2014 qualifying schedule change

[pineapple stu]

I wonder is this (http://www.rte.ie/sport/soccer/2011/1005/uefa_weekoffootball.html) why the fixtures meeting hasn't happened yet? Should impact on the LoI a bit less than at present at least.

Also, it seems our drawing Germany is in vain now as TV rights are being collectivised.

[Stuttgart88]

Collective TV rights sale was supposed to be a big boon to the FAI, but "Murphy's Law" might throw a spanner in the works. Not sure what the impact on UEFA might be.

For European football's governing body, in expansionist mood and facing growing challenges, there could be wide-ranging ramifications. Its model relies on maximising revenues from every local market, so a pan-European deal is not an option. Historically Uefa's president, Michel Platini, has stayed close to European policy makers so the suspicion must be that it will find a way through this. It is helped by the fact that most of its deals contain a free-to-air element, which makes the danger from fans viewing across borders less pressing. But there could be bigger consequences for its plans to centralise sales of European international qualifiers from 2014. For smaller rights holders – such as the FA and the Football League – maximising overseas revenues could become more problematic.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2011/oct/04/premier-league-television-rights

[geysir]

How about this from the
Daily Mail (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2045600/New-UEFA-TV-deal-froces-2014-international-fixture-change.html)



'International qualifiers will be played across six days between Thursdays and Tuesdays from 2014 to maximise TV coverage and broadcast income, UEFA have announced.
The move will see national teams having just a two-day break between matches in World Cup and European Championship double-headers, in what is being dubbed 'The Week of Football'

Afaics, this applies to double headers and teams will have at least 3 full days in between match days. And this is already in practice for the 2012 qualifiers, games are currently being played Friday, Saturday and Tuesday


The move coincides with UEFA selling TV rights collectively across Europe and providing national associations with guaranteed income.
Infantino said there would be no clash with the clubs - and that there would in fact be fewer international breaks overall.
He added: 'This is an important step to promote national team football and the whole of football will benefit.
'It is within the framework of the international football calendar, so no additional dates will be required whatsoever.
'If you do not have national teams playing on Saturdays and Sundays then it’s a pity. If England are playing on a Friday then fans can watch Spain, France or Germany at the weekends.

That sounds to me that UEFA intend to sell packages of top games from other groups.

from the Guardian article
"But there could be bigger consequences for its plans to centralise sales of European international qualifiers from 2014."
What type of consequences?
The WC qualifiers would primarily be sold to national FTA broadcasters e.g. rte bbc itv, the broadcasters pay according to the viewing figures.
Even if our game was being broadcast simultaneousnly on SKY, RTE would still clock >700,000 viewers.

[mypost]

'If you do not have national teams playing on Saturdays and Sundays then it’s a pity. If England are playing on a Friday then fans can watch Spain, France or Germany at the weekends.

So UEFA have given up on Friday night games after less than one campaign. They see the obvious problems with it. Meanwhile, the LOI is still stuck with it after 25. :rolleyes:

[geysir]

UEFA are not saying they are giving up on Friday games.
But I can't work out exactly what they are going to do. The journalist's interpretation is that teams will be expected to play double headers. playing on a Friday and on a Sunday or play on a Saturday and a Monday.
That interpretation doesn't fit completely with what UEFA are vaguely saying.

[theworm2345]

UEFA is made up of whores who will do anything for money (see: October/November of 2009) whatever they come up with will likely not be reasonable.

[mypost]

UEFA are not saying they are giving up on Friday games.
But I can't work out exactly what they are going to do. The journalist's interpretation is that teams will be expected to play double headers. playing on a Friday and on a Sunday or play on a Saturday and a Monday.
That interpretation doesn't fit completely with what UEFA are vaguely saying.

That interpretation is wrong. Games will be 72 hours apart and ko at the same time.

It's all well and good for 6-team groups, when everyone can play on the same night, and if teams have two home or away games in the same week. What doesn't seem to be factored in, is e.g. Ireland at home to Austria on a Friday, and away to Kazachstan on a Monday afternoon/night. How are we supposed to prepare adequately for the second fixture? The various time differences across Europe, don't seem to be accounted for either.

What I want to see got rid of, are play-offs, and would prefer group games to end in November, as they were until the mid-90's. It's unfair that away goals, penalties, or handballs in one stand alone game can determine a two-year series.

[pineapple stu]

The journalist's interpretation is that teams will be expected to play double headers. playing on a Friday and on a Sunday or play on a Saturday and a Monday.
There's six days for games - Thursday, Friday, Saturday, Sunday, Monday and Tuesday. So I imagine you'd have, say -

Thurs - Gp A, B, C
Fri - Gp D, E, F
Sat - Gp G, H, I
Sun - Gp A, B, C
Mon - Gp D, E, F
Tue - Gp G, H, I

So no Fri/Sun or Sat/Mon combinations. The gaps are still a bit shorter than the old Sat/Wed ones though. It does seem like a bit of a fob to the clubs again. The pubs will be delighted though.

Shouldn't be too much trouble for the teams with charter flights and what have you. But if they arrange the fixtures so that we have the Faroes away on Thursday and Kazakhstan away on Sunday, there'll be killings!

[BonnieShels]

I'm sure the fixture meetings will continue to ensure that the above scenario won't happen.

Also there's no indication that we would have to utilise both matchdays in each window.

[pineapple stu]

I'm sure the fixture meetings will continue to ensure that the above scenario won't happen.
Can I remind you that the FAI are arranging our fixtures?

[BonnieShels]

Can I remind you that the FAI are arranging our fixtures?

Normally I would share your pessimism but they are good at this one thing.

[mypost]

So I imagine you'd have, say -

Thurs - Gp A, B, C
Fri - Gp D, E, F
Sat - Gp G, H, I
Sun - Gp A, B, C
Mon - Gp D, E, F
Tue - Gp G, H, I

It'll be something like that, but they'll shuffle the days around, like in the CL. One group will have Thurs-Sun one week, then Fri-Mon the next week etc.

It may not apply to the next qualifying campaign. The idea still needs FIFA approval, plus one Group's fixtures has already been arranged on the existing calendar.

[geysir]

Back to original post about the schedule for the qualifier. Although the draw was done early this time, the schedule negotiations may just follow past practice.

You'd think that UEFA would be aiming to try and arrange some overall schedule that would be more sellable for tv purposes, rather than wait for the schedules that would result from the traditional methods of negotiations. Proactive interfering isn't beyond them.

[legendz]

The new fixtures plan will come into place for the 2016 qualifiers. It won't have any affect on the next qualifying campaign. I agree with the move. It's not good for the game to have weekends free. Having games over 6 days will maximise exposure. It's great for supporters as well. There'll be more of a chance to keep an eye on other groups as well as our own. Previously internationals would be on a Wednesday and then players would be back playing with their clubs on the Saturday. I don't think playing Thursday & Sunday, Friday & Monday and Saturday & Tuesday will be much of a problem. Clubs involved in Europe have to play games within that timescale.

[Crosby87]

I hate the Friday games. Hopefully we will get some Saturday action again. UEFA needs to consider all of us fools who don't live in Europe. Hard to leave work every Friday when it is game time.

[ArdeeBhoy]

Yeah, like they are even remotely bothered about people in Europe, let alone elsewhere...

[Crosby87]

You should come here and protest Ardee! Anything goes.

[mypost]

The new fixtures plan will come into place for the 2016 qualifiers. It won't have any affect on the next qualifying campaign. I agree with the move. It's not good for the game to have weekends free. Having games over 6 days will maximise exposure. It's great for supporters as well. There'll be more of a chance to keep an eye on other groups as well as our own. Previously internationals would be on a Wednesday and then players would be back playing with their clubs on the Saturday. I don't think playing Thursday & Sunday, Friday & Monday and Saturday & Tuesday will be much of a problem. Clubs involved in Europe have to play games within that timescale.

You ask the average LOI punter, and he'll tell you that Friday is not a standard rough tiring weekday, but "part of the weekend".

Can't con UEFA though. They have it in place for one campaign, and have come to the natural conclusion that nobody wants to play football on a Friday night. They're now going to revise the calendar, so that there are games at the weekends for everybody, fans, players, and officials alike.

[gspain]

UEFA are trying to maximise tv revenue and exposure. It also gives fans the opportunity to watch other games on tv.

It makes perfect sense to me and I think it is a good development. However I'd rather have an extra day between games.

[Macy]

You ask the average LOI punter, and he'll tell you that Friday is not a standard rough tiring weekday, but "part of the weekend".

Can't con UEFA though. They have it in place for one campaign, and have come to the natural conclusion that nobody wants to play football on a Friday night. They're now going to revise the calendar, so that there are games at the weekends for everybody, fans, players, and officials alike.
The clubs select their match night, not the FAI (bar the final match day where all games must kick off at the same time).

[Gather round]

UEFA are trying to maximise tv revenue and exposure. It also gives fans the opportunity to watch other games on tv.

It makes perfect sense to me and I think it is a good development. However I'd rather have an extra day between games

Doesn't one contradict the other? You can only have a) Saturday and Sunday games and b) three full rest days afterwards if c) some of the later games are on a Thursday. Which the clubs wouldn't accept.

[mypost]

If you play Thursday, you don't play Saturday. If you play Sunday, it was three days since your last game. Of the international week, those who play Thursday-Sunday, are the first and last to finish their games.

The FAI shouldn't allow Friday night league games in the first place. UEFA will allow it in the new calendar, but teams won't be allowed to play on it all the time, like it does here.