UEFA Co-Efficiency League

[eoinh]

Total number of teams in europe. all results gained by us are divided by three.

[eL Bettor]

thanks eoin for explaining :)

[eoinh]

Co-efficiency league updated. We stay at 40th place. See here (http://www.xs4all.nl/~kassiesa/bert/uefa/data/method3/crank2005.html)

[brendy_éire]

Co-efficiency league updated. We stay at 40th place. See here (http://www.xs4all.nl/~kassiesa/bert/uefa/data/method3/crank2005.html)

It was only updated at 20:13:17 UTC (it's a Dutch website, so I'm assuming it's on Dutch time), so it won't have taken into account the result tonight yet.

[eoinh]

no, we had this argument before, it is updated. Its on UTC time.

[eirebhoy]

We now have 0.833 points which is the best we've had since 00/01. With 4 more matches left Shels should at least bring it up to 1. Not looking so bad anymore.:)

[sullanefc]

We now have 0.833 points which is the best we've had since 00/01. With 4 more matches left Shels should at least bring it up to 1. Not looking so bad anymore.:)

I think 1 point is a bit optomistic considering you only get 0.333 per win. Meaning they would have to get 3 wins from their guaranteed 4 remaining Euro games. If they do this, they'll definitely qualify for either the group stages of the CL of group stages of the UEFA cup :eek:

[eoinh]

well, the round shels go into in the uefa cup you get higher points for draws and wins so its posssible they could surpass bohs points total. By doing that too they would make sure they are seeded for future european adventures!

[ger121]

I think 1 point is a bit optomistic considering you only get 0.333 per win. Meaning they would have to get 3 wins from their guaranteed 4 remaining Euro games. If they do this, they'll definitely qualify for either the group stages of the CL of group stages of the UEFA cup :eek:

we are at 2.5 now if they get a draw against depor they'll get another 0.5 which will make 3 divide that by the number of entrants 3 and that = 1. Also a draw in the 1st round proper of the Uefa Cup is worth 1 and 2 for a win.

[eirebhoy]

I think 1 point is a bit optomistic considering you only get 0.333 per win. Meaning they would have to get 3 wins from their guaranteed 4 remaining Euro games. If they do this, they'll definitely qualify for either the group stages of the CL of group stages of the UEFA cup :eek:
I meant a total of 1 point for 03/04 which would mean 1 draw in any of the 4 matches. I forgot its double points in the UEFA cup proper so I'd be expecting more now. :)

[blobbyblob]

What exactly does it mean for next years competitions for those that qualify?

[sullanefc]

I meant a total of 1 point for 03/04 which would mean 1 draw in any of the 4 matches. I forgot its double points in the UEFA cup proper so I'd be expecting more now. :)

Sorry, didn't understand what you meant. I too didn't realise they're were extra points for proper rounds. good stuff. More points hopefully.

To answer bobbyblob - The higher you move up, the more Euro places you get. But I don't think we get anymore until about 20th or something(open to correction). We are only about 40th now. Short term I think the higher we are the better chance we have of drawing a poorer team next year. And thus more points to move up and up.

[pineapple stu]

What exactly does it mean for next years competitions for those that qualify?

More of the same. Unseeded in the CL First Round, seeded in the UEFA Cup prelim round. I think...

[eoinh]

Ireland remain in 40 th place after tonights draw. getting closer to the countries above us though.......

See here (http://www.xs4all.nl/~kassiesa/bert/uefa/data/method3/crank2005.html)

[DolansWaistcoat]

Thats the job. :)

1st against 40th last night and you woildn't have known it unless you were told. :)

[pete]

Even a draw for $hel$ in the UEFA CUP 1st round would possibly see the eL into the lofty heights of 35th :eek:

Can't rely on 1 team to get points every year though. Even if shel$ repeated this performance each year not gonna make enough difference.

[pete]

Still 40th after last nights UEFA Cup qualifers.

Unlikely to be caught by anyone below us thankfully.

[ShelsTim]

Why do Armenia have 4 participants and Leichtenstein have 1 when they're in the area of countries with 3 participants and why do Kazakhstan have 0?

[pineapple stu]

Why do Armenia have 4 participants and Leichtenstein have 1 when they're in the area of countries with 3 participants and why do Kazakhstan have 0?

Armenia won the fair play draw for an extra place in Europe. Liechtenstein have no senior league any more, but do have a national cup, which FC Vaduz invariably win (being Swiss Div 2 as opposed to near amateurs), and so only have one team, who go into the UEFA, so it doesn't matter that they're ahead of us. Don't know about Kazakhstan though.

[TheSaint2002]

Kazakhstan were banned from UEFA competitions weren’t they, might explain their lack of places

[ShelsTim]

Ah, I see, cheers.

[brendy_éire]

Kazakhstan were banned from UEFA competitions weren’t they

Why? .

[MariborKev]

There was a fall out between the clubs and the antional association and UEFA wanted it sorted out otherwise no places for European competition

[eoinh]

The fall out was among the clubs of azerbaijan not kazakhstan. They didnt compete last season or the sesaon before that because of whatever argument happened.

Kazakhstan clubs didnt compete this season because none of their clubs managed to get a UEFA licenece.

[pete]

Still 40th after yesterdays games (http://www.xs4all.nl/~kassiesa/bert/uefa/data/method3/crank2005.html)

34 Georgia 5.165 2/ 3
35 Lithuania 4.832 2/ 3
36 Macedonia 4.497
37 Iceland 4.165 2/ 3
38 Belarus 4.082
39 Liechtenstein 4.000 1/ 1
40 Ireland 3.831 1/ 3
41 Armenia 2.998
42 Malta 2.998

[eoinh]

After tonights games Ireland jump two places. Our league is now ranked 38th out of 52. See here (http://www.xs4all.nl/~kassiesa/bert/uefa/data/method3/crank2005.html)

[ShelsTim]

Woah, I think I'm getting a nose bleed.

[A face]

Woah, I think I'm getting a nose bleed.

:D



29 Cyprus 8.165
30 Bosnia-Herzegovina 7.165
31 Latvia 6.664
32 Finland 6.54
33 Moldova 6.332
34 Georgia 5.499
35 Lithuania 5.332
36 Iceland 4.498
37 Macedonia 4.497
38 Ireland 4.164
39 Belarus 4.082
40 Liechtenstein 4
41 Armenia 2.998
42 Malta 2.998
43 Albania 2.665

[gspain]

This is the difference between being seeded and unseeded in the 1st qualifying round of next season's champions league.

Ourchampions will now be seeded next year thanks to this draw. No country behind us can catch us now.

Furthermore Shels now have a club coefficient so they will be much more likely to be seeded for the next 5 years

[Slash/ED]

That's good news. How much co-efficent points are a draw and a win worth to Ireland now that it's the first round proper by the way? With the right result away to Lille could we climb to 36th?

[pete]

Inn UEFA Cup first round its 1 point for draw 2 for win.

So $hel$ got 1 point last dived by 3 irish teams = 0.333

Even if $hel$ got a draw in 2 weeks time be unlikely to move up any further places.

Good breathing space from teams outside top 40 now. Won't ever make any progress if only 1 real team scoring each season.

From table looks the Swiss having real bad season.

[Slash/ED]

So a draw puts us level with Macedonia and a win would see us over take them and Iceland then?

[eoinh]

So a draw puts us level with Macedonia and a win would see us over take them and Iceland then?

The link to that site is down at the moment but if i remember correctly there are still some Icelandic teams left in the UEFA Cup so they can gain points too. So, no that wouldnt be safe to assume.

[Slash/ED]

Ahh yes, there's the Icelandic team who knocked out Dunfermline still in there. Still, hopefully Shels can get the result and we can worry about the co-efficents and all of that afterwards :)

[paudie]

The one Icelandic team left were beated 5-1 at home by Aachen so you woudn't expect them to get anything in Germany.

We'd have to get to 29th I think to qualify for 2nd CL qualifying round.

[Slash/ED]

The one Icelandic team left were beated 5-1 at home by Aachen so you woudn't expect them to get anything in Germany.


Could work out the other way though, that the Germans will now field their reserves and the Icelandic side will get a narrow win on the night.

[brendy_éire]

After last night’s UEFA Cup First Round First Leg fixtures, including Shelbourne’s 2-2 draw with Lille, the Republic of Ireland co-efficient for 2005/06 European club competition currently stands at 4.164 and the eircom League is ranked 38th out of 52 UEFA national leagues. At the commencement of 2004/05 UEFA competitions, the eircom League was ranked 40th and possessed a co-efficient of 3.164.

As a result, the immediate knock-on effect is that it is now likely that the eircom League’s representatives in the 2005/06 UEFA Champions League First Qualifying Round draw will be seeded although it is also possible that a number of factors may combine to prevent the eventual 2004 eircom League Champions from being seeded in the draw.

Seedings for draws are based on a combination of national and club coefficients. National coefficients are calculated based on a total of each country’s clubs’ record in UEFA competition for the previous five seasons (see table below) while additional club coefficient points can only be gained by clubs in the UEFA Cup First round proper and onwards and in the Champions League Group Stages and beyond.

The increase in the eircom League’s national coefficient from 3.164 to 4.164 is due to the one point earned by Shelbourne “for the eircom League” as a result of last night’s draw (two points would be gained for a win at this stage of competition and beyond) which has been added to the three points already gained by eircom League clubs in European competition this season (see breakdown below). This figure (four) is then divided by the number of clubs in UEFA ranking competition – three in the eircom League’s case – to give the season figure.

In effect, the 2004-05 figure (1.333) replaces the 1999/00 figure (0.333) for the purposes of calculating the eircom League’s national co-efficient for the 2005/06 season. This figure will obviously be improved upon should Shelbourne either draw with or beat Lille and progress to the group stages of the UEFA Cup. What’s more, the point gained last night – and any more gained by Shelbourne this season – will be added to and remain part of the club’s additional coefficient in coming seasons just as Bohemians continue to benefit from the two points gained for their victory over Kaiserslautern in the 2000/01 UEFA Cup.

As outlined above, the eircom League lies 38th out of 52 countries. However, of the 14 national leagues ranked beneath the eircom League, three (Andorra, Liechenstein and San Marino) do not qualify to compete in the Champions League, effectively meaning that there are only 11 national leagues ranked beneath the eircom League. As there are 22 teams in the Champions League First Qualifying Round draw, as it stands, the eircom League representative would therefore be one of the 11 seeded teams, theoretically resulting in a more favourable draw.

However, of the 11 leagues beneath the eircom League, one contains a team which possesses additional club coefficient points. The Maltese league is in 42nd position (coefficient of 2.998) and one of its clubs, Birkirkara, has one club co-efficient point gained from previous UEFA competition. There are no clubs from the remaining 10 leagues still in European competition this season therefore none will be able to pick up any club coefficient points.

Therefore, even if Shelbourne lose to Lille, the only scenario in which this season’s eircom League Champions will not be seeded is if Birkirkara win the Maltese League and neither Shelbourne nor Bohemians win the 2004 eircom League title (as they are the only eircom League clubs with additional club co-efficient points as outlined above) as Birkirkara would have a higher combined coefficient than any other eircom League representative in the Champions League.

For example, were Shelbourne to lose to Lille but qualify for either the UEFA Cup or Champions League, their seeding next season would be 2.382 (4.146 divided by three, plus one). Similarly, if Bohemians qualify for European competition next season, their seeding would be 3.382 (4.146 divided by three, plus two).

To put the eircom League’s current 2004/05 coefficient and the overall national coefficient it will carry into the 2005/06 competition into context, were the eircom League to either match or better the current 1.333 figure for the next three to four seasons, then its overall figure would rise significantly from the current 4.164, most likely resulting in eircom League teams being comfortably seeded in the qualifying rounds of both the UEFA Cup and Champions League on a regular and continual basis provided the current success in Europe was maintained.

However, the eircom League still has a considerable way to go before its representative in the Champions League would be exempt from the First Qualifying Round. Currently teams from national leagues ranked 28th and below enter at the first qualifying round stage. For the eircom League to be ranked above that, a coefficient of approximately 10-12 is required – in other words an improvement of about six to eight points on our current total.

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Co-efficient points gained by eircom League clubs in UEFA competition this season to date:

InterToto Cup
Cork City - no points awarded for this competition

UEFA Cup, Qualifying Round
Longford Town - two defeats to Vaduz, no points
Bohemians - one defeat (0pts), one draw with Levadia Tallinn in qualifying round, 0.5pts

UEFA Champions League, Qualifying Rounds
Shelbourne - two draws with KR Reykjavik, 0.5pts each = 1pt; one defeat, one win against Hajduk Split, 1pt; one draw, one defeat against Deportivo La Coruna, 0.5pts

UEFA Cup, First Round
Shelbourne (to date) - one draw with Lille, 1pt

Total to date: 4pts, which is divided by the number of eircom League clubs in UEFA competition (3) to give a co-efficient to date for 2004-05 of 1.333

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eircom League UEFA coefficients, 1999/00 to 2004/05

Season Coefficient
99-00 0.333
00-01 1.666
01-02 0.666
02-03 0.166
03-04 0.333
04-05 1.333

The eircom League’s national coefficient of 3.164 for 2004/05 UEFA competition is a total of the 99/00 to 03/04 figures. Currently, the eircom League’s co-efficient for the 2005/06 season is 4.164. This is subject to improvement depending on Shelbourne’s further participation in the UEFA Cup.

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eircom League ranking out of 52 UEFA National Leagues, 2000 to 2005*

Year Ranking
1999 41
2000 41
2001 38
2002 37
2003 39
2004 40
2005 38

*current standing