Shamrock Rovers

[paul_oshea]

Ya but what if mccormack goes then and so on and so forth. Key players make that breakthrough happen. Without them it wouldn't happen.

[pineapple stu]

The point is more, that after making the breakthrough that you LOI fans wanted so much, that now the team could well be dismantled and pulled apart. Whats left then?
A couple of million in the bank - prize money, transfer fees, TV fees, merchandise income, sponsorship, etc, etc. More local exposure and pride, which they can use to further improve on gates. Plenty of pull to maybe attract some decent Irish players back home. Roy O'Donovan, Dave Mooney, other players you'd see on tet's list. Maybe even a decent manager. :)

Maybe they won't be able to qualify for the next few years. But this is still just a stepping stone to building the club, not the last stop.

[paul_oshea]

Have the transfers of O'donovan for around 750k benefited cork? Or doyle or Long etc etc? No it (possibly helped) create a new cork city.

The exposure and all other things you have pointed out, was because of the players that are now being linked with moves away from the club.

That exposure wont last long if this is just a one off.

[pineapple stu]

Have the transfers of O'donovan for around 750k benefited cork? Or doyle or Long etc etc? No it (possibly helped) create a new cork city.
It kept them going for a lot longer than they otherwise would have.

It doesn't appear Rovers are paying the stupid wages that abounded at the time - E4k a week being the highest rumour I think. That's a major difference between Rovers and Cork.

[paul_oshea]

Ya I know, but they went chasing glory cashing in on these players with reckless owners spending money they didn't have, these sorta transfers didn't help the club. Rovers have built up well on sustainable(i like that word today) wages, I think its going to be very difficult to work within that and replace that extra bit of quality they have and yet attract the same. They can scour the league and buy up all the best players, but that helps no one(particularly other LOI clubs) in the longer term.

I'm not naive enough to think that better players don't move on, but thats not really the point I'm making. Perhaps the leauge is in a position now to hold onto its players for a little longer or at least pay premiums that reflect the players quality.

[pineapple stu]

Ya I know, but they went chasing glory cashing in on these players with reckless owners spending money they didn't have, these sorta transfers didn't help the club.
The transfers did help the club though. They paid for the reckless glory hunting. If Rovers aren't recklessly glory-hunting, they'll be able to put the money to much better use.

[paul_oshea]

Yep they will be able to, but that doesn't mean they will unearth some gem in the LOI though.

It could just as easy be argued that the reckless glory hunting never came to fruition because they sold the players capable of doing that for them...

[pineapple stu]

Yep they will be able to, but that doesn't mean they will unearth some gem in the LOI though.
They don't have to. UCD will unearth the gem, and they can buy him off us. :)


It could just as easy be argued that the reckless glory hunting never came to fruition because they sold the players capable of doing that for them...
If they hadn't sold the players, they wouldn't have had the money to keep up the reckless glory hunting as long as they did, and so wouldn't have had time to qualify for the groups (say) before running out of cash.

[bwagner]

rohan ricketts going to the shams on bcc

[paul_oshea]

was on rte as well.

Would he really be an addition? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rohan_Ricketts

[TrapAPony]

The rumour was true. Enda Stevens on his way to Aston Villa according to SSN

http://www.skysports.com/story/0,,11677_7140492,00.html

[Charlie Darwin]

was on rte as well.

Would he really be an addition? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rohan_Ricketts
He's about League One standard, roughly the same as Dean Kelly was when he came in at the start of the season. The fixtures are going to pile up since we're already behind schedule so it makes sense to have an extra striker but I doubt he'd make the bench for the Europa ties. Or he might come in and be brilliant, who knows?

[paul_oshea]

Yep so long as he comes in at around the average wage price.

[paul_oshea]

Everyone this side of the water refers to them as Shamrock....

Now most people generally refer to the second name of the team and "pluralise" it depending on the last letter. So I would have assumed everyone called them rovers be default or possibly stretching to shamrocks, but yet everyone is calling them Shamrock...doesn't make sense to me.

Anyway at least Mcleish recognises the deal being good for both parties and acknowledges that, unlike Moyes saying it was a great bit of business - #60k for Seamie Coleman. Thats hardly great business its called stealing or raping in some peoples mind.

[Charlie Darwin]

Assume they think it's the same as Blackburn Rovers, who nobody outside of Blackburn calls just Rovers. The Sun is the only UK paper I've seen consistently call us Rovers.

McLeish also bought Keith Fahey and put him straight into the Birmingham team, so I reckon he'd have a greater appreciation of the league than Moyes.

[irishfan86]

Ricketts is a winger, not a striker. Was OK for Toronto FC without being spectacular. He's got the raw talent but never really put it together, and you can see that based on the way he's jumped from club to club.

Hope they haven't broken the bank for him.

[osarusan]

Now most people generally refer to the second name of the team and "pluralise" it depending on the last letter. So I would have assumed everyone called them rovers be default or possibly stretching to shamrocks, but yet everyone is calling them Shamrock...doesn't make sense to me.
Maybe they think the team is from a place called Shamrock.

[DannyInvincible]

Maybe they think the team is from a place called Shamrock.

Weren't they named after a Shamrock Avenue in Dublin? Nevertheless, to me, it would sound as strange as referring to Crystal Palace as "Crystal".

[BonnieShels]

Maybe they think the team is from a place called Shamrock.

near Raith isn't it?

[elroy]

How much €€€'s are Rovers getting out of the Stevens deal?

Presumably he was out of contract at the end of the season and its probably a deal just based on appearances, international appearances etc?

[paul_oshea]

I thought it was £250k

[paul_oshea]

Assume they think it's the same as Blackburn Rovers, who nobody outside of Blackburn calls just Rovers. The Sun is the only UK paper I've seen consistently call us Rovers.

McLeish also bought Keith Fahey and put him straight into the Birmingham team, so I reckon he'd have a greater appreciation of the league than Moyes.

he also bought jay oshea from galway and look what happened there....

Anyway isn't it great we have 4 pages on a loi team in the Ireland section and still being talked about.

[tricky_colour]

Weren't they named after a Shamrock Avenue in Dublin? Nevertheless, to me, it would sound as strange as referring to Crystal Palace as "Crystal".

I was thinking the very same thing before I read your post.

Crystal Palace is odd in that it is named after a 'thing' building rather than a place.

Shamrock were named after Shamrock Avenue, although that itself named after a 'thing'.

Shamrock Rovers have supplied more players to the Republic of Ireland national football team (62) than any other club.

Usually the more unique name is preferred to avoid confusion. (Both Crystal and Palace are unique I think but I guess Crystal sounds more stupid especially
as it is a girls name).

Leyton Orient is another odd one, I think it used to just be called Orient at one time, and maybe still is. Leyton is also a man's name as in Leighton Rees.

Of course the biggest tragedy in the naming of football clubs is that Waterford United were not called Waterford Crystal.

However following receivership it would now be called KPS Capital Partners/Wedgwood, Royal Doulton Holdings Ltd United.

It would be interesting when the fans started chanting, Give us a K-K, Give us a P-P Give us an S-S etc....

[BonnieShels]

Weren't they named after a Shamrock Avenue in Dublin? Nevertheless, to me, it would sound as strange as referring to Crystal Palace as "Crystal".

As were we named after Shelbourne Road and there was a chance it coulda been Bath FC but for the flip of a coin.

[ifk101]

If this is the anything to do with Shamrock Rvs thread, ex. striker Don Cowan has joined Stevenage from Longford Town.

[AlaskaFox]

Leyton Orient is another odd one, I think it used to just be called Orient at one time, and maybe still is. Leyton is also a man's name as in Leighton Rees.


It's also a woman's name. Leighton Meester from Gossip Girl/The Town. And a surname, Jim Leighton. Strange one.

[ped_ped]

Rigth so - what would we be requiring from the likes of McCormack, McCabe, Dennehy (. . . etc.) tonight and over the coming weeks to properly justify this thread's place in the Ireland section? :p

[ArdeeBhoy]

Incidentally, why is this about Shams in the national team forum?

It's not as if their players are suddenly going to be projected into it??

[Kingdom]

competency. Actually scratch that, such is some of the plebs considered here at times, a birth cert will do.

[ArdeeBhoy]

Huh?
:confused:

[the bear]

Rigth so - what would we be requiring from the likes of McCormack, McCabe, Dennehy (. . . etc.) tonight and over the coming weeks to properly justify this thread's place in the Ireland section? :p

most likely a transfer to an english league 1 side:p

[geysir]

It was a bit of a shock that of all the LOI clubs, Shamrock Rovers, with their dismal record in the European cup, are the ones to break into the group stages of a euro competition and grab all of the Euro millions.
Regardless, I'll cheer them on and worry about the consequences later.

[paul_oshea]

Has anyone got a link for this? Unfortunately not going to be able watch it on T.V.

[Charlie Darwin]

It was a bit of a shock that of all the LOI clubs, Shamrock Rovers, with their dismal record in the European cup, are the ones to break into the group stages of a euro competition and grab all of the Euro millions.
Regardless, I'll cheer them on and worry about the consequences later.
Euro million, singular :)

[Fixer82]

Any of these lads capable of playing top level in England anyone reckon?

[John83]

Any of these lads capable of playing top level in England anyone reckon?
Aston Villa seem to reckon Enda Stephens might be.

[geysir]

Has anyone got a link for this? Unfortunately not going to be able watch it on T.V.
Try this site for links to the match
http://www.footballstreaming.info/streams/todays-links/

[tricky_colour]

Ah well it seems they lost 3-0 at home.

Better things to come.

[paul_oshea]

Conor mccormack as well maybe

[Acornvilla]

They deserved a goal at least but Rubin are a cut above

[the bear]

only caught the last 15 mins, during that spell they looked the match of rubin and created several half chances. although the commentaters were saying they had been outclassed over the whole game. defo didn't let the league down , fair play

stevens looks good from what ive seen of him, hopefully he'll be straight into the villa team in jan

[pineapple stu]

Kazan took the foot off the pedal in the last 20 when they were 3-0 up.

Killer might have impressed a few scouts. Maybe.

[elroy]

I thought Rovers did reasonably well last night. Certainly performed better than the home game against Copenhagen and created alot more chances. The real difference between the two teams was finishing. Kazan took each of their goals very well, especially the second and third. Rovers had their fair share of good chances, but they were so hurried in taking them, often snatching at the chance. Perhaps this is experience/difference in skill levels. But if they had been that little bit more assured in front of goal they probably would have scored one if not two. Kazan better team no doubt and Rovers not disgraced. They owe us nothing after getting this far. I just hope they can build on this and put in good performances (and maybe pick up a point or 2) in all games.

I know this is a new experience but the FAI havent exactly helped them either. Rovers had two tough games against Silgo on Friday and Pats on Mon night in advance of this game, hardly ideal preparation.

The new guy, Ricketts (ex Spurs) that they bought at the final day of the transfer window. Early days I know but have seen him in a few games now and hasnt really impressed.