funeral wreath to the despots funeral. Are the for real????

They are unfortunately. Like FF, the SWP and the rest of the ULA.
Spudulika
22/12/2011, 7:43 AM
Well, as odd (so we're informed) as the man was, is he as bad as Bertie? Or Dame Edna?
Mr A
22/12/2011, 9:28 AM
He ruled over an incredibly oppressive regime whose trademarks are famine, aggression towards neighbours and repression. So yes, he's considerably worse.

Staggered that the question has even been raised to be honest.
thebooboys
22/12/2011, 10:22 AM
They're called the Looney Left for a reason, stupid comparison. Next they'll be comparing Bertie to Himmler
Spudulika
22/12/2011, 3:19 PM
He ruled over an incredibly oppressive regime whose trademarks are famine, aggression towards neighbours and repression. So yes, he's considerably worse.

Staggered that the question has even been raised to be honest.

You'd prefer questions weren't raised? Sounds more like a repressive mentality.

Compare this - general hilarity, p!sstaking when a head of state dies (listening to BBC was painful), all comes out in the wash. Putin and co oversee another dodgy election and the world jumps up and down and joins in with the protesters (from a very safe distance) and reports very incorrectly.

Kazakhstan, Central Asia's stable nation, good guys, spend lots of money, buy up lots of Uni places in the UK and (Borat apart) are unseen. Yet last weekend the latest massacre (in the 100's) of protesters occurs and nothing more than brief reporting takes place. Why? Because the news reports are "looked after" thanks to big donations and that the multinational energy companies are all doing good business in Kazakhstan. There has been precious little "fair" or "professional" reporting going on, the forgotten land of Libya is one case in point. Though it's probably better not to ask questions.
Mr A
22/12/2011, 3:22 PM
My point is that Bertie and Enda aren't even remotely in that league. I have no problem with questions being raised. Even if sometimes they are a little bit silly.
John83
22/12/2011, 4:15 PM
You'd prefer questions weren't raised? Sounds more like a repressive mentality.
Interesting that you took his response to mean that. I took it to mean that the comparison was just really, really stupid.
Lim till i die
22/12/2011, 6:13 PM
Was informed by a Labour Party Councillor today that the Irish Worker's Party sent a funeral wreath to the despots funeral. Are the for real????

If some of the Labour lads were a bit more honest they'd be going over themselves in fairness. :p

The reporting on North Korea has been staggeringly, predictably, atrocious.
Spudulika
23/12/2011, 12:39 PM
Interesting that you took his response to mean that. I took it to mean that the comparison was just really, really stupid.

Weird, your wum put in seems stupid, though I wouldn't say that of course. :-)

Fair enough Mr. A, Bertie and co wouldn't be in the same league as Il, though in the bankrupting (or in Kenny's case - continuing the bankrupting) of one's country, they're not strangers.
pineapple stu
23/12/2011, 2:15 PM
Spud - do you have to dismiss everyone who disagrees with you as a wum? John83 is correct with what he says; Mr A was correct to dismiss your post as stupid (and gave perfectly valid reasons why). There's really no two ways about it. Just move on.

You say both bankrupted their countries - let's be honest, while we haven't got it rosy here, it's nothing compared to the millions dying or starving in North Korea while the government spend all their money on nuclear weapons so they can throw shapes at the South. Seriously, some perspective is needed here.
Spudulika
23/12/2011, 4:55 PM
PS, it's a very constructive and intelligent thing to disregard others posts or points as stupid - although I should the same back. It'd be easier and I don't have to make a point of my own - just say, that's stupid - or do you disagree with that? A person can say -I disagree because.......

Agreed on perspective - precious little in media coverage of either situation. It's disgusting how the Irish media do their utmost to not just ape but cut and paste English media coverage. There are far more important and disturbing events taking place yet the media lead the sheep to a conclusion that, if you don't agree with it, you're a commie, socialist or stupid.

What has been surprising, in the last week, is the number of Irish and British who've visited North Korea in the last few years and the stories all seem to differ yet be the same. On some phone in shows there was almost a race to the bottom of the "most shocking tourist story....ever!!" league, though one thing seemed to be common. The locals were decent, friendly and friendly. If the son can open up the country a little without letting McDonalds and Starbucks take over, they might just have a chance.
pineapple stu
23/12/2011, 8:57 PM
A person can say -I disagree because.......
In fact, Mr A did say "I disagree because......." He clearly refuted your post, giving reasons. To disagree with you is not to WUM.
Spudulika
23/12/2011, 9:27 PM
PS, I have no problem with that, even his using the word "silly", I didn't mention WUM to Mr. A. I had to check again to make sure you got that one wrong.
pineapple stu
23/12/2011, 10:12 PM
You mentioned wum to John83. You were also wrong there; he was right to say that he thought your point was stupid, for the reasons previously mentioned. You were wrong to accuse Mr A of a repressive mentality, you were wrong to compare Mr A to Bertie.

Let's move on, shall we?
The Fly
24/12/2011, 3:48 AM
You mentioned wum to John83. You were also wrong there; he was right to say that he thought your point was stupid, for the reasons previously mentioned. You were wrong to accuse Mr A of a repressive mentality, you were wrong to compare Mr A to Bertie.

Let's move on, shall we?

I agree. Enough of this craziness.

Let's keep the discussion focused on the greatest golfer who ever lived!
pineapple stu
24/12/2011, 11:07 AM
And the greatest cinema buff. And the first miracle birth in 2000 years. And the only person in North Korea with an e-mail address.

And in fact, time for some Kim Jong Il crazy facts (http://listverse.com/2010/05/30/top-10-crazy-facts-about-kim-jong-il/), cos they're good fun. And while I'm at it, I'll recommend again (after doing so in the books thread) This is Paradise - My North Korean Childhood (http://www.amazon.com/This-Paradise-North-Korean-Childhood/dp/0316729663) by Hyok Kang and Nothing to Envy (http://www.amazon.com/Nothing-Envy-Ordinary-Lives-North/dp/0385523912/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1324728393&sr=1-1) by Barbara Demick, which is based on interviews with some who've fled North Korea for the South. Two super books.
Spudulika
25/12/2011, 5:03 PM
You mentioned wum to John83. You were also wrong there; he was right to say that he thought your point was stupid, for the reasons previously mentioned. You were wrong to accuse Mr A of a repressive mentality, you were wrong to compare Mr A to Bertie.

Let's move on, shall we?

Well, they both behaved stupidly, but it's better to just let go, it's Christmas after all :-)

I don't know if most of the world (who had the misfortune to squirm through Team America) could have taken him seriously. I felt the same was the case with Saddam Hussein after South Park: The Movie. Maybe humour is a better weapon against dictators we're not supposed to like.
pineapple stu
25/12/2011, 10:27 PM
You don't think we should take Kim Jong Il or Saddam Hussein seriously based on a cartoon?!

At this stage, I'm not entirely sure if I should take you seriously tbh!
SkStu
28/12/2011, 9:13 PM
According to North Korean media, Kim Jong Il is not, in fact, dead but is winning an international sleeping contest!!
The Fly
29/12/2011, 12:26 AM
According to North Korean media, Kim Jong Il is not, in fact, dead but is winning an international sleeping contest!!

Ba-dum-chh!
SkStu
29/12/2011, 3:24 AM
Im here all week!
pineapple stu
29/12/2011, 10:34 AM
Natural phenomena seen around the time of Kim's death (http://www.kcna.co.jp/item/2011/201112/news21/20111221-49ee.html).

Kim Jong-Il as pure as snow (http://www.kcna.co.jp/item/2011/201112/news21/20111221-48ee.html).

I love that site!
Spudulika
05/01/2012, 7:48 AM
You don't think we should take Kim Jong Il or Saddam Hussein seriously based on a cartoon?!

At this stage, I'm not entirely sure if I should take you seriously tbh!

Stu, driven as we are by the US and UK media, there are lots of sheep who know little else. And be honest, as an intelligent educated person - can you say you don't think of Team America - I'm so ronnery - when you think of the ex PRK boss?

Have to enjoy how a sky league spat between a Uruguayan and French player has totally taken over the way of things, that and Sinead O'Connor winding up then winding down with her latest beau. Love the 12 month silly season.

edit: On that snow job, the Russians are dab hands at preventing snow by bombing clouds, rain too, and from what I've read they have been able to induce both. Maybe next time there's an election in Ireland the powers that be can cause wind and rain, oh wait.