Bus Eireann sponsor Women's National League

[A face]

Bus Eireann sponsor Women's National League


The Football Association of Ireland today (September 28) announced Bus Éireann, Ireland’s national coach and bus service, as title sponsor of the Women’s National League. Bus Éireann are delighted to be involved and support this new development in Women’s Football, and through this title sponsorship look forward to being involved in the growth of the Women’s National League in the long term.

Since the launch of the FAI’s Women’s Development Plan in 2006, the numbers of registered female players have doubled, coaching standards have improved nationwide, international rankings have increased at all age levels, a comprehensive emerging talent programme has been rolled out, and there are currently 31 women’s leagues operating throughout the country. The Women’s National League is a cornerstone in the Women’s Development plan, and aims to nurture and develop talent to a whole new level


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[LmkSnr]

Nice spin for the average reader in the daily star.BUT the question is with all the hush hush at local level how will it be good for the womens game. With league teams being formed as club teams .
1. how many teams will be broken up to form 1 leag team.
2. all underage players will not be considered for the national team unless they play for a national league team.SO there is no reason for local clubs to continue to be successful because it will not be rewarded.
sad people

[A face]

Nice spin for the average reader in the daily star.BUT the question is with all the hush hush at local level how will it be good for the womens game. With league teams being formed as club teams .
1. how many teams will be broken up to form 1 leag team.
2. all underage players will not be considered for the national team unless they play for a national league team.SO there is no reason for local clubs to continue to be successful because it will not be rewarded.
sad people

But you have to allow players have a platform where they can progress to the highest level of their ability. Its unfair to block them ..... Whats is your solution to that issue?

[Pedro m]

But you have to allow players have a platform where they can progress to the highest level of their ability. Its unfair to block them ..... Whats is your solution to that issue?


It ain't what you do its the way that you do it ...................

This needed to be done but god knows at what cost. Leading up to this there was a list of criteria offer to clubs interested in joining
Some were
a max of two clubs from Dublin
Having a viable underage girls section with a quality coaching structure in place
An U17 Girls team this season was compulsory
amongst others

Wilton were not accepted for whatever reason even though they met most if not all of the criteria, even though some clubs haven't met the criteria and the planned number of participants had not been reached - 8
That Wilton team and prob club will prob be obliterated now with the Cork team cherry picking from them and others.
No doubt all the teams will be cherry picking the best of talent around them around them not a lot can be done about that. Although there are rules in place to stop a club taking more than 3 players from any one club, plus with some of the leagues not finished by end of September and the transfer window closing end september also the National league teams may not be able to plunder as they might want to.

This new league is a necessity but if not done correctly wont last long. Clubs like Wilton being cast aside for clubs that dont even have a Ladies/Girls section is a recipe for disaster.

[A face]

You could be right there but it will all settle down as soon as its up and running a year or two, then you'll see more teams being added and the more the merrier at that stage.

[Pedro m]

You could be right there but it will all settle down as soon as its up and running a year or two, then you'll see more teams being added and the more the merrier at that stage.
If it lasts a year or two - down to 6 teams now

[cornflakes]

If it lasts a year or two - down to 6 teams now

Who's gone?

[Pedro m]

Joey's/Bray

[jw_tfc]

Its disappointing that Bray/Joeys have pulled out at this late stage... Perhaps if it was done earlier and it might have allowed another Club to put in place the organisation/players etc to enter a team. Lets hope that the things that happened in the Dutch League dont happen here.. interesting articles...
http://www.womenssoccerunited.com/profiles/blogs/will-the-dutch-women?xg_source=activity
http://www.womenssoccerunited.com/profiles/blogs/will-the-dutch-women-1

[LmkSnr]

But you have to allow players have a platform where they can progress to the highest level of their ability. Its unfair to block them ..... Whats is your solution to that issue?

Don't think anyone bothered to ask any of the clubs outside of dublin how it might work.Now we will have the so called platform for greatness ;but with so many players being signed up for national league teams with full squads a lot of players will not even get a game.but they can,t return to the club where they play every week and developed their skills.PLUS word is the 3 player rule will be amended so it will be open season on players.

[LmkSnr]

Besides this forum does anyone actually talk about the start up of the national league. Can;t find a start date; fixtures for it or anywhere its being promoted .Cork and limerick league sites dont.t mention it .Clubs don.t mention it.THE ONLY place you hear of it is from players telling other players they have moved clubs and its usually away from the league that they play in.SO will somebody please inform the powers that be its time to put some time into THE WOMENS NATIONAL LEAGUE.

[The One]

Hi LmkSnr.

The official launch is on tomorrow in Aviva Stadium. Bit of background to tide you over......

League begins on 13 November and runs through to early April including League Cup competition. Though how it will work now that Bray/Joeys have withdrawn is anyone's guess.

Main League sponsor is Bus Eireann.

Champions will qualify to play in the qualifying competition for the UEFA Womens Champions League.

No limit to number of players a club can sign.

All games played on Sundays at 14:00

...til tomorrow....

[Pedro m]

Besides this forum does anyone actually talk about the start up of the national league. Can;t find a start date; fixtures for it or anywhere its being promoted .Cork and limerick league sites dont.t mention it .Clubs don.t mention it.THE ONLY place you hear of it is from players telling other players they have moved clubs and its usually away from the league that they play in.SO will somebody please inform the powers that be its time to put some time into THE WOMENS NATIONAL LEAGUE.

There is supposed to be a dedicated website launched this week - till then prob better checking websites of the clubs in I'm sure some of them will cover it
Although some of the clubs aren't even doing that!

[LmkSnr]

OK now its up and running.But where do we get the questions answered.How do all the clubs involved in playing the beautiful game all over the country find out how it effects them.Start date 13th nov how long does it run for.When can a player leave the league if its not for them.What happens the senior cup are all these national league teams allowed into it .Big question . There is no limit to the amount of players a team can sign BUT IS THERE A LIMIT TO THE AMOUNT A TEAM CAN SIGN FROM ANY ONE CLUB. questions questions. HOPE all clubs will be sent the proper details so as not to ruin something that is needed but not railroaded in

[Pedro m]

OK now its up and running.But where do we get the questions answered.How do all the clubs involved in playing the beautiful game all over the country find out how it effects them.


How would it effect clubs all over the country? Apart from the obvious that some clubs have be ruined and have had their players taken - this years WFAI finalist have been obliterated along with Joeys
other than that how will it effect others?



Start date 13th nov how long does it run for.When can a player leave the league if its not for them.


Runs untill end of April with the next season starting earlier next year.
This is nothing new football is football seasons winter/summer are outlined in the rules
Transfer period is dec/jan - any unhappy players can leave then, may need to be regraded to play outside Nat Lge, bigger issue will be the Nat Lge clubs signing players that played summer football, the summer season end at the end of Nov, any player that took part in summer football would require a transfer to play in the Nat Lge or wait till Dec could be quite a few players sitting out the first few games.



What happens the senior cup are all these national league teams allowed into it .Big question .
It would be ridiculous if the Nat Lge clubs were not in the WFAI cup


There is no limit to the amount of players a team can sign BUT IS THERE A LIMIT TO THE AMOUNT A TEAM CAN SIGN FROM ANY ONE CLUB.

There is a limit of 3 that you can transfer from any one club without hassle after that you require written consent to sign subsequent players, as above transferring from other clubs could prove quite a sticky point



questions questions. HOPE all clubs will be sent the proper details so as not to ruin something that is needed but not railroaded in

Who needs to be sent info? Nat Lge clubs? if so most of them have been involved in the LOI before
and this is nothing new, all rules are ultimately from FAI rule book - why complicate it.

Agree completely that this has been railroaded while definitely required. Catherine's and Joeys have lost a large amount of players to Nat Lge along with Wilton and prob more clubs seems to be too much politics around some of the teams that were chosen.

[The One]

Agree completely that this has been railroaded while definitely required. Catherine's and Joeys have lost a large amount of players to Nat Lge along with Wilton and prob more clubs seems to be too much politics around some of the teams that were chosen.

Can't agree here......Catherines never declared an interest in playing in Natl Lge. and Joeys were in it and pulled out(haven't heard why as yet...anyone know?)

As for Wilton, I do agree that they have been shafted as they actually declared an interest and applied to play. I was personally surprised they weren't given a licence. The fact that there is a Cork Lge team almost guarantees that there will be no other teams from Cork in any future Natl Lge.(unless the Cork Lge team pulls out). The same goes for Wexford. Any inclusion of Lge Representative teams restricts the clubs under that Lge's Banner to continuing to play under that Lge as I can't imagine a Lge agreeing to a club within their structure rising to play Natl Lge.

Lots of respect for Castlebar Celtic as the only Club from outside Dublin in the league.

No time for Shamrock Rovers who have not had a women's team for about 6/7 years and I cannot understand how they got a licence as there has been no interest there to have a women's team over that period.......some nodding and winking there I think?

[LmkSnr]

It looks like people within the womens game at grass roots are starting to wake up to the fact that there efforts over the past few years stands for very little.The national league more or less hands the womens game over to most of the league of ireland clubs who really do not have any interest in womens soccer but need it as a reguirement for there own license's.The current league teams that were supported by the clubs within each league [ wexord cork and limerick leagues] have now been handed over to these league of ireland clubs with out any consultation with all the clubs involved in each league no meetings or votes.
AS I MENTIONED BEFORE RAILROADING NEVER WORKS

[jw_tfc]

league of ireland clubs who really do not have any interest in womens soccer but need it as a reguirement for there own license's.

The FAI Club Licensing Manual for 2011 dont state that...

The licence applicant should have an adult women’s team and at least one underage girls team. The underage girl’s team can cover any age up to under 16.
Its graded at criteria C... “BEST PRACTICE”: C-criteria are best practice recommendations. Non-fulfilment of any C-criteria does not lead to any sanction or to the refusal of the licence. Certain C-criteria may become “MUST” criteria at a later stage.

On a side note, last time I checked, not many women teams have the proper infrastructure that is required for National League.. so at least the LOI Clubs have these facilities.
You should really have a look at the FAI Club Licensing Manual and indeed the requirements set out for the Womens Nat League.
Its clear to see that people want the new league to fail... Look at the LOI, 3 Clubs in Galway not sustainable, a Galway League team with the best players in a team makes so much sense, every single "Junior Club" can still survive.. People failing to see the bigger picture.. Its about the overall game with the proper and correct structures not all about "your club, my Club".. Quit the cribbing and moaning, its going to be a fantastic league for the 6 teams involved. They should be applauded for their efforts.

[Pedro m]

Can't agree here......Catherines never declared an interest in playing in Natl Lge. and Joeys were in it and pulled out(haven't heard why as yet...anyone know?)

As for Wilton, I do agree that they have been shafted as they actually declared an interest and applied to play. I was personally surprised they weren't given a licence. The fact that there is a Cork Lge team almost guarantees that there will be no other teams from Cork in any future Natl Lge.(unless the Cork Lge team pulls out). The same goes for Wexford. Any inclusion of Lge Representative teams restricts the clubs under that Lge's Banner to continuing to play under that Lge as I can't imagine a Lge agreeing to a club within their structure rising to play Natl Lge.

Lots of respect for Castlebar Celtic as the only Club from outside Dublin in the league.

No time for Shamrock Rovers who have not had a women's team for about 6/7 years and I cannot understand how they got a licence as there has been no interest there to have a women's team over that period.......some nodding and winking there I think?

Agree Catherine's never tried to enter the Nat Lge - but should they be punished for that. Participants in the DWSL from Sen down for the last decade and more have now lost vast majority of their first team

Wilton also - did the Cork League even have a senior team this year?

And agree completely on Rovers - once you've a stadium the rest doesn't seem to matter

[Pedro m]

The FAI Club Licensing Manual for 2011 dont state that...

The licence applicant should have an adult women’s team and at least one underage girls team. The underage girl’s team can cover any age up to under 16.
Its graded at criteria C... “BEST PRACTICE”: C-criteria are best practice recommendations. Non-fulfilment of any C-criteria does not lead to any sanction or to the refusal of the licence. Certain C-criteria may become “MUST” criteria at a later stage.

And as with a lot of things LOI if its not compulsory why bother




On a side note, last time I checked, not many women teams have the proper infrastructure that is required for National League.. so at least the LOI Clubs have these facilities.
You should really have a look at the FAI Club Licensing Manual and indeed the requirements set out for the Womens Nat League.

While some might not have their own they could quite easily get access to the required facilities sure any of the Dublin clubs could apply to use the public facility in Tallaght?

Interesting when you look through for the Women's Criteria

http://www.fai.ie/images/stories/2011_FAI_Club_Licensing_Manual.pdf



Its clear to see that people want the new league to fail... Look at the LOI, 3 Clubs in Galway not sustainable, a Galway League team with the best players in a team makes so much sense, every single "Junior Club" can still survive.. People failing to see the bigger picture.. Its about the overall game with the proper and correct structures not all about "your club, my Club".. Quit the cribbing and moaning, its going to be a fantastic league for the 6 teams involved. They should be applauded for their efforts.

I dont think people want this league to fail I believe people want things done right and as you say in your example 3 clubs in Galway are not sustainable the same is true of more than 2 clubs in Dublin in this Nat Lge, this has been proven already with Joey's folding before the league starts.
Its about the bigger picture? In other words the little people dont matter?
Its about the overall game with the proper and correct structures not all about "your club, my Club"..?
It is about the correct and proper structures - there have been several clubs in the last decade or so that have dominated the DWSL Prem and WFAI Cup most were one hit wonders lasting a few seasons UCD/Francis/Rovers - where were they this year? all gone because they just cared about senior and hadn't a proper underage structure. - Francis were the closest to having an underage structure but had too few teams to last.
The Nat Lge prob came a year or 2 too early for Joey's an excellent underage set up but poor at Senior
Cork - their future will depend on how the clubs there react next AGM could see the end of them as there is a lot of hostility to how the have set this up
Castlebar - dont know a whole lot about them but the only team in Connaught could see them succeed, travel will be expensive and take its toll maybe
Wexford - are the Wexford Yth's or League ? Like Castlebar no rivals in the region do they have underage teams?
Raheny - Currently one of the top teams in the country good underage structure
Peamount - as Raheny one of the top teams and very good underage
Rovers - Unknown entity as no recent involvement in game, looking at the metropolitan girls league no underage teams how long will they last if they struggle in first?

Quit the cribbing and moaning? If it was done right then none involved would be afraid of critics

It just seems to be one thing after another the latest seems to be the eligibility of players signed from other clubs,apparently and amazingly the clubs including 4 clubs with National league experience/League selections failed to transfer the players they required before the end of September to have them eligible for first three games. But that will be someone else's fault also!

[The One]

Catherines and others losing players because word coming from Intl squads is that if you want to even have a chance to play at that level, you need to be playing Natl Lge...and if you are not...then get to a club that is.

Eligibility: it is my understanding that there are no rules for this league. jw_tfc, you are involved in the league. Are there rules available to read in relation to eligibility? I was lead to believe that it is open season and anyone can sign for anyone? Stephanie Roche was playing fr Bray/Joeys in Summer, then played for Peamount in CL, then went back to Bray/Joeys...who collapsed....and then went back to Peamount?
Is there not a UEFA limit of 2 clubs you can play for or two transfers in any season and you cannot move back to the same club twice.....can someone correct me on this if I'm wrong...thanks. In DWSL if team breaks up, all the players become the "property" of the league and cannot move anywhere without the agreement of the league?

Anyway what do the rules of the Natl lge say on transfers and signings?

[cornflakes]

http://wexfordwomenssoccer.blogspot.com/


Wexford Youths Womens AFC Prepare for National League
The newly formed Wexford Youth Womens AFC will open their Bus Eireann National League campign with a home match in Ferrycarrig Park against Castlebar Celtic on Sunday November 13th. This new club is an extension of the Wexford Womens and Schoolgirls League and will be playing under the banner of Wexford Youths Womens AFC and will give the elite players within the league an opportunity to play at the highest level in the country. Several well known people from within the game in the county are involved with John Flood been given the responsibility of the day to day management of the team with John Michael Porter taking on the role of Director of Football. Well known coach Jack Stafford has been appointed as head coach and is ably assisted by Will Doyle, Tom Elmes as well as student coach Dylan Mernagh while John Floods management team consistes of Lizzie Kent, Billy Donnelly and Bobby Murphy. Nigel Fitzharris is team physio who also brings a wealth of League of Ireland experience with him. Other people who have assisted by scouting players are Brendan Kehoe, Barry O Neill, John Webster, Martin O Connor, Freddie Robinson and Peter Jacob. All these people are backed by a strong administrative team that include Daire Doyle (Chairman) Ashling Kavanagh (Finance) Peter Doyle (Media and Commercial) Deirdre O Connor (Marketing) and Emma English Byrne (Administrator). The remainder of the Wexford Womens League committee are also on board in other various roles such as youth development, child protection and promotion so it is a busy time ahead for all individulals involved. Barry Dempsey and Aine Murphy are heavily involved in the League Training Centre which is the first step for players who have ambitions of playing National League and International. Martin Cahill, Tom Dunne and Jenny McLoughlin are all involved at ground level and will be available to carry out various duties while Elayne Grant is Child Protection Officer. The time that have been voluntarily put into this project to date by these people is exceptional and the club would not be where it is now but for the efforts of all committee, managers, coaches and volunteers alike and for that they must be thanked. This is the first year of the National Womens League in the country and the decision was taken by the league to apply for a place to give the elite players within the league and surrounding areas an opportunity to play at the highest level available and to increase the players chances of being selected for International duty. Twenty six clubs originally applied for a licence to participate and after a long process, this was eventually broken down to seven who passed the criteria and a week before the launch, one of those clubs decided to withdraw. Last Thursday saw the official launch of the league in the Aviva Stadium with the announcement of the fixtures for the coming season with Wexford delighted to be at home in the first match against Castlebar. This will be followed by an away match to Peamount United who will still be on a high from their exploits in the Champions League where they reached the last thirty two. A week later Wexford will travel to Tallaght to take on Shamrock Rovers, a club who are taking this league very seriously and the following week will see Wexford host Raheny United in Ferrycarrig before rounding off the first round of fixtures away to Cork Womens League. The teams will play each other three times, giving a total of fifteen games, with the league ending in May 2012 and the winners qualifying for next years Womens Champions League. As the biggest Schoolgirls league in the country and second biggest Womens league, it is hoped that this new venture will be supported in numbers as several players on the squad have progressed through the league at some stage in their careers to date. We will give a full run down of the players on the squad next week as well as details of the upcoming opening fixture.

[Pedro m]

Catherines and others losing players because word coming from Intl squads is that if you want to even have a chance to play at that level, you need to be playing Natl Lge...and if you are not...then get to a club that is.

Eligibility: it is my understanding that there are no rules for this league. jw_tfc, you are involved in the league. Are there rules available to read in relation to eligibility? I was lead to believe that it is open season and anyone can sign for anyone? Stephanie Roche was playing fr Bray/Joeys in Summer, then played for Peamount in CL, then went back to Bray/Joeys...who collapsed....and then went back to Peamount?
Is there not a UEFA limit of 2 clubs you can play for or two transfers in any season and you cannot move back to the same club twice.....can someone correct me on this if I'm wrong...thanks. In DWSL if team breaks up, all the players become the "property" of the league and cannot move anywhere without the agreement of the league?

Anyway what do the rules of the Natl lge say on transfers and signings?

May well be pressure from representative squads

There is no specific rules for any league
There are 2 season each winter (ends June 30th) and Summer (ends Nov 30th). Women's football has been for the most part summer. If you wish to move from summer football to play with another team in winter football you can either transfer before end of sept transfer window or wait till season ends in the end of Nov and sign as a free agent.
Did Steph Roche sign back for Joey's? I know one cork player signed back to wilton and didn't play PSG' games for Peamount.

Its in the FAI rules and occurs regularly with LOI clubs and releasing players to junior clubs playing winter leagues

http://www.munsterseniorleague.ie/admin/documents/files/20110406T125330.pdf

[jw_tfc]

Catherines and others losing players because word coming from Intl squads is that if you want to even have a chance to play at that level, you need to be playing Natl Lge...and if you are not...then get to a club that is.

Eligibility: it is my understanding that there are no rules for this league. jw_tfc, you are involved in the league. Are there rules available to read in relation to eligibility? I was lead to believe that it is open season and anyone can sign for anyone? Stephanie Roche was playing fr Bray/Joeys in Summer, then played for Peamount in CL, then went back to Bray/Joeys...who collapsed....and then went back to Peamount?
Is there not a UEFA limit of 2 clubs you can play for or two transfers in any season and you cannot move back to the same club twice.....can someone correct me on this if I'm wrong...thanks. In DWSL if team breaks up, all the players become the "property" of the league and cannot move anywhere without the agreement of the league?

Anyway what do the rules of the Natl lge say on transfers and signings?

To my absolute full knowledge, there is no restrictions on the transfer & signing of players from any team... Teams are able to sign as many players as they like, from who and where they like... International clearance is obviously required for players who's last club was outside of the Rep of Ireland.
Transfer Window closes 4th Nov and re-opens 1st Feb and then closes the end of Feb.
No "Free Transfers" allowed, players only able to sign during the open windows.

I wouldnt imagine that Bray/St Josephs Signed any players...
The league needs to start somewhere with no restrcitions, if a girl wants to play in the League, local leagues shouldnt have red tape in the way to stop her.
I would imagine next season, transfer forms would be required if the Nat League is to start in August.. Only my guess..
The FAI Forms supersedes any "Local League" from what we understand.

It makes sense that the best players play in the League and players for the Senior Int Squad are selected from here.
I dont think Trap would pick players from the LSL, UCFL, etc?

[LmkSnr]

Thanks pedro for your comments at least there is still a few left in the game that understands why questions are being asked.I find jw-tfc comments a bit distasteful .Dont actually think trap is involved in the womens game and a few people should be keeping there feet on the ground concerning the national leag.It is wrong to force players especially underage players to sign for national sides if they want to be considered for an international team.Explain how in a 6 team league if each squad signs even just 20 players how players will progress if most dont actually get any game time .Remember you always play your best 11 and that will be in every game.Wilton and Lifford fc are two of the most committed womens clubs in the country and should have been supported to be involved and not just cast aside.

[jw_tfc]

Drawing a comparison... Nothing distasteful.. I specifically said the Senior International Team..
The best players play in the top leagues all over the world..
Did you ask the Clubs (Lifford & Wilton) why they were cast aside?
You do realise the cost to the Clubs to play in this League is in the region of €18k-€25k.... Its a lot of money for committed womens clubs to put into a campaign.
Looking back at LmkSenr comment, my Club at Terenure, we would be committed, we would have the financial resources in the short term but we dont have the infrastructure, expertise etc to enter a Nat League side.. we could enter for one season and fold the club as everything would be drained. My thinking is the Clubs who didnt enter did not want this risk.
I develop players (Boys, Girls, Men & Women), if the opportunity comes for any player in the Club to make a move to a National League Club, abroad, intermediate LSL, we dont stand in their way nor do we crib or moan about it.. Developing players with the hope of some of them one day making it at the highest level possible..
The Dutch League started with 8 Clubs in their league, in the first two seasons, the club that won the league ending up folding due to finances.
Its obviously in the opinion of the FAI through the application process that the 6 Clubs who are going to compete are the most sustainable.. They (FAI) have said they want to expand the League, maybe just maybe the the Clubs you mentioned are going to enter in Season 2 or 3 when they have all the resources and finances in place.
Over the years the past few years, look how many League of Ireland Clubs folded...

[Pedro m]

To my absolute full knowledge, there is no restrictions on the transfer & signing of players from any team... Teams are able to sign as many players as they like, from who and where they like... International clearance is obviously required for players who's last club was outside of the Rep of Ireland.
Transfer Window closes 4th Nov and re-opens 1st Feb and then closes the end of Feb.
No "Free Transfers" allowed, players only able to sign during the open windows.

I wouldnt imagine that Bray/St Josephs Signed any players...
The league needs to start somewhere with no restrcitions, if a girl wants to play in the League, local leagues shouldnt have red tape in the way to stop her.
I would imagine next season, transfer forms would be required if the Nat League is to start in August.. Only my guess..
The FAI Forms supersedes any "Local League" from what we understand.

It makes sense that the best players play in the League and players for the Senior Int Squad are selected from here.
I dont think Trap would pick players from the LSL, UCFL, etc?

Are you seriously involved with a club in the National League? Can't be in any position of authority with statements like this

The FAI Forms supersedes any "Local League" from what we understand.


there is no restrictions on the transfer & signing of players from any team... Teams are able to sign as many players as they like, from who and where they like.

Have a read of the FAI rules they cant be changed till the next AGM and every team under the jurisdiction of the FAI are bound by them

[Pedro m]

Drawing a comparison... Nothing distasteful.. I specifically said the Senior International Team..
The best players play in the top leagues all over the world..
Did you ask the Clubs (Lifford & Wilton) why they were cast aside?
You do realise the cost to the Clubs to play in this League is in the region of €18k-€25k.... Its a lot of money for committed womens clubs to put into a campaign.
Looking back at LmkSenr comment, my Club at Terenure, we would be committed, we would have the financial resources in the short term but we dont have the infrastructure, expertise etc to enter a Nat League side.. we could enter for one season and fold the club as everything would be drained. My thinking is the Clubs who didnt enter did not want this risk.
I develop players (Boys, Girls, Men & Women), if the opportunity comes for any player in the Club to make a move to a National League Club, abroad, intermediate LSL, we dont stand in their way nor do we crib or moan about it.. Developing players with the hope of some of them one day making it at the highest level possible..
The Dutch League started with 8 Clubs in their league, in the first two seasons, the club that won the league ending up folding due to finances.
Its obviously in the opinion of the FAI through the application process that the 6 Clubs who are going to compete are the most sustainable.. They (FAI) have said they want to expand the League, maybe just maybe the the Clubs you mentioned are going to enter in Season 2 or 3 when they have all the resources and finances in place.
Over the years the past few years, look how many League of Ireland Clubs folded...

The teams not accepted were told they didn't meet the criteria - yet others that didn't either were accepted instead. Last time I looked the LOI hadn't exactly been a roaring success IMO due in the main to the clubs' lack of interest in underage development over the last 3 decades. The DDSL U15/16 Premier is one of the highest standard leagues of schoolboy football in Europe, the top DDSL division apparently exports one of the highest percentages of players to professional clubs, but the LOI clubs have chosen to ignore this until recently and are playing catch up to the DDSL clubs.
The message the FAI have sent by admitting the likes of Rovers in is that it doesn't matter what you've done in the Women's game once you've the use of a stadium.
At Terenure you'd encourage you're players to go t higher clubs? So if a club in the league above tried to take you're entire squad you'd let them leave with you're blessing?

€18k-€25k to run a team in the Nat Lge? very broad figure considering the budget submissions that were required to enter
How much do you think a club spends on running a senior women's team for league cup and gets to latter stages of WFAI? Then throw in several underage teams who again get to latter stages of national comps?

You seem to have misunderstood the sentiment of what has been said by a few on here
again its not about wanting this Nat Lge to fail its about wanting it done right

[Pedro m]

Thanks pedro for your comments at least there is still a few left in the game that understands why questions are being asked.I find jw-tfc comments a bit distasteful .Dont actually think trap is involved in the womens game and a few people should be keeping there feet on the ground concerning the national leag.It is wrong to force players especially underage players to sign for national sides if they want to be considered for an international team.Explain how in a 6 team league if each squad signs even just 20 players how players will progress if most dont actually get any game time .Remember you always play your best 11 and that will be in every game.Wilton and Lifford fc are two of the most committed womens clubs in the country and should have been supported to be involved and not just cast aside.

Agreed - maybe when the success is not forthcoming we'll see how committed these new women's clubs are

[jw_tfc]

Pedro m I've sent you a PM.

[munsterman]

I've chosen not to post on this site for ages but can't stay silent anymore. Pedro m and LmKSnr where are you getting your information. The Cork Women's FC is not a league team I'm 100% sure of this nor is it a Cork City FC team it is a club and even tho it is totally seperate issue, the Cork League have always entered the national cup reaching the semi final on 4 or 5 occasions i think since 2004. This year and last year they were knocked out by the eventual winners 1 - 0 and 3 - 1 respectively both games away, and last year knocked Wilton out, despite Wilton getting the game called off at least three times so that they would have a 16 year old available to play incidentally if i'm correct then that was wilton's second or maybe third year in a row not getting past the first round.<br>&nbsp;I think only five Wilton players were signed by Cork.<br>&nbsp;And if jw_tfc is not correct as you claim then all the clubs are in a lot of trouble regards signing players.<br>Also on jw_tfc's point regarding international football if Emma Byrne decided to go and play for a team in the third tier of the Cork league then how well prepared would she be for international football. The players who want to play international football should be challenging themselves week in week out. It makes sense that the international manager's will pick players primarily in the top league..<br>&nbsp;Even if the 6 clubs only use the same 11 players every game, we have 66 domestic players playing at a higher level every week not to mind the other girls who will get quality training and lets be honest far more than 66 will play before Christmas not to mind over the course of their season. And as the league expands that number will expand too.<br>&nbsp;I also agree finances must be a major consideration. Jw_tfc gave a figure and I trust that it's a good ball park figure. To say that clubs are spending heavily anyway in reaching the national cup latter stages is fine but what you must remember Pedro m is that the cost you are referring to in National cup and local league would have to have another €20k or so added to them toparticipate in the WNL.<br>&nbsp;And while i'm no expert I would also assume the forms of the FAI supersede local forms otherwise what would the point of appealing anything to the FAI be? What rule in the FAI book are you referring to? jw_tfc didn't say he'd encourage his players to all go to the league above.<br>&nbsp;As far as i know the November 30th Rule for summer soccer season is a wfai rule not an fai rule, but I could be wrong.<br>&nbsp;I do think it'd be great for the likes of Limerick and Galway to have a club in the league and other areas too and hopefully they will if the league expands.<br>&nbsp;In my opinion and again I could be wrong but it does seem like some people are being very negative about the league. I hope everyone will support it when it kicks off because it could be great for the players involved and players who will be involved down the line and inspire more girls to play which will benefit everyone. good luck jw_tfc with whatever club you are involved in.

[LmkSnr]

If cork womens team is not actually a league team and not a cork city team is it a college team.Also how was it put together if not from the league teams .Were clubs informed of the new set up when they were senting there players for trials.ie. that it was a new club and that the players were not allowed return to there clubs as it always had been.Can sense you have no love for wilton 'munsterman.But can tell you without checking they did get past the first round most years in the senior cup were a tough draw to get and it took a good team to beat them.Wilton were beaten finalists last year but it probably was the occasion that caught them and being at home put more pressure on. 5 PLAYERS is a lot to be taken from one team if they are all internationals. WELL DONE.

[munsterman]

Cork is a club. Just like Peamount etc are. The National league is for Clubs league team can not enter as they do in the senior cup. All the local clubs were informed of the things you mentioned as far as I am aware but also the players when they went on trial were definitely informed, hopefully that answers that part of your post? No players were asked to leave their local clubs. Players chose to go on trial with the club and some were then offered registration.
I have nothing against Wilton, that's a bit harsh. I was there supporting them in the national cup final like loads more who were involved in other clubs but were shouting for Wilton. and I have gone to a few of their games over the years when I've had time. They had a very good season. I was just pointing out that some people were questioning the Cork leagues record in the senior cup and that prior to this year Wilton hadn't got past the first round for two or three years. That last part might not be fully correct but they definitely didn't win a match in the 2010 or 2009 cup. Perhaps they got a bye or something in 09 I'm only pointing this out because the senior cup was brought up it's nothing against Wilton and i did not say they don't get past the first round most years, you are exaggerating my comment. Also five players chose to sign with the Cork club from Wilton, that was the players choice just like two chose to sign for Peamount earlier in the year. We do agree on something however which is that unfortunately maybe the occasion did get to Wilton. My point wasn't to knock any club or person, just pointing out things that weren't correct the main thing is was trying to say in my last post, I hope everyone will support it when it kicks off because it could be great and the girls in it deserve a lot of support for getting to that level

[The One]

http://www.uefa.com/uefa/footballfirst/footballdevelopment/hattrick/news/newsid=1700570.html The Cork "club" is officially listed on the UEFA Site as Cork Women's LEAGUE.......maybe the name has changed?

Either way, everyone knows that the Cork League is the real engine behind the Cork team.

Wexford team is also a League Team.

Actual Clubs are:

Raheny United
Peamount United
Castlebar Celtic
Shamrock Rovers

[munsterman]

Did You read the second paragraph under the picture where it pays Cork Women's Fc? They've obviously made a mistake is the team can't have two names. I'm not commenting on Wexford i don't know anyone in Wexford so dunno What their situation is. If the cork league were the engine behind cork Women's Fc would the squad be exclusively players who play in the cork league?

[Pedro m]

I've chosen not to post on this site for ages but can't stay silent anymore. Pedro m and LmKSnr where are you getting your information. The Cork Women's FC is not a league team I'm 100% sure of this nor is it a Cork City FC team it is a club and even tho it is totally seperate issue, the Cork League have always entered the national cup reaching the semi final on 4 or 5 occasions i think since 2004. This year and last year they were knocked out by the eventual winners 1 - 0 and 3 - 1 respectively both games away, and last year knocked Wilton out, despite Wilton getting the game called off at least three times so that they would have a 16 year old available to play incidentally if i'm correct then that was wilton's second or maybe third year in a row not getting past the first round.<br>*I think only five Wilton players were signed by Cork.<br>*And if jw_tfc is not correct as you claim then all the clubs are in a lot of trouble regards signing players.<br>Also on jw_tfc's point regarding international football if Emma Byrne decided to go and play for a team in the third tier of the Cork league then how well prepared would she be for international football. The players who want to play international football should be challenging themselves week in week out. It makes sense that the international manager's will pick players primarily in the top league..<br>*Even if the 6 clubs only use the same 11 players every game, we have 66 domestic players playing at a higher level every week not to mind the other girls who will get quality training and lets be honest far more than 66 will play before Christmas not to mind over the course of their season. And as the league expands that number will expand too.<br>*I also agree finances must be a major consideration. Jw_tfc gave a figure and I trust that it's a good ball park figure. To say that clubs are spending heavily anyway in reaching the national cup latter stages is fine but what you must remember Pedro m is that the cost you are referring to in National cup and local league would have to have another €20k or so added to them toparticipate in the WNL.<br>*And while i'm no expert I would also assume the forms of the FAI supersede local forms otherwise what would the point of appealing anything to the FAI be? What rule in the FAI book are you referring to? jw_tfc didn't say he'd encourage his players to all go to the league above.<br>*As far as i know the November 30th Rule for summer soccer season is a wfai rule not an fai rule, but I could be wrong.<br>*I do think it'd be great for the likes of Limerick and Galway to have a club in the league and other areas too and hopefully they will if the league expands.<br>*In my opinion and again I could be wrong but it does seem like some people are being very negative about the league. I hope everyone will support it when it kicks off because it could be great for the players involved and players who will be involved down the line and inspire more girls to play which will benefit everyone. good luck jw_tfc with whatever club you are involved in.


Rules 30 -34 in particular 32 & 34

http://www.munsterseniorleague.ie/admin/documents/files/20110406T125330.pdf

[Pedro m]

Pedro m I've sent you a PM.

and replied to

[LmkSnr]

Its seriously hard to take in that if the Cork women fc team for the national league have no link what so ever to the cork womens league or cork city how on earth did they get a licence.Must have no underage no ground .I know they have a few players from other leagues but that wont work going forward.Its hard to know if all the league teams involved really had a good look at whats on offer.Cork or any other league team that is changed to a club team has to offer something both ways or else it wont work.Standard in the leagues must get better not just drained for a year or so until someone figures out there is a problem.

[Pedro m]

I've chosen not to post on this site for ages but can't stay silent anymore. Pedro m and LmKSnr where are you getting your information. The Cork Women's FC is not a league team I'm 100% sure of this nor is it a Cork City FC team it is a club and even tho it is totally seperate issue, the Cork League have always entered the national cup reaching the semi final on 4 or 5 occasions i think since 2004. This year and last year they were knocked out by the eventual winners 1 - 0 and 3 - 1 respectively both games away, and last year knocked Wilton out, despite Wilton getting the game called off at least three times so that they would have a 16 year old available to play incidentally if i'm correct then that was wilton's second or maybe third year in a row not getting past the first round.<br>*I think only five Wilton players were signed by Cork.<br>*And if jw_tfc is not correct as you claim then all the clubs are in a lot of trouble regards signing players.<br>Also on jw_tfc's point regarding international football if Emma Byrne decided to go and play for a team in the third tier of the Cork league then how well prepared would she be for international football. The players who want to play international football should be challenging themselves week in week out. It makes sense that the international manager's will pick players primarily in the top league..<br>*Even if the 6 clubs only use the same 11 players every game, we have 66 domestic players playing at a higher level every week not to mind the other girls who will get quality training and lets be honest far more than 66 will play before Christmas not to mind over the course of their season. And as the league expands that number will expand too.<br>*I also agree finances must be a major consideration. Jw_tfc gave a figure and I trust that it's a good ball park figure. To say that clubs are spending heavily anyway in reaching the national cup latter stages is fine but what you must remember Pedro m is that the cost you are referring to in National cup and local league would have to have another €20k or so added to them toparticipate in the WNL.<br>*And while i'm no expert I would also assume the forms of the FAI supersede local forms otherwise what would the point of appealing anything to the FAI be? What rule in the FAI book are you referring to? jw_tfc didn't say he'd encourage his players to all go to the league above.<br>*As far as i know the November 30th Rule for summer soccer season is a wfai rule not an fai rule, but I could be wrong.<br>*I do think it'd be great for the likes of Limerick and Galway to have a club in the league and other areas too and hopefully they will if the league expands.<br>*In my opinion and again I could be wrong but it does seem like some people are being very negative about the league. I hope everyone will support it when it kicks off because it could be great for the players involved and players who will be involved down the line and inspire more girls to play which will benefit everyone. good luck jw_tfc with whatever club you are involved in.

Article in today's Star seems to say a few teams are in a spot of bother for first few games

[jw_tfc]

Most definitely true re registrations in the article. Unfortunate for all the affected girls that they cant play until the 4th game. I was totally wrong with earlier comments as highlighted but I simply passed on what information I heard.
Best of luck to all teams on the inaugural weekend of games.

[LmkSnr]

The report in the star does not help the womens game.Everyone involved in football that had players that were interested in playing in the league made sure the deadline was met.The reason we questioned how everything was set up is so a disaster could be avoided.When the powers that be decide to exclude every club side in the country and only inform an elite few things go very wrong.Word is a few teams were caught cold especially in the west.PLUS a lot of parents are very angry with girls expected to travel up to 3 hours at a time to train and play with a new league side so they might get an international call up.
ITS GOOD TO TALK.

[Pedro m]

The report in the star does not help the womens game.Everyone involved in football that had players that were interested in playing in the league made sure the deadline was met.The reason we questioned how everything was set up is so a disaster could be avoided.When the powers that be decide to exclude every club side in the country and only inform an elite few things go very wrong.Word is a few teams were caught cold especially in the west.PLUS a lot of parents are very angry with girls expected to travel up to 3 hours at a time to train and play with a new league side so they might get an international call up.
ITS GOOD TO TALK.

Registration issue could have been sorted by simply starting the league on the 4th of Dec
something that has been planned for years is rushed in

[rasper]

you could be right about teams in the west on saturday celtic played in cup in mayo ran by mayo womens league then the next day played wexford in national league for celtic some of the same players with others having played in their own leagues in october join celtic by november are there any rules regarding this as clubs involved contacted fai very upset dont know what they said

[Closing Time]

Great win for Celtic yesterday 5-1 well worth the win over an average Rovers side. Played some great football in front a crowd around 150-200. U12 girls who won the Mayo Cup the day before where introduced to the crowd at half-time with their league and cup trophies.

[Manfred]

you could be right about teams in the west on saturday celtic played in cup in mayo ran by mayo womens league then the next day played wexford in national league for celtic some of the same players with others having played in their own leagues in october join celtic by november are there any rules regarding this as clubs involved contacted fai very upset dont know what they said

That cup..ran by the mayo womens league...what was that cup comp called? That other point, bit like the player of the match in an u16 cup final for a club in mayo last season and then playing for a different club the following week in an u17 comp. Oh, and no record of any clubs contacting the fai regarding complaints of wnl. Defo prove of a mayo offical doing it though....

[Closing Time]

It’s the Mary Walsh Cup. With regard to U16 Girls Cup Final that would be run by the Mayo Youths while the U17 Girls League was run by the Mayo Women’s League (bit of a power struggle there for players reg etc). Don’t know the clubs or player you refer to but if the player was transferred with in the competition rules where is the problem? What Mayo official contacted the FAI and under what mandate was he told to do so re WNL

[Closing Time]

Read the WNL match report on the Rovers web site; don’t know who could say the game was played on a poor surface. The pitch was in great shape yes it did cut in the centre circle due to the heavy rain we had all week and it was soft underfoot but that’s winter football. The football played by the Celtic team was just outstanding everything played through midfield at pace and the one touch football was great to watch and wasn’t hindered by the so called poor surface. We were all very disappointed with Rovers when they arrived with their home kit and forcing us to play in our away. I know it’s a small point but for a club of Rovers standing I taught it was poor form on their part.

[BuffySham]

you could be right about teams in the west on saturday celtic played in cup in mayo ran by mayo womens league then the next day played wexford in national league for celtic some of the same players with others having played in their own leagues in october join celtic by november are there any rules regarding this as clubs involved contacted fai very upset dont know what they said

Nice to see that a Mayo club is finally in a league ran properly by people who know what they are doing....and have proper spelling and grammar maybe?!.And the WNL will improve standards all over the west especially in Mayo. Obviously rasper has a problem with that!

[Closing Time]

Great result for Celtic today with so many players missing, which shows the strength in depth in the squad. A different level next week when the favourites come to town and no doubt will be smarting from today’s surprise result.