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gael353
19/06/2011, 2:02 PM
As a limerick fan i was annoyed with many things about our no show the other night but one thing that really peeved me was the ref Paul McLoughlin. Not at his performance but the fact he was from Monaghan. Nothing against monaghan ppl either but when i think of it monaghan to limerick and back is 500 Kms. Thats 500 by 78c per km as per their entitelment is €390 plus match fee and meals makes him taking home a handy pay pack for a few hours of standing around and not taking corntrol of a game. just thought id mention thats all Paul as you drove home with nearly a grand in ur phoca the other night :o
It's mad to think that in the first division the referees are making considerably more than most of the players. The cost of them is insane. And that's before we even start talking about the standard.
Dillonman
19/06/2011, 3:22 PM
Can I have a dig at the refs here too....Tom Connolly is terrible, seriously has a huge problem with Dundalk!
No he doesn't. None of the refs are biased.
You can question the standard but only the losers ever moan
Ezeikial
19/06/2011, 7:08 PM
No he doesn't. None of the refs are biased.
I would agree that it's more likely to be incompetance rather then bias. But the yellow card stats in relation for Connolly raises the possibility of bias against certain players.
You can question the standard but only the losers ever moan
This infers that supporters never comment / moan about referee standards when their team wins. Clearly not so.
Dillonman
19/06/2011, 7:18 PM
No he doesn't. None of the refs are biased.
You can question the standard but only the losers ever moan
Whatever Dodge....
born2bwild
19/06/2011, 7:32 PM
You have to pay refs well; even overpay them. Underpaid officials take backhanders.
bluewhitearmy
19/06/2011, 7:36 PM
You have to pay refs well; even overpay them. Underpaid officials take backhanders.
Could still do that while being overpaid.
born2bwild
19/06/2011, 7:46 PM
Could still do that while being overpaid.
Yeah, I know but the likelihood is much less if you pay them well.
By the way, @gael 353, why do you think that ref was poor the other night? I thought the penalty call was spot on, as was the sending off.
This infers that supporters never comment / moan about referee standards when their team wins. Clearly not so.
It's certainly more prevalent among losing supporters though.
Jofspring
19/06/2011, 8:35 PM
Thought the penalty was dodgy as I genuinely thought McCarthy poked away the ball in the tackle then took down Hughes. I thought the ref should have dealt with Mathews earlier than he did and what happened with Frost would have been avoided. Other than that he did alright.
I don't think any ref goes out intentionally to screw any team. Sometimes you get the decisions and sometimes you don't. Even a poor standard ref isn't intentionally screwing a team no matter how much we want to think so. Even the top teams think the top refs are screwing them in games when they are losing.
born2bwild
19/06/2011, 8:44 PM
No, it was a penalty. Check it out here again: http://vimeo.com/25302852
As for Frosty, maybe less clear cut. His haircut does him no favours!
Jofspring
19/06/2011, 8:51 PM
Still think its dodgy. Don't forget McCarthy is really lanky. He does lunge in and is asking for a penalty to be given against him but the ball goes from in front of Hughes to off out to the side when McCarthy gets his toe on it. Regardless if Hughes wasn't taken down I would have fully expected him to stick it from where he was so whether it be a penalty or not Shels would most likely have gone two up.
gael353
19/06/2011, 8:55 PM
No, it was a penalty. Check it out here again: http://vimeo.com/25302852
As for Frosty, maybe less clear cut. His haircut does him no favours!
even that doesnt show it was a peno, i was with the sober shels supporters behind the goal and mccarthy got the ball, Philly did his usual dive (rem he did 11 last year) and O'Loughlin fell for it. My point though is the cost of that ref comming from Monaghan to ref a game in limerick. I rem complaining when i saw stewart templeman from Tralee getting a monaghan game too last year
born2bwild
19/06/2011, 9:05 PM
I was sober and in front of the train platform. Come on, that was clearly a peno. He lost Philly Hughes and leapt like a triple jumper behind and from the side and Hughes went down like a pie-devouring number nine..(wait a minute...). Never a dive. Don't remember Div 1 last year.
1000 quid a week puts the ref on the same wage as a Guard or a teacher with 10 years' experience.
gael353
19/06/2011, 9:07 PM
1000 quid a week puts the ref on the same wage as a Guard or a teacher with 10 years' experience.
ill reply to this bit yes ur right it would put him on the same wage but isnt this guy in his first year???
Charlie Darwin
19/06/2011, 9:08 PM
Thought this was going to be a story about a young man's gradual transformation into a Sligo Rovers fan.
Cuyahoga
19/06/2011, 9:21 PM
Thought this was going to be a story about a young man's gradual transformation into a Sligo Rovers fan.
No, They're bitter from birth up there in Sligo.
El-Pietro
19/06/2011, 11:11 PM
sure haven't Limerick loads of money these days. not surprised the FAI are giving them refs from far north.
Lim till i die
20/06/2011, 12:06 AM
sure haven't Limerick loads of money these days. not surprised the FAI are giving them refs from far north.
Knockalisheen of a Tuesday:
http://26.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lm2q16Us271qgtbp2o1_500.gif
Seriously we have so much money it's disgusting, we were going to offer Denis twice what he shook hands on if he stuck it out, cost himself two grand a week just by being a too eager beaver. There's loads of talk around town that we're going to sign Graham Cummins, buy two hammers (from a dear hardware shop, not a chain natch) and break both his legs, just because we can. Also we're buying Tommy Dunnes house, knocking it, burning the rubble and then buying the contents of Coolmore Stud and lining them all up to pi$$ on the ashes.
Lim till i die
20/06/2011, 12:09 AM
On the refs, I believe the point is they are far, far too expensive and bringing a ref all the way down from the wee north (especially one as powder puff as McLoughlin) is ridiculous carry on from an association that can't give it's leagues representative players a few bob.
KevB76
20/06/2011, 12:50 PM
monaghan to limerick and back is 500 Kms. Thats 500 by 78c per km as per their entitelment is €390 plus match fee
Your figures are wrong, it was 78cent per mile two seasons ago, its now 50cent per mile, not km.
Also some refs have had to wait MONTHS to get paid.
CSFShels
20/06/2011, 6:36 PM
It does look a penalty from the video there. The video isn't conclusive but I don't see how anyone would argue that it looks like anything else.
gael353
21/06/2011, 11:16 PM
It does look a penalty from the video there. The video isn't conclusive but I don't see how anyone would argue that it looks like anything else.
a nailed on dive by philly. there i took the option of not siding with your condesending comment
CSFShels
21/06/2011, 11:59 PM
a nailed on dive by philly. there i took the option of not siding with your condesending comment
Doesn't make you less wrong.
McLaughlin was referee of the Waterford United v Monaghan play off game in Waterford last season. Waterford United objected as he lives and works in Monaghan but the FAI let him ref and it left a sour taste with some of the decisions that went Monaghan's way that night. You'd think they'd appoint referees who don't have to travel so far and whose neutrality couldn't be questioned.
A face
22/06/2011, 10:14 PM
McLaughlin was referee of the Waterford United v Monaghan play off game in Waterford last season. Waterford United objected as he lives and works in Monaghan but the FAI let him ref and it left a sour taste with some of the decisions that went Monaghan's way that night. You'd think they'd appoint referees who don't have to travel so far and whose neutrality couldn't be questioned.
How may refs are there in the south east? Just wondering is all.
Copa Mundial
22/06/2011, 10:51 PM
:ball:
As a limerick fan i was annoyed with many things about our no show the other night but one thing that really peeved me was the ref Paul McLoughlin. Not at his performance but the fact he was from Monaghan. Nothing against monaghan ppl either but when i think of it monaghan to limerick and back is 500 Kms. Thats 500 by 78c per km as per their entitelment is €390 plus match fee and meals makes him taking home a handy pay pack for a few hours of standing around and not taking corntrol of a game. just thought id mention thats all Paul as you drove home with nearly a grand in ur phoca the other night :o
If you are going to start a thread the least you can do is have the information factually correct. 78c per kilometer is totally incorrect. IF you meant 78c per mile that is also incorrect.
your inference that the referee went home PAID is also incorrect. No money was paid to the referee on the night...so in actual fact he went home with nothing. In fact it cost him petrol money to go to Limerick. Yes, he can submit expenses for match fee etc...but then it has to be paid...whenever...:ball:
If you are going to start a thread the least you can do is have the information factually correct. 78c per kilometer is totally incorrect. IF you meant 78c per mile that is also incorrect.So how much is it then?
Surely a man like youself could set us straight on the actual fee per mile/KM?
CuanaD
23/06/2011, 9:27 AM
So how much is it then?
Surely a man like youself could set us straight on the actual fee per mile/KM?
It's already there in post #22
Looks like he'd get about €150-160 for the travel expences - which seems quite fair to me. Think about the cost of fuel & associated car costs, or (deity forbid) the cost of public transport to&from. It's going to cost €100 whatever way you look at it & that's just expence, not time costs.
How may refs are there in the south east? Just wondering is all.
Sean Grant from Wexford and Jim McKell from Tipperary are the two I can think of. I don't think there are any refs from Waterford in the league at the moment.
bluemovie
26/06/2011, 7:57 PM
How may refs are there in the south east? Just wondering is all.
Sean Grant from Wexford and Jim McKell from Tipperary are the two I can think of. I don't think there are any refs from Waterford in the league at the moment.
A Cork ref would've made more sense. As far as I recall, Alan Kelly would've been available on the night (a Tuesday) as there were only play-off games on. I know he doesn't do First Division, but a play-off is a hugely important match. Even Dublin refs would've been a lot closer. It was just really bizarre that they would plump for a Monaghan-based ref for a Monaghan match in Waterford, but this is the League of Ireland we're talking about! Maybe he was cutting down on petrol costs by travelling home on the Monaghan team bus.
McLoughlin was ref on Friday nigh in Oriel, thought he had an alright game.
http://www.independent.ie/sport/other-sports/cash-keeps-rolling-for-irelands-referees-2806216.html .See someone is reading our informed comment . Referres Fees are way to high they are one of the single expenses for clubs.
Charlie Darwin
26/06/2011, 9:39 PM
Yep, lifted directly from the thread.
As an counterpoint, though, the club know the fees due at the start of the season and it can't be used as an excuse for underestimating their own day-to-day expenses.
bullit
26/06/2011, 10:18 PM
McLoughlin was ref on Friday nigh in Oriel, thought he had an alright game.
Ran the game well i hear.Obviously he has been promoted to the prem leauge as i cant remember him having reffed a top level match before ??
Yep, lifted directly from the thread.Lets hope they will be as quick to correct the Indo as they were to correct the inaccuracies in this thread.
gael353
27/06/2011, 9:35 PM
:ball:
If you are going to start a thread the least you can do is have the information factually correct. 78c per kilometer is totally incorrect. IF you meant 78c per mile that is also incorrect.
your inference that the referee went home PAID is also incorrect. No money was paid to the referee on the night...so in actual fact he went home with nothing. In fact it cost him petrol money to go to Limerick. Yes, he can submit expenses for match fee etc...but then it has to be paid...whenever...:ball:
just posted to start a debate and draw attention to the fees whatever they may be :cool: I just did a Tommy Dunne thing and suggested figures
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