Where are my posts?

[Son_Of_Erin32]

Both of them seem to have mysteriously disappeared.

Any particular reason why?

[tiktok]

Both of them seem to have mysteriously disappeared.

nothing mysterious about it. mods moved one of them to rubbish, and gave you a reason for it

[dahamsta]

Take a hint "son of erin".

[jofyisgod]

Take a hint "son of erin".
There'll be horses heads in your bed next :D

[dahamsta]

Poor old Joyce'd turn in his grave at the comparison. :)

[liam88]

Keep the faith Son of Eirn-with you all the way :D
Welcome to the forum bud :D :) :D

[dahamsta]

That's precisely why I wouldn't have you as a mod on Foot.ie Liam. We don't like smartarses or troublemakers, especially when they're adolescent.

adam

[liam88]

That's precisely why I wouldn't have you as a mod on Foot.ie Liam. We don't like smartarses or troublemakers, especially when they're adolescent.

adam
Apologies-I wasn't trying to be a smartarse or a trouble maker-just expressing my opinion and trying to give Son of Erin a good welcome to the forum; as for being an adolescant I can't really do anything about that :D

[liam88]

Wooooooohooooow.

Liam wants to be a mod.

The secret is out.

I thought seeing as Damhamsta was modding the Cobh forum he might want a hand from a Cobh fan :D that's all

[Schumi]

You'd need something to make sense of most of the drivel posted there!

[liam88]

seeing as we're in specifics-Cobh BOARD ;)

[dahamsta]

Cobh forum? Dunno about a hand, but he definitely wouldn't need a dictionary anyway... ;)
ROFL... Leave 'em alone Conor, they're very well behaved these days, which suits me just fine.

Liam, "Son of Erin" - the handle says it all - isn't welcome here by the majority of posters. Hence my comment "take a hint".

adam

[dahamsta]

It should be noted that I don't particularly like singling out posters, I'm just sick of the Celtic thing coming up over and over again. The impression /I/ get, as an administrator, is that on the whole eL and Ireland fans aren't particularly interested in talking about Celtic, not least because on the whole the Celtic fans that come here are smartarses and troublemakers. And eL and Ireland fans get priority on this site. It's what Foot.ie is all about: Irish soccer. Real Irish soccer.

But hey, correct me if I'm wrong.

adam

[liam88]

aye fair play-so if we keep our Celtic posts confined to General football 100% is that ok or would you rather we didn't make Celtic posts at all-that's a serious question, I'm not being sarcastic.

[liam88]

on the whole the Celtic fans that come here are smartarses



Also there aren't many exclusivly Celtic fans on here, if any. Most will also support Ireland and many also support an el team. I'm an Irish fan, a Cobh fan and a Celtic fan in that order as far a football is concerned

[Pat O' Banton]

It should be noted that I don't particularly like singling out posters, I'm just sick of the Celtic thing coming up over and over again. The impression /I/ get, as an administrator, is that on the whole eL and Ireland fans aren't particularly interested in talking about Celtic, not least because on the whole the Celtic fans that come here are smartarses and troublemakers. And eL and Ireland fans get priority on this site. It's what Foot.ie is all about: Irish soccer. Real Irish soccer.

But hey, correct me if I'm wrong.

adam

Fair enough if eL posters are not interested in talking about Celtic no one is forcing them to type on it. If a Celtic post is in any section outside General Football then I don’t believe that anyone would object to where you move it to.

I do object to the implication that to support Celtic means that you cannot support Ireland as I and most of my friends actively do both, very passionately. As I have pointed out before Celtic (and to some extent Hibs) represent something very Irish in the same way that an Irish social Centre, a Irish advice Centre, a GAA team and many other institutions in Britain do. That is the sad and long history of emigration and the fact Irish people have had to band together for financial and emotionally support each other in the face of well documented rascism from the host population. This has seen some of its worst practices in the West of Scotland, and as was discussed on here with Rangers fans throwing potatoes on the pitch at the last Old Firm game or a visit to followfollow.com shows these practices still exist. As anyone who watches any Celtic game will know the amount of tricolours that are on show at Celtic games shows that in the face of this rascism the descendents of the Irish into Scotland have remained very proud of their background.

I do whole-heartedly agree to the idea that Celtic fans living in Ireland should attend Irish League football (apart from the fact that a football club does represent where you are from, I also believe that if people go to domestic football it will pump more money into the game and facilitate the development of young players for Ireland.) However this argument should also apply to Barstool Man Utd., Liverpool Arsenal etc ‘fans’ as well as the those who turn up to Ireland internationals without darkening the door of any football ground (eL of not) from one season to the next

I have no doubt that Celtic fans on this board are equally fed up of the consent attacks on the club and its identity as it often seems like an attack on our identities

Finally when I joined up to this board it was not to spend my time arguing about Celtic, being a smartarse or a trouble maker and I don’t believe that I have been and certainly don’t intend to start now, however I will not except anyone having a go at my friends or myself.

[Colm]

I have no doubt that Celtic fans on this board are equally fed up of the consent attacks on the club.

If the Celtic "fans" are fed up then maybe they should just go to an actual Celtic website (of which I'm sure there are many) and stop annoying us with their constant drivel.
Why not use foot.ie to post about EL matters etc. and save your Scottish crap for a site where people actually give a sh!t.
I honestly think people only post about Celtic here to annoy the rest of us, they know the reaction they'll provoke yet they still constantly post thier crap. I can't understand it.

[dahamsta]

I do object to the implication that to support Celtic means that you cannot support Ireland
That's as far as I got "Pat O' Banton", my "Norf Landan" friend. I'll give you 24 hours to demonstrate the implication, and after that I'll dole out a ban like I do to all the rest of the accusatory muppets we get here that are unable to support their idiotic assertions with statements of fact.

Tick, tick, tick.

adam

[Pat O' Banton]

The impression /I/ get, as an administrator, is that... Ireland fans aren't particularly interested in talking about Celtic... eL and Ireland fans get priority on this site. It's what Foot.ie is all about: Irish soccer. Real Irish soccer.

But hey, correct me if I'm wrong.

adam


This is the implication that I mean. Why is there a seperation between Ireland fans and Celtic fans? What I am pointing out is that Celtic fans can be Ireland fans just as they can support any club of their choice.

[Pat O' Banton]

If the Celtic "fans" are fed up then maybe they should just go to an actual Celtic website (of which I'm sure there are many) and stop annoying us with their constant drivel.
Why not use foot.ie to post about EL matters etc. and save your Scottish crap for a site where people actually give a sh!t.
I honestly think people only post about Celtic here to annoy the rest of us, they know the reaction they'll provoke yet they still constantly post thier crap. I can't understand it.

So on the General football section you cannot post about Celtic? I thought it was for all non eL/ National team matters as I posted earlier if Celtic posts are on anything else apart from General football they should be moved.

[dahamsta]

This is the implication that I mean. Why is there a seperation between Ireland fans and Celtic fans? What I am pointing out is that Celtic fans can be Ireland fans just as they can support any club of their choice.See, that's what I'm talking about. You quote me out of context to support your idiotic assertion. Typical Celtic fan behaviour.


So on the General football section you cannot post about Celtic?And in response to Colm you completely ignore his comment/question -- if you're that mad about Celtic, why don't you go to a Celtic site?

That's why we don't want Celtic fans around here, they're unable to discuss topics in a reasonable, logical manner. Now go away.

adam

[liam88]

Not arguing, just a sincere question because I'm not that clear on it; are we allowed to talk about Celtic in general football or not?
I know that you said we should sign up to a Celtic site to talk about Celtic and I will but does that mean that we'll get banned/warned if we do mention Celtic in general football.
Obv. what you say goes and I'll respect that I just want some clearance on it-I will make my Celtic posts on another site but are we allowed to mention them in general football at all?

[dahamsta]

In all honesty I'd prefer you kept discussion of Celtic to dedicated Celtic sites. They have no place here and they attract muppets like flies to poo.

adam

[liam88]

In all honesty I'd prefer you kept discussion of Celtic to dedicated Celtic sites.


O.k boss no probs :)

(no sarcasm)

[lopez]

That's as far as I got "Pat O' Banton", my "Norf Landan" friend. I'll give you 24 hours to demonstrate the implication, and after that I'll dole out a ban like I do to all the rest of the accusatory muppets we get here that are unable to support their idiotic assertions with statements of fact.

Tick, tick, tick.

adamOh dear! More censorship by the Caudillo. It may have escaped your attention that a. Celtic was founded by an Irishman, b. that their initial client base were first generation Irish, c. most of their current fan base are descendents of these Irish people. It may have also escaped your attention that neither does someone cease being an Irishman/woman when they leave the country nor do they - to use an expression by Connor - become automatically Irish because of where their mother's waters broke. 'Bout time you grew up, or more preferably, take an evening course in modern Irish history, or at least a module dealing with emigration: I think this was quite a big event in the lives of many in Ireland pre 1997 (sarcasm, BTW, very much implied ).

[Dodge]

I'm totally anti censorship BUT I was wondering how long this would go on before somebody brought out the "Celtic are Irish" card...

[Macy]

Me too, but that's exactly the type of post that starts the ball rolling...... :rolleyes:

[max power]

get a big spoon and stir, stir , stir the sh1t.........

[lopez]

I'm totally anti censorship BUT I was wondering how long this would go on before somebody brought out the "Celtic are Irish" card...It is pretty clear what Celtic are. A club in Scotland founded by an Irishman for the Irish community. And as winners of the European Cup (that's Champions League to you) on one occasion and runners up on another, I'm quite proud of a fellow Irishman's achievements. However there seems to be a few 'real' Irishmen on this board who think it's an opportunity to ban anyone who wants to talk about the side - even if it's just in the General Football section. Pretty sad IMO.

I've been critical of Celtic on a number of times - I'm not going to go through that again - and I'm not a great follower of their games. I haven't been to a Celtic game outside London for nearly 20 years. But sorry Dodge, much as you, Dahamsta and Macy like to act out your own little fantasy of being Winston Smith from George Orwell's 1984 in your efforts at either censorship or changing history, you'll just have to live with it.

BTW, Macy, nice to see you still sticking your face into my posts. I found an article in the Sunday Indo. I know you don't live in Longford but it's really funny but I thought of you teh moment I read it. Sweet George Alabama!!! :D

http://www.unison.ie/irish_independent/stories.php3?ca=9&si=1201815&issue_id=11030

[max power]

good man lopez, you believe everything you read in the papers..... :rolleyes:


i also read about celtic fans throwing bananas at coloured players, alabama parkhead perhaps ????? ;)

[Dodge]

It is pretty clear what Celtic are.
Exactly, so why mention it every ****ing time there's any talk about Celtic.

[Macy]

FFS, here we go again. Ban Celtic ffs.

[lopez]

get a big spoon and stir, stir , stir the sh1t.........No need to stir it when you talk so much of it. ;) I'll take your word that Longford is a place of racial tolerence and Celtic Park is not. Personally I couldn't give a monkey's f*ck about either as I have no intention of visiting these two places in the foreseeable future.

What does concern me is the attempt at censorship and historical revision of Celtic as a club founded and initially patroned by what you would regard as 'real' Irish people and nowadays, these people's descendents. The story in the Indo may well be fantasy (once again for your convenience, I DON'T GIVE A F*CK) but Celtic's Irish origins are not. Why has that got nothing to do with Ireland? Why does dahamsta need the urge to ban anyone who talks about it? So we get muppets on here. What about 7 secretos' homophobia and racist remarks about South African blacks. No public ban there from the caudillo.

[lopez]

Exactly, so why mention it every ****ing time there's any talk about Celtic.Why threaten to ban someone for expressing his opinion which included Irish fans should support their local team first and that Celtic be confined to the General football section. The consensus from dahamsta is that Celtic (unlike Man Ure, etc) has nothing to do with Ireland and therefore should not be on this board.

[Dodge]

Why threaten to ban someone for expressing his opinion which included Irish fans should support their local team first and that Celtic be confined to the General football section. The consensus from dahamsta is that Celtic (unlike Man Ure, etc) has nothing to do with Ireland and therefore should not be on this board.
I've already said I'm against censorship but Celtic fans do themselves no favour when bringing up the same, totally unneccassary, points again and again...

I have no problem with people talking about Celtic in genreal football but for a mod in there it must get annoying when all threads end up with "Celtic are irish" arguments...

[tiktok]

The problem is as much down to those among us who have an irrational hatred of Celtic (jumping into threads we have no interest in) as much as it's down to abusive Celtic fans.

I've got no problem with anybody posting about Celtic on the General football section but you only have to look back over this thread to see why moderators get sick of them. The 'Celtic' threads usually run for ages and fill up very quickly as everyone seems to have an opinion (often extreme), there's been two pages added to this in an hour, and trawling through that to make sure nothing insulting or libellous has been written takes time.

By the way, it was all Hunky-Dory until Silvio Dante started in here, can't believe we haven't wound down form his efforts yet ;)

[Colm]

Ban Celtic ffs.

Yeah, it really is the only option.

I mean have a look at the stuff the usual Celtic suspects are saying on this thread and then look at how many times they and other posters have spouted nearly the exact same rubbish on countless other threads over the past year or so.

[lopez]

I have no problem with people talking about Celtic in genreal football but for a mod in there it must get annoying when all threads end up with "Celtic are irish" arguments...This thread was started by Son of Erin wondering why his posts were binned. His first one was harmless enough: see http://foot.ie/showthread.php?t=15008. It was his quip that Celtic is the only team worth following that was the pivotal moment in the binning. Personally I don't agree with him, but hey that's his choice. Didn't insult anyone but gets binned. He then posts about celtic in the EL section. A p*ss take or perhaps he's not the full Euro? Who cares. Didn't insult anyone. Didn't come out with insulting references to Prods, Gays or something close to my heart, Plastics, like a few of posters that are still free to roam (Ah yes, I'm too PC I know). Didn't say Celtic were an Irish club either.

Further down we have Dahamsta laying into Liam88 because he suggests 'to keep the faith.' Remember Liam being given the yellow card over asking for a Celtic section - much as I'd disagree with such a proposal - while others continue to spout sh*te.

In fact so far no mention of Ireland as an Irish club. Then comes top contender for the Planky Gang's next president, Colm - no you never repeat yourself do you? - with his 'save your Scottish crap for a site where people actually give a sh!t'. I could say the same about anything he writes because I've yet to read anything of substance unless you count garbage as substance. Take him to task about anything - like I did about his blinkered views of Irishness and the diaspora - and he f*cks off and sulks. Now the big baby wants to ban people too. :rolleyes: Probably only way anyone will take him seriously.

Funny no mention about that in your 'wonder when you were gonna bring up Celtic is Irish line' Dodge?
The problem is as much down to those among us who have an irrational hatred of Celtic (jumping into threads we have no interest in) as much as it's down to abusive Celtic fans.

I've got no problem with anybody posting about Celtic on the General football section but you only have to look back over this thread to see why moderators get sick of them. The 'Celtic' threads usually run for ages and fill up very quickly as everyone seems to have an opinion (often extreme), there's been two pages added to this in an hour, and trawling through that to make sure nothing insulting or libellous has been written takes time.

By the way, it was all Hunky-Dory until Silvio Dante started in here, can't believe we haven't wound down form his efforts yet ;)Tiktok, I had no intention of going onto any thread about Celtic until I heard from Sylvo - convalescing in his ranch in Kildare at the moment - that a fatwah was about to be handed down to Pat O'B. For what? For expressing a perfectly reasoned opinion.

As for Silvio Dante, well he's past his best - call it burnout if you wish - but his rantings about RMK and McC are still far more contentious and libelous than anything P O'B or son of Erin have said. However I'd still support his right to say them.

[Macy]

Yeah, it really is the only option.

I mean have a look at the stuff the usual Celtic suspects are saying on this thread and then look at how many times they and other posters have spouted nearly the exact same rubbish on countless other threads over the past year or so.
Personally, I feel the people that persist are just wind-up merchants at this stage. They know the reaction they'll get yet come back for more. If it was a Ramblers fan on the Cork forum they'd have been banned at this stage.

Everyone knows Celtic's history, it's just arguing about it's relevance some 112 years later, and very little to do with the actual football played. If it was just about the football then it should be in the General Forum (and any posting anywhere else should be binned not moved). There's a thread which people can go around in circles on the issue all they want, any other's should be binned (not moved). IMHO of course.

[Schumi]

In fact so far no mention of Ireland as an Irish club.Freudian slip? :rolleyes:

[lopez]

Freudian slip? :rolleyes:Well spotted, apologies and point taken. I dislike the people who put Celtic on par with Ireland as much as anyone else, and I've met a few of them in the past. Eg: 'Take that free-state sh*te off' in reference to the Ireland shirt. But when was the last time anyone stated that on this site.
Personally, I feel the people that persist are just wind-up merchants at this stage. They know the reaction they'll get yet come back for more. If it was a Ramblers fan on the Cork forum they'd have been banned at this stage.

Everyone knows Celtic's history, it's just arguing about it's relevance some 112 years later, and very little to do with the actual football played. If it was just about the football then it should be in the General Forum (and any posting anywhere else should be binned not moved). There's a thread which people can go around in circles on the issue all they want, any other's should be binned (not moved). IMHO of course.Remove everything except the EL and the National team, then. If you think that the likes of Liam, Davros and Pat O'B are only interested in posting about Celtic, then that would work better than banning them. Personally I'm more sick of the deluge of Man Ure shirts I see everywhere in Ireland and the reverence it's held. Ban all discussion of any foreign team.

[Plastic Paddy]

I've kept my head down so far in this thread, as I don't particularly want to be banned from here and it's starting to feel like I'm unwelcome just because I'm a Celtic fan. (Yes, I do - quite deliberately - keep the majority of Celtic-related posts on a Celtic board; only occasionally mentioning them here when it's relevant to do so or when other foot.ie users would be interested.) However, I have to come out in support of the points made by Lopez.

It does feel like so much goes by on this board - racist, homophobic and sectarian comments go unchecked - so long as you're one of the chosen. Colm is allowed to reply to Pat O'Banton's fairly well-reasoned arguments with personal abuse, and yet it's Pat that's cautioned. El Siete Secretos is continually allowed to come out with racist and homophobic bile and, despite me asking for some sort of action, he's left to get on with it. And Liam, who's only crime is to ask too many questions, is treated with what seems like contempt.

Adam, I really am very grateful to you for all the hard work that goes in to this board. I just wish a little more consistency was applied in the way moderators exercised their functions. And that includes not tarring all Celtic supporters with the same brush.

:ball: PP

[Plastic Paddy]

The problem is as much down to those among us who have an irrational hatred of Celtic (jumping into threads we have no interest in) as much as it's down to abusive Celtic fans.

I've got no problem with anybody posting about Celtic on the General football section but you only have to look back over this thread to see why moderators get sick of them. The 'Celtic' threads usually run for ages and fill up very quickly as everyone seems to have an opinion (often extreme), there's been two pages added to this in an hour, and trawling through that to make sure nothing insulting or libellous has been written takes time.

Good points tiktok, well-made as usual. :)

:D PP

[Macy]

Well spotted, apologies and point taken. I dislike the people who put Celtic on par with Ireland as much as anyone else, and I've met a few of them in the past. Eg: 'Take that free-state sh*te off' in reference to the Ireland shirt. But when was the last time anyone stated that on this site. Remove everything except the EL and the National team, then. If you think that the likes of Liam, Davros and Pat O'B are only interested in posting about Celtic, then that would work better than banning them. Personally I'm more sick of the deluge of Man Ure shirts I see everywhere in Ireland and the reverence it's held. Ban all discussion of any foreign team.
I said keep it football if talking about Celtic*, the endless "Irish" club question keep it in the thread dedicated to it. Celtic has no relevance to any other board on here except "General Football" or possible Irish players at Celtic, and the other debate has been done to death in this (http://foot.ie/showthread.php?t=6844) thread - why the fook do we need more of the same? Surely it's no benefit to either side of the debate?

*except earlier when I got píssed off with yet another rehash of Celtic history.

[lopez]

*except earlier when I got píssed off with yet another rehash of Celtic history.No one get's the history lesson off me except when they try to distort the history of the club to suit their own petty prejudices.

[Colm]

Take him to task about anything - like I did about his blinkered views of Irishness and the diaspora - and he f*cks off and sulks..

I fail to see where you "took me to task" about anything. The closest I came to finding you "taking me to task" on anything was when you started going on about how Celtic were founded by an Irishman and have Irish fans etc etc etc etc. We've heard it all before mate!
As for my "blinkered views of Irishness", I'll be in Sweden at the weekend supporting an Irish team.... nothing blinkered about that.


Colm is allowed to reply to Pat O'Banton's fairly well-reasoned arguments with personal abuse.

Don't see where I responded with personal abuse, I may have made a few generalisations about Celtic "fans" but could you blame me after seeing some of the posts that have followed on this thread from Lopez et al!


I agree with Macy. I don't think anyone would mind Celtic discussions if they were confined to football but the problem is that the usual Celtic morons hijack every thread with their Celtic are Irish crap.

[Macy]

No one get's the history lesson off me except when they try to distort the history of the club to suit their own petty prejudices.
Well IMO you try and distort Celtic history to suit your own arguement. The club was set up to help Irish immigrants in Glasgow - Fact. It's role for the wider Irish diaspora, or those that remained in Ireland, is where people take issue. It's something that both sides aren't going to agree on, so whats the point of endless discussion going round and round in circles. One thread of that shíte is enough.

IMO the solution - The thread that's in general football be the "Celtic Are Irish Debate" thread and the posters on both sides (and the mods if needs be) keep it that way. Then we can get on with debating footballing issues rather than bullshít... Any of the regular posters that continue bringing it up elsewhere can then, rightly, be banned for being WUM.

[lopez]

As for my "blinkered views of Irishness", I'll be in Sweden at the weekend supporting an Irish team.... nothing blinkered about that. It may have escaped your attention but that's the reason I come onto a site like this with narrow-minded eejits like you. YAWN! I'll let you know next time when I'm abroad following an Irish team as I've done it four times already this year. :rolleyes:
I agree with Macy. I don't think anyone would mind Celtic discussions if they were confined to football but the problem is that the usual Celtic morons hijack every thread with their Celtic are Irish crap.Usually responding to morons that claim it's a Scottish club (with the insinuation that it has no connections with Ireland).

Well IMO you try and distort Celtic history to suit your own arguement. The club was set up to help Irish immigrants in Glasgow - Fact. It's role for the wider Irish diaspora, or those that remained in Ireland, is where people take issue. It's something that both sides aren't going to agree on, so whats the point of endless discussion going round and round in circles. One thread of that shíte is enough. 'The club was set up to help Irish immigrants in Glasgow - Fact.' And that would have no appeal to anyone in Ireland. Nothing at all... :rolleyes:

[dahamsta]

Usually responding to morons that claim it's a Scottish clubYou callin' me a moron lopez? Is that better or worse than a Caudillo? :)


(with the insinuation that it has no connections with Ireland).See, it's not an insinuation, Celtic fans simply choose to read it that way. The history of Celtic is immaterial, what people here have said is that Celtic is a Scottish club, in Scotland, in a Scottish league. Foot.ie is about Irish clubs, in Ireland, in Irish leagues; and the national team. That's the way it's always been, that's the way we like it.

I don't deny Celtic fans get hostility here, but that's simply because Celtic threads have a large tendency to descend into flame wars, and we don't like or want flame wars around here -- again, that was why we set Foot.ie up. If you don't like the hostility, why contribute to it? Why not discuss Celtic somewhere the discussion would be more welcome?

I dunno, perhaps you get some kind of buzz out of flaming us. Frankly, it bores the arse off me. As I've said a thousand times, I run Foot.ie in my spare time, for free. I don't have time for this rubbish, which is why you get "censorship".

adam

[lopez]

You callin' me a moron lopez? Is that better or worse than a Caudillo? :) I was talking about your henchman Colm who suggested that I was a moron. He started it and I couldn't care less what title he holds on here, but if you are gonna call me a moron, then the answer is YES! Don't like it? Your the man with the control buttons.

See, it's not an insinuation, Celtic fans simply choose to read it that way. The history of Celtic is immaterial, what people here have said is that Celtic is a Scottish club, in Scotland, in a Scottish league. Foot.ie is about Irish clubs, in Ireland, in Irish leagues; and the national team. That's the way it's always been, that's the way we like it. I'm all for Irish club football. So is Pat O'B but you chose to ignore that bit. What Colm - and you for that matter - fail to realise is that given the choice between watching an Irish club or Celtic, I would watch the Irish club, so forget the sh*te about me being a Celtic moron. On the other hand, being born outside Ireland gives me a different take on things. Maybe it is this that angers me about suggestions that a club formed by an Irishman, etc. is referred to as Scottish in what is clearly a derogatory way. Suggests to me you and Colm are either people with a shallow knowledge of your country's history or contempt for anyone that had the misfortune to emigrate.

And BTW, who are WE exactly. You got yourself a cosy secret club going on here? Because I don't remember signing up for a second class membership of this forum. If you want it that way, then why allow us extranjeros and dissidents in if you don't like what we've got to say? Facts are there are plenty of people who have a deep interest and support local Irish football that also follow Celtic. Not our fault you've only met the w*nkers. Met a few myself. Time to wake up and smell the coffee.