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DannyInvincible
11/08/2011, 7:13 AM
Starting in Salford and Manchester city centre now - for reasons unknown, Miss Selfridge has become the target of choice tonight.

A girl I know found herself trapped inside Marks and Spencers in Piccadilly Gardens on Tuesday evening as a group masked and with bikes gathered outside before smashing up the front and ransacking the stock. Admittedly, she's not immune to hyperbole now and again, but she did say it was pretty terrifying and that she had to make a break for it out the door past them as they rushed in only for her to be met by a stationary line of police in riot gear with dogs outside.


just something i thought worth mentioning. Since im home at the moment ive been watching a lot of CNN and other north american news stations. Their coverage of the London riots has been so muted its incredible. Usually they are all over stories of rioting/revolt a la Syria, Libya Egypt, Greece... but for London it has been near silent.

Now, i know that the headline in the States at the moment is the credit rating downgrade but London is not even second or third story, it got a 3 minute segment this morning. Would it be beyond the realms of possibility that the States are frightened to give this too much coverage perhaps fearing that it might cause a similar rising up in areas of America? I could be way off, just a thought - im confined to home at the moment so my imagination may be getting the best of me!!!

You could well be right. God forbid, we'd have people thinking the Western model mightn't be working for everyone!


You're assuming that Americans give a sh!t about whats happening in the rest of the world...I can assure you that they don't. The average American probably isn't even aware there is rioting in London.

I thought you were going to say that the average American isn't even aware of where London is. Not that there would be anything wrong with such a statement either. :p

Straightstory
11/08/2011, 9:19 AM
This man obviously seems angry - interesting the way the beeb dealt with him - by calling him a rioter.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=biJgILxGK0o&feature=youtube_gdata_player
Very funny. This is the well known 'Darcus Howe', commentator on black issues for many years. The BBC called him 'WRITER' not a 'RIOTER'.

Straightstory
11/08/2011, 9:23 AM
...Although, possibly they intimated towards the end he might have enjoyed a riot in the past... 'Writer' AND 'Rioter'?

bennocelt
11/08/2011, 2:11 PM
"Stopping and searching blacks for no reason at all" - wtf, remind me again how many young black men have died this year from gang violence?
Lack or real leadership from the black community, where are all their community activists? - and people are talking about this, peoples attitudes here are hardening

hoops1
11/08/2011, 2:41 PM
This basically breaks down into two things for me Parental responsiblity and self respect.
The parents dont bring these kids to football,rugby,cricket,drama,dancing,art or any positive activities that would give the kids something to look forward to,structure in their lives, an outlet for lifes stresses. They dont give the kids a goal or a dream to aim at.
Why?
Because the parents themselves were never any good at anything or the parents dont percieve themselves to have ever been any good. So why should their children be.
The parents rather than guiding and directing their kids lives let friends, internet and social networking do it for them. The kids then have an view of the world given to them by people their own age and the internet. Parents only way of expressing love, or discipline is to buy the kids "stuff" clothes,jewlery and all the latest gadgets. They are not shown the values of respect, hard work or have any understandings of another humans feelings. What you end up with is the mess we see now.

shakermaker1982
11/08/2011, 2:50 PM
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/aug/10/uk-riots-liberal-right-parent

Interesting article.

BonnieShels
11/08/2011, 3:09 PM
Mate was in Peckham earlier. Said there's cops everywhere.

freewheel30
11/08/2011, 4:23 PM
The implication that Darcus Howe was a rioter was really just the icing on the cake - the questioner had been twisting his words and talking across him from the beginning. It's hard to really be sure if the newsreader's ignorance was the result of her own individual daftness or if the position she was pursuing is one that any of her colleagues would have pursued if they had found themselves in the same situation.

bennocelt
11/08/2011, 5:28 PM
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/aug/10/uk-riots-liberal-right-parent

Interesting article.

Agree with some of this but again the implication is that there is no opportunities for black people in London. Tell that to the Chinese, Indian, Pakistan and even the Irish communities here, amongst others?

Macy
12/08/2011, 8:11 AM
Agree with some of this but again the implication is that there is no opportunities for black people in London. Tell that to the Chinese, Indian, Pakistan and even the Irish communities here, amongst others?
Is it not that there's no opportunities for people from those estates? I thought it was quite balanced, to be honest.

Mr A
12/08/2011, 8:10 PM
People grabbing all they can simply because they know they can get away with it is something that disgusts most of us, makes us worry about the state of society and the mentality of the people involved.

But enough about the St Pats squad, this looting is awful as well.

Neish
12/08/2011, 11:02 PM
Good article by Chumbawamba front man Boff Whalley from Fridays Independant
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/boff-whalley-in-defence-of-anarchy-2336159.html

Wolfman
17/08/2011, 10:32 AM
Some of the subsequent sentences are completely disproportionate!!