Keanes Partner for wc Qualifiers

[tiktok]

....he has to prove he can do it in the premiership or in the friendly chances he gets for Ireland to get into the side for a qualifyer.

...but Miller doesn't?

[Slash/ED]

...but Miller doesn't?

Millers done it in the champions league and has gotten man of the match in his last game for Ireland, so no, he doesn'tt, at least not to the extent Kavanagh does and he'd easily be ahead of him in the pecking order.

[eirebhoy]

Slash/Ed, stop being so biased. He had 1 good game in the CL and a couple of goals. Do you want me to go searching for the thread where a load of people are saying Kav deserved MOM against Brazil? Miller has had one or two good games for Ireland and the others he has been pretty anonymous.

[Slash/ED]

Why would I be biased? I support neither Celtic, Man U or Cardiff, the only thing I'm biased towards is wanting the best team ont he pitch and there's no way Kavanagh is a better player than Miller.

He had more than one good game in the champions league, he scored three times for a start, twice in the group stages, was amazing against Anderlect and changed most of the games when he came on. He was also getting rave reviews at U21 level and was fantastic when I saw him and was MOTM against one of the teams now taking Euro 2004 by storm.

And there's no way Kavanagh was MOTM against Brazil.

[eirebhoy]

You say he got man of the match in his last match, his last match was against Nigeria and he was crap. Don't you mean Romania? If so, I don't think they're taking Euro 2004 by storm. :confused:

Miller's goal in the CL qualifiers was against opposition of the same calibre as Dundee.

[Slash/ED]

Sorry, I got the Romania and Czech match mixed up and forgot he played aganist Nigeria :D

Either way, he was man of the match in a recent Irish match against Euro 2004 calibre opposition.

"Miller's goal in the CL qualifiers was against opposition of the same calibre as Dundee."

And I suppose Kavanagh plays a higher calibre of opposition every week?

[eirebhoy]

And I suppose Kavanagh plays a higher calibre of opposition every week?
He probably does and scores against them too.

[Plastic Paddy]

Miller's goal in the CL qualifiers was against opposition of the same calibre as Dundee.

I'm no fan of Miller, but I'd say that Anderlecht are a slightly better outfit than the 'Dee. Wouldn't you?

:) PP

[eirebhoy]

I'm no fan of Miller, but I'd say that Anderlecht are a slightly better outfit than the 'Dee. Wouldn't you?

:) PP
Slash/Ed said he scored 3 goals in the CL, he included the goal in the qualifier against a club I can't even remember the name. :)

[Plastic Paddy]

Slash/Ed said he scored 3 goals in the CL, he included the goal in the qualifier against a club I can't even remember the name. :)

Aaah, that'd be MTK Hungaria. About as good as the 'Dee then. :o

;) PP

[carnstien]

Sorry, I got the Romania and Czech match mixed up and forgot he played aganist Nigeria :D

Either way, he was man of the match in a recent Irish match against Euro 2004 calibre opposition.

"Miller's goal in the CL qualifiers was against opposition of the same calibre as Dundee."

And I suppose Kavanagh plays a higher calibre of opposition every week?
The only man talking any sense on here.

I dunno what kind of eejits we have who think Kavanagh should play ahead of Milller, more than likely, sour, bitter and twisted Celtic fans though.

Trust me, all you Kavanagh fans will realise in 6 months time how ridiculous you arguement is, just as most of you have probably finally realised that Duff should play on the left ahead of Kilbane.

[carnstien]

......Experience is his is biggest weakness........
I wonder how that problem could be corrected.

I'd still go for Reid in the middle with Keane and Miller on the right, or the other way around. These guys need to play alongside Roy before he retires, it will stand them in good stead in the future, as well as now, because if Reid and Miller play, we qualify, gaurenteed.

[eirebhoy]

Trust me, all you Kavanagh fans will realise in 6 months time how ridiculous you arguement is, just as most of you have probably finally realised that Duff should play on the left ahead of Kilbane.
I think I'm the only person defending Kavanagh. Believe me, I wish Miller all the best and I hope he turns out to be twice the player of Kavanagh.

[Closed Account 2]

i would go

Duff---Holland---Roy. Keane---A.Reid

Holland is experienced, not too old, keeps the ball well and has a great shot.

Ive not really seen enough of Miller or Kavanagh to judge them well, but I will say this they would have to be special players to start ahead of that selection (IMO). They could always be chucked on as subs to change a game. Ive seen Healy play a few times and to be honest I dont think he's one of our better players, hes ok maybe in an emergency but I would be telling I lie if I said I'd like to see him start important matches for us.

I dunno who should play up front for us tho. Robbie Keane is an obvious choice and IMO our best player over the past 5 years. I duno who I would pick with him. Lee gives us options in the air, but sadly I dont think he's technically that gifted, hes a bit like Quinn was. He could frighten opposition defences, but he might cause us to play hoof and hope - he's a great option to have on the bench. I like Morrison as a footballer, hes quick and if he has time can finish, his form's dipped a bit, but I'd be tempted to start with him. Connolly, well I dont know, I dont really like him as a player, sometimes he does well but I dont think he's a true great - I just dont have confidence in him when hes on the ball, again he's ok for the bench but its worrying when he starts. Those are the main candidates, are there any other decent ones i've missed out or perhaps a few young ones who might come through. The Arsenal lad, Bently, hes not Irish is he ?? I know they used to have a decent young Irish player, but I might be confusing him with Stack (the keeper) or the lad who went to Brighton (Barratt was it ?).

[Closed Account 2]

I agree though he could be useful. Sure didnt he score one of the goals of the season last year. Cant remember against who?


Was it Spurs

[carnstien]

Yer thinking of Graham Barrett......last @ Coventry....ideally too mediocre to be in the Irish squad...
Ya but in fairness Lee Carsley made the Irish squad for 8 years.

[only1kilbane]

Graham Barrett has done really well in the last couple of games for us and if he gets a good run with coventry then he should be in the squad. We have so many stupid comments on here calling kilbane kinsella and holland donkeys yet these clever people who make these comments dont have people who can replace them !

[carnstien]

Graham Barrett has done really well in the last couple of games for us and if he gets a good run with coventry then he should be in the squad. We have so many stupid comments on here calling kilbane kinsella and holland donkeys yet these clever people who make these comments dont have people who can replace them !
In fairness now boss, I think that anyone who suggested that Kilbane, Kinsella and Holland were donkeys, touted the likes of Reid and Miller as replacements.

[1MickCollins]

I can't believe Miller is topping the pole. What we need in the middle of the park primarily is 2 ball winners who can retain possession and pass the ball. Let Duff and Reid on the wings crack the defense. We have not seen enough of Miller at full international level though he excelled at U21 level and has looked good largely in cameos for Celtic. As of now I think Mattie Holland is the obvious partner for Keane. I need to see Miller do it for the full 90 at senior level on a consistent basis. Also bear in mind he will probably be playing in the ManU reserves next season while Holland will be captaining Charlton. Kilbane may be the next best option to Holland.

[Slash/ED]

What makes you so sure he'll be playing reserve team football next season? the Man U staff have been talking him up recently saying he could be the signing of the season, they hardly mean for the northern reserve league do they?

And Holland isn't much of a ball winner really.

[carnstien]

And Holland isn't much of a ball winner really.
No, he's not and he is generally a quite poor passer too.

[1MickCollins]

I hope by Christmas I can vote for Miller but right now with what I have seen I have to wait. He has the potential to be a very very good player, and I hope he makes it into the ManU first team soon but there is a lot of competition. I think for the competitive games coming up it would be wreckless to throw in Miller and I'm 100% sure Kerr will play Holland alongside Keane if both are fit.

[brine2]

Arjen Robben had little or no international experience before Euro 2004, and had only played a couple of Champions League matches with PSV. Other than that, he has only played in the Dutch league, which is comparible to the Scottish league.

Yet he is easily Holland's player of the tournament so far.

[dynamo kerry]

The only man talking any sense on here.

I dunno what kind of eejits we have who think Kavanagh should play ahead of Milller, more than likely, sour, bitter and twisted Celtic fans though.

Trust me, all you Kavanagh fans will realise in 6 months time how ridiculous you arguement is, just as most of you have probably finally realised that Duff should play on the left ahead of Kilbane.
only 5 people voted for kavanagh so thats a nonsense argument

it's either miller or holland but then kerr hasnt realy gone to to much trouble to play miller has he and I doubt he'll play him in the centre for big games

far more likely to put holland in as he hasnt really dirtied his copybook and has given no reason to be dropped (apart from being average)

miller will play on the right if he plays

kerr doesnt give a **** what the fans or press want - otherwise kilbane wouldnt be playing

[only1kilbane]

not everyone is against kilbane and rightly so. He has proven himself in the last few games ( no not to be a donkey ) to be able to do a decent job in centre mid. I think its either him or matty really dont see any other contenders. Miller could do with putting on an extra stone and a run with manu as well. An odd game here and there for celtic shouldnt guarantee him a place against france !

[Bowsy]

kerr doesnt give a **** what the fans or press want - otherwise kilbane wouldnt be playing

Think that's a bit over the top. Opinion on Kilbane is very divided but many Irish supporters including myself thinks he deserves a place in the team.
Do agree that Kerr will do his own thing no matter what popular opinion is though and that's a good thing.

[carnstien]

only 5 people voted for kavanagh so thats a nonsense argument

it's either miller or holland but then kerr hasnt realy gone to to much trouble to play miller has he and I doubt he'll play him in the centre for big games

far more likely to put holland in as he hasnt really dirtied his copybook and has given no reason to be dropped (apart from being average)

miller will play on the right if he plays

kerr doesnt give a **** what the fans or press want - otherwise kilbane wouldnt be playing
I doubt most Irish fans want Kilbane in the team.

I can honestly say that I do not know one person who thinks that Kilbane is a good player. The only people I have ever encountered who seem to have such an opinion are on this forum.

[dynamo kerry]

well the kilbane things was just an example as he's the only player who starts regularly that would have a fair share of fans and press keen to be rid of him.

on a positive spin kerr has only had low-key friendlies to play lately so was under little pressure to play to the crowd

I reckon come sept he'll keep his own counsel and if miller is up to it he'll play but and it's a big but - no one really know exactly what miller is capable of based on a few sh!te friendlies and a couple of games for celtic

yes he was too good for the SPL but so are a lot of people. Robben was playing in holand - massive difference

miller may play but it won't be centre mid unless holland is unavailable

[eirebhoy]

I doubt most Irish fans want Kilbane in the team.

I can honestly say that I do not know one person who thinks that Kilbane is a good player. The only people I have ever encountered who seem to have such an opinion are on this forum.
There was a poll on this forum after Kilbane's last game against the Czech's and 5/6 of people said Kilbane should start for the qualifiers (a total of 60 people voted). Fair enough, Keane has come back but when you consider the other contenders for the midfield spots, thats a very high amount.

As for your last comment, this is one of two forum's (that I know of anyway) that were opened to talk about Irish football (domestic and international). Therefore, don't you think the people on those forums would know best?

BTW - I don't actually think Kilbane should start but to say he's not a good player is ridiculous. You seem to get the best 11 in your head and whenever another players is mentioned you have to slate him. Holland is a poor passer and tackler. Delap and Kavanagh are grafters who can't pass, hold possession or make runs into the opposition's box. Stephen Reid is a waste of space. Kibane is a muppet and doesn't have the ability to (do something he does week in, week out for Everton) go around a man. Breen is an embarrassment. These are just a few comments I saw by looking through a few of your posts. I didn't see your ideal starting 11 but I'm pretty sure I could name it from reading your posts.

[1MickCollins]

I doubt most Irish fans want Kilbane in the team.

I can honestly say that I do not know one person who thinks that Kilbane is a good player. The only people I have ever encountered who seem to have such an opinion are on this forum.

Agree about Kilbane not being a good player, at least in terms of technique and finesse. He is the winger as workhorse, a latter day Tony Galvin, he has a good engine with two left feet or maybe 2 right feet in this case. Not very bright.

But I don't question his work ethic and his willingness, but Duff has that in spades as well and Jesu Christi we must play Duff on the left wing. It is tough enough gettings real wingers like Duff to be consistent but to play them out of position is a waste of time.

So if Kilbane is to play I would rather he play in the middle with Keane where he can just roll his sleeves up and get stuck in.

[sadloserkid]

yes he was too good for the SPL but so are a lot of people. Robben was playing in holand - massive difference

But he couldn't even get his place in the Celtic team??? :confused:

Colin Healy MkII I think, does something once every 25 minutes and people come away raving about him.

[only1kilbane]

But he couldn't even get his place in the Celtic team??? :confused:

Colin Healy MkII I think, does something once every 25 minutes and people come away raving about him.

The most sensible comment on her for a while. Miller too good for the spl yeah all those games he played showed his class . He had a good game against anderlecht and suddenly he is the dogs ******. We big peolpe up to quickly

[carnstien]

As for your last comment, this is one of two forum's (that I know of anyway) that were opened to talk about Irish football (domestic and international). Therefore, don't you think the people on those forums would know best?

No I don't because the other half of this form is concerned with the Eircom league, I would have far more faith in the opinions of people who watch the likes of Kilbane and Breen week in week out in the Premiership (myself for example).



BTW - I don't actually think Kilbane should start but to say he's not a good player is ridiculous. You seem to get the best 11 in your head and whenever another players is mentioned you have to slate him
Kilbane is not a good player, he is very, very average and has no flair or skill whatsoever. He was even booed by his own fans at Sunderland because he was ****, he is not anywhere near the class of Duff or Andy Ried, so my conclusion from that is that he shouldn't be anywhere near our team.

[tiktok]

No I don't because the other half of this form is concerned with the Eircom league, I would have far more faith in the opinions of people who watch the likes of Kilbane and Breen week in week out in the Premiership (myself for example).

Kilbane is not a good player, he is very, very average and has no flair or skill whatsoever. He was even booed by his own fans at Sunderland because he was ****, he is not anywhere near the class of Duff or Andy Ried, so my conclusion from that is that he shouldn't be anywhere near our team.

Jesus, you're a sad sad little man.

First off, you're not watching Breen in the premiership.
Second, I seriously doubt you're getting to Everton and Sunderland games every week, so I guess you're basing your 'superior' knowledge on the highlights packages that you watch on ITV or RTE.Which is exactly the same access as any EL fan has to the premiership.

Kilbane was booed because Sunderland Fans needed a scapegoat for poor results, but didn't want to turn on Peter Reid, the editor of their fanzone has been on this site and confirmed this (before you start) saying that Kilbane always gave 100% for them and many were sorry to see him go.

No one is saying he's as good as Duff, but the argument here is if he's the best man to play in the centre, not on the left wing. But don't let what's actually being discussed get in the way of your condescending and rude generalisations. :rolleyes:

Of all the people that post on here, you are without doubt the most rudely dismissive of other's opinions.

[carnstien]

Kilbane was booed because Sunderland Fans needed a scapegoat for poor results, but didn't want to turn on Peter Reid, the editor of their fanzone has been on this site and confirmed this (before you start) saying that Kilbane always gave 100% for them and many were sorry to see him go.

Why the hell do you think they chose Kilbane as a scapegoat, huh? Because he was their worst player! You don't see Zidane becoming a scape goat for Real Madrid or France fans when the perform badly do you? They blame the likes of Desailly and Raul Bravo. Sunderland fans watched Kilbane bulling up and down that left wing every week producing absolutly **** all and they were sick of it!



No one is saying he's as good as Duff, but the argument here is if he's the best man to play in the centre, not on the left wing. But don't let what's actually being discussed get in the way of your condescending and rude generalisations. :rolleyes:

Of all the people that post on here, you are without doubt the most rudely dismissive of other's opinions.
I mentioned Duff once, if you'd bothered your arse to read the rest of what I wrote you'd have seen that I said Miller or Andy Ried should get the nod in the middle, with the other one playing on the right.

And in future if you can't argue without resorting to snide, petty remarks like what you threw into that post, you can **** off.

[Plastic Paddy]

Of all the people that post on here, you are without doubt the most rudely dismissive of other's opinions.


And in future if you can't argue without resorting to snide, petty remarks like what you threw into that post, you can **** off.

I agree with tiktok. You're the one with the issue when it comes to arguing, and you always have been. You really need to take a look at yourself and your attitudes to others, you know. I only hope for your sake that in the real world you don't come across as you appear here.

:ball: PP

[Bowsy]

[QUOTE=carnstien]Sunderland fans watched Kilbane bulling up and down that left wing every week producing absolutly **** all and they were sick of it!
QUOTE]

Perhaps you should ask a Sunderland fan. I was of the impression he was something of a fans favourite by the time he left.

If Miller is not warming United's bench next season then he'll be a real contender for right side of midfield.

[carnstien]

I agree with tiktok. You're the one with the issue when it comes to arguing, and you always have been. You really need to take a look at yourself and your attitudes to others, you know. I only hope for your sake that in the real world you don't come across as you appear here.

:ball: PP
The only reason that you say that is because I don't agree with most people on here about most things and I argue my point when I think that I'm right.

I don't go along with, "Kilbane is a hard worker, lets have him in the team", "Breen has never let us down, he should mark Henry", "I hate Roy Keane, Mick McCarthy was a class manager".

I have my opinions and I'll stick to them, non-conformist or not, I don't care. I never resort to snide remarks about individuals and I don't put people down the way tiktok did to me.

[tiktok]

And in future if you can't argue without resorting to snide, petty remarks like what you threw into that post, you can **** off.

Fair enough, saying you were a 'sad sad little man' was snide, written as it was while I was angry and I apologise for that. The rest of what I said wasn't snide and I stand by it.

The argument I made (which you ignored for the record) was that an since your exposure to the Premiership is limited to exactly tha same as that available to an EL fan (a statement you didn't contradict so I hold it to be true until you do) you're in no position to summarily disregard their opinions and claim your own to be better informed.

Also, for the record, Bowsy is spot on that Kilbane was a fan's favourite by the time he left Sunderland.

[Plastic Paddy]

The only reason that you say that is because I don't agree with most people on here about most things and I argue my point when I think that I'm right.

I don't go along with, "Kilbane is a hard worker, lets have him in the team", "Breen has never let us down, he should mark Henry", "I hate Roy Keane, Mick McCarthy was a class manager".

I have my opinions and I'll stick to them, non-conformist or not, I don't care. I never resort to snide remarks about individuals and I don't put people down the way tiktok did to me.

I have no problem whatsoever with your choosing to argue the point with people. None at all. What I do find distasteful is the way you deride their opinions in the process, as you do with some frequency. See below if you dispute my statement.


I dunno what kind of eejits we have who think Kavanagh should play ahead of Milller, more than likely, sour, bitter and twisted Celtic fans though.


This is the biggest pile of ****e I have ever seen in my life.

What the hell are you trying to do, prove the Swiss manager right?

Miller and Ried should be the only players anyone is considering. Anyone who thinks any other player should get the nod hasn't got a clue.

And the above comments from you are from the last week alone. Like I said, I don't have a problem with you choosing to argue the toss. It's just the manner in which you go about it that leaves a sour taste.

:ball: PP

[carnstien]

I have no problem whatsoever with your choosing to argue the point with people. None at all. What I do find distasteful is the way you deride their opinions in the process, as you do with some frequency. See below if you dispute my statement.

And the above comments from you are from the last week alone. Like I said, I don't have a problem with you choosing to argue the toss. It's just the manner in which you go about it that leaves a sour taste.

:ball: PP
Fair enough point taken.

And regarding Tiktok's point about the Eircom league fans knowlege of the Premiership...

I do not agree that someone who is primeraly an Eircom league fan could possibly have great knowlege of the Premiership. I couldn't really give a ****e about the Eircom league and all I really watch is Premiership matches, either on TV or the occasional trip to Anfield. I don't bother to voice my opinions about the likes of Glen Crowe because I know **** all about him, but when it comes to Premiership football and Premiership players I would consider myself extremely knowlegable and if I have a concrete view on a team or a player (like Gary Breen, anyone who ever watched him for West Ham will know that he is a disaster) I want it to be heard.

[NeilMcD]

I am going to nail my colours to the mast before I express my opinion as you can see where I am coming from. For a few years I was very frustrated with Kevin Kilbane when he was playing on the left of midfield. Especially as it meant that Duff played up front and he was not playing where he should be. However I thought against Brazil and Czech Republic he was excellent, both times. Roy Keane stated that Kilbane was the man of the match and gave an outstanding performance. In addition , when I went to the Romania game I thought that Miller gave a very good controlled performance on the right ( a problem area for Ireland.) I though his passing was crisp, incisive, and he linked well with the forward players. So I think that Miller should not be playing in central midfield for the moment as he can play the right sided role. That leaves us down to Kilbane, Holland or Andy Reid for the last spot. I think in the big games he should go for either Holland or Kilbane and have Reid to come off the bench if we need a goal. The fact is we are always likely to have one or two injurys so we need to have 6 or 7 midfielders competing for the final places. Reid will do a job for us against weaker opposition and is great cover for Duff, and is very flexible. This time next year I would like to see a midfield of Duff, Keane, Reid, Miller, but for now i think that Holand or Kilbane will do and I actualyl think Kilbane is a better athlete than Holland is less likely to go missing in games but is also less likely to bang a goal in. I dont understand why people have to make vicious comments about others, we are all here supporting a team we love.

[Bowsy]

I am going to nail my colours to the mast before I express my opinion as you can see where I am coming from. For a few years I was very frustrated with Kevin Kilbane when he was playing on the left of midfield. Especially as it meant that Duff played up front and he was not playing where he should be. However I thought against Brazil and Czech Republic he was excellent, both times. Roy Keane stated that Kilbane was the man of the match and gave an outstanding performance. In addition , when I went to the Romania game I thought that Miller gave a very good controlled performance on the right ( a problem area for Ireland.) I though his passing was crisp, incisive, and he linked well with the forward players. So I think that Miller should not be playing in central midfield for the moment as he can play the right sided role. That leaves us down to Kilbane, Holland or Andy Reid for the last spot. I think in the big games he should go for either Holland or Kilbane and have Reid to come off the bench if we need a goal. The fact is we are always likely to have one or two injurys so we need to have 6 or 7 midfielders competing for the final places. Reid will do a job for us against weaker opposition and is great cover for Duff, and is very flexible. This time next year I would like to see a midfield of Duff, Keane, Reid, Miller, but for now i think that Holand or Kilbane will do and I actualyl think Kilbane is a better athlete than Holland is less likely to go missing in games but is also less likely to bang a goal in. I dont understand why people have to make vicious comments about others, we are all here supporting a team we love.

Well said. Agree with every word of that.

[tiktok]

I'd agree to the letter with that Neil, well put.
As to the 'viscous comments', yeah you're right there too, which is why I apologised.


I do not agree that someone who is primeraly an Eircom league fan could possibly have great knowlege of the Premiership. ...if I have a concrete view on a team or a player .....I want it to be heard.

I really don't want to wander off topin Carnstein, but as with PP, my problem isn't your argument, rather the way you present it, although at least on this thread, that's pot calling kettle black on my part.

I think it is silly to presume that because you support a Premiership team and don't like the EL, that the converse holds true (although it certainly applies to some individuals).
I'd consider myself well versed in the Premiership despite the fact that I'm first and foremost a CCFC fan, and I don't understand how someone as knowledgeable as you claim to be could suggest that Kilbane, based on recent friendlies and his Everton form sionce his move there "shouldn't be anywhere near our team".

Anyway, As NeilMcD said, Miller is probably the man for the job in the longer term, assuming the Man Utd move goes well for him, but in the shorter term it's be him on the right with Kilbane next to keane for me.

[cullenswood]

Have to agree with NeilMcD, Kilbane was never my favourite player in the past, if fact I would have descibed him as "muck"!! But, yes, in the past number of friendlies he has been excellent, and has had a decent season last season. Everyone knows he can't skin a player like Duffer so we shouldn't be expecting it, (even though his over reliance on the "kick the ball forward and run by the defender while trying to catch it" technique can be a bit of a pain), he is a good central midfield workhorse, which allows Duffer to play on the Left.

[eirebhoy]

I have my opinions and I'll stick to them, non-conformist or not, I don't care. I never resort to snide remarks about individuals...
So football players aren't individual's? I just don't understand how you can say bad things about people trying their best to represent their country. In your opinion, there is only 12 players that should be in the starting 11 (your ideal 11 + Finnan/Carr). Kerr has capped 43 players, if a player in that 43 was mentioned for a starting place and you didn't think should be in there, you always have to slate them. Is it not possible for Ireland to have a decent bench?

Try to cut down on slating players unless what you are saying is true. We all slate players but most of us actually tell the truth. I would say Harte isn't a great defender so I'd prefer O'Shea in the team. I would even go as far as to say Morrison is atrocious at heading the ball. If someone said to me I think Richard Dunne should be in for O'Brien, I wouldn't start saying things like he's a fat b*stard. Stephen Reid is not a waste of space mate, we need all the players we can get. Kilbane is probably one of the nicest poeple in the world but you still call him a muppet because he's not up to your standards.

Say what you want about players but think twice when you say it. Also, you're probably better off comparing players rather than slag the player who you don't think is good enough for the team.

[NeilMcD]

Lads i am getting scared with all this agreeing to my post, It might go to my head. Calm down someone disagree with it lol.

[carnstien]

So football players aren't individual's? I just don't understand how you can say bad things about people trying their best to represent their country. In your opinion, there is only 12 players that should be in the starting 11 (your ideal 11 + Finnan/Carr). Kerr has capped 43 players, if a player in that 43 was mentioned for a starting place and you didn't think should be in there, you always have to slate them. Is it not possible for Ireland to have a decent bench?

Try to cut down on slating players unless what you are saying is true. We all slate players but most of us actually tell the truth. I would say Harte isn't a great defender so I'd prefer O'Shea in the team. I would even go as far as to say Morrison is atrocious at heading the ball. If someone said to me I think Richard Dunne should be in for O'Brien, I wouldn't start saying things like he's a fat b*stard. Stephen Reid is not a waste of space mate, we need all the players we can get. Kilbane is probably one of the nicest poeple in the world but you still call him a muppet because he's not up to your standards.

Say what you want about players but think twice when you say it. Also, you're probably better off comparing players rather than slag the player who you don't think is good enough for the team.
In fairness, me, you or anyone else is entitled to say whatever they like about a player. Ian Harte is paid £8,000 a week, he is overweight, slow, unfit and half the time looks like he couldn't give a ****e. I am well within my right to slate him or any other footballer I choose to. Kevin Kilbane has got where he has gotten without an iota of talent, fair play to him but if I want to call him a donkey then thats within my rights.

And on the subject of him beening a nice guy, well I sure he is, but that in no way changes my opinion of him as a footballer, nor does Roy Keane being a ******. It doesn't mean Kilbane should make the team and Keane shouldn't.

[eirebhoy]

Ah for god's sake, cop on. You go out there in front of 44k against Bulgaria in August and we'll call you a muppet for not being as good as the rest.