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Dodge

24/05/2011, 7:45 AM

Anybody any info on this?

Sam_Heggy

24/05/2011, 8:49 AM

I don't even think the FAI have details on this.

We're assembling a squad at present with word that 2 other sides will be competing from Donegal in this. We can't tell anyone anything about it.
How can you budget for a competition when you don't know who you'll be playing or how many games there will be? Travel costs, Refs, etc.

Dodge

24/05/2011, 11:15 AM

Hadn't heard anything myself but Shels announced they were 'selected' for it

sheao

24/05/2011, 11:24 AM

As far as i know, City's underage teams are pulling out of the Cork youth leagues at the end of this season.

culloty82

24/05/2011, 1:11 PM

I think it's meant to start August/September, that because the A Championship sides are entering teams, that's why that league is wrapping up so early this year. Haven't heard anything about the groups, but the U-20 league was always regional.

Sam_Heggy

24/05/2011, 1:36 PM

It's to be an "elite" Division of 14 with 2 regional groups below that plus, it starts in August.

That's about all we know.

legendz

01/06/2011, 5:24 PM

Is this definitely, final answer, ending the third tier of the league?

TheBoss

07/06/2011, 12:31 AM

Some info on Bray website:

http://www.braywanderers.ie/index.php?id=600&backPID=1&tt_news=1264

Sam_Heggy

07/06/2011, 7:39 AM

cornflakes

07/06/2011, 5:15 PM

Did I read somewhere Castlebar will be entering a team? I'll try and find it

the 12 th man

08/06/2011, 10:37 AM

With the "new" age rules for the upcoming season anyone know for sure what year these players have to be born in?

JM2010

08/06/2011, 11:38 AM

You have to be born in 93 or after. So basically it's those who would have had one more year at youths level under the old age group rules. They'll now be over age for youths but can feed into the 19's league which works out well.

gael353

08/06/2011, 7:37 PM

So with "Elite" league of 12:
Bray, Bohs, Cork, Dundalk, Mervue, Pats, Salthill, Rovers,Shels, UCD, Waterford, Wexford

We'll have 2 regional divisions of around 7? (guessing that A league sides enter too?)

Northern:
Sligo, Derry, Drogheda, Mons, Harps, Fanad and Letterkenny Rovers

Southern:
Galway, Limerick, Longford, Athlone, Cobh, Tralee, Carlow

I know Letterkenny were entering, anyone else know of any other non-league sides entering?

im guessing from what Vim Kovarmans was hinting that all teams will have to play in "stadiums" as opposed to pitches. So if we look at the elite league there Bray have the carlisle, Bohs have dalymount, Cork have the FAI owned Bishopstown, Dundalk have orial, Mervue have a pitch but a great underage, Pats have inchcore, Salthill have a field on the moores but an excellent underage setup, Rovers have SDCC stadium,Shels have Dannigers Tolka, UCD have Bellfield, Waterford have WCCs stadium (and john delaney, milo corcoran and john tracy,and the star newspaper) Wexford have a good underage.

CCFC1924

18/06/2011, 10:20 AM

Did I read somewhere Castlebar will be entering a team? I'll try and find it

Nope, Celtic will not be entering a team

Scorpion

25/06/2011, 2:04 PM

Is there any dates for the season to kick off for u19s

Battery Rover

28/06/2011, 11:08 PM

Week ending 28th August

deadly man

10/07/2011, 10:34 PM

Don't know

optimus

10/07/2011, 11:17 PM

im guessing from what Vim Kovarmans was hinting that all teams will have to play in "stadiums" as opposed to pitches. So if we look at the elite league there Bray have the carlisle, Bohs have dalymount, Cork have the FAI owned Bishopstown, Dundalk have orial, Mervue have a pitch but a great underage, Pats have inchcore, Salthill have a field on the moores but an excellent underage setup, Rovers have SDCC stadium,Shels have Dannigers Tolka, UCD have Bellfield, Waterford have WCCs stadium (and john delaney, milo corcoran and john tracy,and the star newspaper) Wexford have a good underage.
not owned by the fai .. owned by McCarthy holdings property developers
earmarked for student apartments during the boom .. dunno what the score is now with it

Sam_Heggy

24/07/2011, 8:54 AM

the 12 th man

24/07/2011, 11:10 AM

Just been told yesterday that only players Born in 1993 and after can play in this. We have 3 players who were born late 92 and will be 18 when the league starts yet, they will not be allowed to play for us. Bloody stupid.
This under 19's league is becoming more of a farce the more I hear about it.
Couple that with the **** poor details supplied by the FAI, it's not easy for clubs to prepare for it.

It's going to be the same in all the underage games this year Sam,all over the place with little dudes playing on huge pitches,very harsh on the players missing youth football as you described above .

MikeBassett

05/08/2011, 2:01 PM

It's going to be the same in all the underage games this year Sam,all over the place with little dudes playing on huge pitches,very harsh on the players missing youth football as you described above .

I don't think you can say they're missing out on Youths football really as they are still getting the same years playing underage as everyone over the past few decades.

I do agree with you that players who are 18 when the league kicks off should be allowed played U18 football and likewise for other age groups but January has always been the month they go on.

When I heard they were introducing an U19 age group this season I thought initially it was a fantastic idea as it gives young lads an extra year underage before Adult football but when I heard that they have 'new' age group rules and read through them I thought to myself ''what is the point in this????". U19 should be for players born in 1992 and after not '93.

gufc2000

05/08/2011, 3:38 PM

So how long does this season run for? Is it on right through the winter period?

cornflakes

05/08/2011, 7:14 PM

So how long does this season run for? Is it on right through the winter period?

Found the fixtures for the Southern section (http://www.traleedynamos.com/2011-12%20Under%2019%20League%20Fixtures%20-%20Southern%20Division-2.pdf) on the Tralee Dynamos website, it runs from August 28th til April 1st with a winter break from the 4th of December til the 15th of January. There is a cup competition too

Edit: The fixtures for the Elite Division (http://www.braywanderers.ie/index.php?id=1136) from the Bray website

Sam_Heggy

06/08/2011, 11:03 AM

Northern section teams:

Dundalk
Derry
Sligo
Monaghan
Longford
Harps
Fanad

18 games from Aug to April.
I didn't get the fixture list yet but will post as soon as I get it.

optimus

08/08/2011, 12:12 AM

i cant wait for this to start .. cork city had a very good u17 team last year so it will be interesting to see how they fair against stronger teams than there used to

FlapjackJoe

08/08/2011, 4:16 PM

Some more fixtures found for Shelbourne (http://www.shelbournefc.ie/news.php?id=1911), Salthill Devon (http://www.salthilldevon.ie/fixtures.asp) and on Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011-12_FAI_Underage_League).

optimus

10/08/2011, 10:54 PM

just city games im afraid

Under 19 League Fixture List 2011/12

WEEKEND ENDING SUNDAY, 28th AUGUST 2011
Cork City v Bray Wanderers

WEEKEND ENDING SUNDAY, 4th SEPTEMBER 2011
Mervue United v Cork City

WEEKEND ENDING SUNDAY, 11th SEPTEMBER 2011
U.C.D. v Cork City

WEEKEND ENDING SUNDAY, 18th SEPTEMBER 2011
Cork City v Shamrock Rovers

WEEKEND ENDING SUNDAY, 25th SEPTEMBER 2011
Cork City v Salthill Devon

WEEKEND ENDING SUNDAY, 2nd OCTOBER 2011
Drogheda United v Cork City

WEEKEND ENDING SUNDAY, 23rd OCTOBER 2011
Cork City v Bohemians

WEEKEND ENDING SUNDAY, 6th NOVEMBER 2011
Waterford United v Cork City

WEEKEND ENDING SUNDAY, 20th NOVEMBER 2011
Cork City v St. Patrick’s Athletic

WEEKEND ENDING SUNDAY, 27th NOVEMBER 2011
Cork City v Shelbourne

WEEKEND ENDING SUNDAY, 4th DECEMBER 2011
Wexford Youths v Cork City

WEEKEND ENDING SUNDAY, 11th DECEMBER 2011
Bray Wanderers v Cork City

WEEKEND ENDING SUNDAY, 15th JANUARY 2012
Cork City v Mervue United

WEEKEND ENDING SUNDAY, 22nd JANUARY 2012 – CUP FIRST ROUND

WEEKEND ENDING SUNDAY, 29th JANUARY 2012
Cork City v U.C.D.

WEEKEND ENDING SUNDAY, 5th FEBRUARY 2012 – CUP SECOND ROUND

WEEKEND ENDING SUNDAY, 12th FEBRUARY 2012
Shamrock Rovers v Cork City

WEEKEND ENDING SUNDAY, 19th FEBRUARY 2012
Salthill Devon v Cork City

WEEKEND ENDING SUNDAY, 26th FEBRUARY 2012 – CUP QUARTER-FINALS

WEEKEND ENDING SUNDAY, 11th MARCH 2012
Cork City v Drogheda United

WEEKEND ENDING SUNDAY, 25th MARCH 2012
Bohemians v Cork City (OR CUP SEMI-FINALS)

WEEKEND ENDING SUNDAY, 1st APRIL 2012
Cork City v Waterford United

WEEKEND ENDING SUNDAY, 8th APRIL 2012
St. Patrick’s Athletic v Cork City

WEEKEND ENDING SUNDAY, 15th APRIL 2012
Shelbourne v Cork City

WEEKEND ENDING SUNDAY, 29th APRIL 2012
Cork City v Wexford Youths

WEEKEND ENDING SUNDAY, 6th MAY 2012 – CUP FINAL

FlapjackJoe

11/08/2011, 7:01 AM

Full fixture list here (http://www.wexfordyouthsfc.ie/2011-12%20Under%2019%20League%20Fixtures%20-%20Elite%20Division.pdf).

littlebray

16/08/2011, 10:35 PM

Thanks, FJ, but we had that. In typical Abbotstown fashion, fixtures appear to have been provided Division by Division - nobody got all three sections (Elite, Southern & Northern), so no-one can put the lot online on his/her own!

We're still waiting for the Northern Division fixtures here, we've got the Elite and Southern.

Any joy, Sam Heggy?

I'd also be interested if anyone has heard how the season finishes: playoffs, quarter-finals or what. And any info on the Cup format (I know we'll only get the draw after it's made, duh!! :confused:), will it be regional and then an open round or what?

littlebray

16/08/2011, 10:37 PM

BTW, no sign of any of the fixtures on the FAI or Airtricity sites yet, though they went out at least a week ago!

FlapjackJoe

17/08/2011, 7:18 AM

Thanks, FJ, but we had that.

Not quite. :p

Before I posted that, we only had fixtures for individual teams (Shelbourne, Salthill Devon, Bray Wanderers) in the Elite League.

But I guess I should've said "full fixtures list for the Elite League" instead of raising your hopes of seeing some Northern Division fixtures in there...

Sam_Heggy

17/08/2011, 8:07 AM

There was a fixture meeting last night in Monaghan, when all those fixtures are ok'd I'll post up here.

FlapjackJoe

17/08/2011, 6:54 PM

Northern Division fixtures here (http://www.dundalkfc.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/2011-12-Under-19-League-Fixtures-Northern-Division.pdf) and updated on Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011-12_FAI_Underage_League).

littlebray

20/08/2011, 11:20 PM

Full Fixtures!

Finally, the combined full fixture list in date order - if anyone thinks it can be relied on - is made available here (http://www.braywanderers.com/showarticle.php?id=647).

Errors if spotted, please post them here in the thread ...

PS: I don't plan to update scores week by week, but I would keep a table/tables if there was a reasonable chance of getting reliable results. Any offers?

optimus

21/08/2011, 11:27 PM

il add the cork city results to this thread anyway ...

should also be able to provide match photos.
and match reports

legendz

01/09/2011, 9:40 PM

Is there any site keeping up to date tables. The LoI website... well, I'm not saying anything on the subject.

GreenStar

02/09/2011, 7:39 AM

It's in the other thread: http://loi19.webnode.com

Youths4Ever

02/09/2011, 7:51 AM

It's in the other thread: http://loi19.webnode.com

this needs to be updated as Wexford Youths not in at all and Shamrock Rovers in twice in the league table

legendz

02/09/2011, 9:45 PM

Fair play, the FAI might want to outsource the maintenance of the LoI website to the likes of foot.ie...

FlapjackJoe

08/09/2011, 8:03 AM

Any idea how the promotion/relegation will work?

The logical option would be if the bottom 2 teams in the Elite Division will be relegated and the Northern and Southern Division winners would be promoted (if they meet Elite Division requirements).

Any confirmation of this?

legendz

09/09/2011, 3:57 PM

Wiki's up to date now as well: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011-12_FAI_U19_League

It's a bit surprising Castlebar and Tullamore haven't signed up for this. It seems a good level for progression in the game.

legendz

11/09/2011, 8:08 PM

The winner of the Elite division will qualify for the 2012-13 NextGen series.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NextGen_series

Dodge

12/09/2011, 11:36 AM

Wow, really? Where did you read that?

No doubting you BTW, just looking for info?

Sam_Heggy

12/09/2011, 11:46 AM

Wow, really? Where did you read that?

No doubting you BTW, just looking for info?

It's 100% true alright. The winner of the Elite Division gets into an Under 19 Champions League style jobby.
I think that was the main reason for the age restrictions.

pineapple stu

12/09/2011, 11:50 AM

Jesus; there's no small clubs in there. Unless it's going to grow to include a qualifying round, we'd get utterly thumped in that.

Interesting idea though, and would certainly add a bit of interest to the competition.

Dodge

12/09/2011, 12:14 PM

Just asked someone who'd know. Definitely true alright. He reckons the NextGEn competition will be expanded to 24, with maybe a play off round. Nothing decided yet but an irish team will be in there

GreenStar

12/09/2011, 12:20 PM

This has been on the Rovers website for the last few weeks. Sounds great but my only question would be funding. How do you pay for 3 away trips for your under-19 team? Particularly if that division is won by Pats or Rovers, for example, who's first teams are also likely to be involved in European competition next season.

pineapple stu

12/09/2011, 12:24 PM

Would affect us as well - we've bugger all money and would be one of the favourites for the title I assume (given how well we do at underage level). I don't see how we'd afford three foreign trips tbh.

That said, UEFA prize money does seem to cover travel expenses for the main tournament, and with no trips to Kazan or Astana in the tournament as yet, maybe less prize money would cover the expenses?

How did Rovers pay for the UEFA Futsal Cup? Was there any prize money going for that?

FlapjackJoe

12/09/2011, 1:08 PM

That said, UEFA prize money does seem to cover travel expenses for the main tournament

The NextGen series isn't a UEFA competition, by the way.

GreenStar

12/09/2011, 1:36 PM