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Lim till i die
02/06/2011, 3:48 PM
Eventhough the system is a shambles I reckon it's pretty unlikely that even in a one legged playoff Galway or Drogheda would catch any of the top four in the First Division.
And tbh even if they do, then the first division team won't deserve to go up.
legendz
02/06/2011, 7:10 PM
Eventhough the system is a shambles I reckon it's pretty unlikely that even in a one legged playoff Galway or Drogheda would catch any of the top four in the First Division.
And tbh even if they do, then the first division team won't deserve to go up.
Agreed. In fairness the play-off is a once of due to the Premier expansion. If the third place first division team has been unable to finish in the top 2 for automatic promotion and cannot beat the bottom club of the division above, they'll deserve to stay where they are.
passerrby
02/06/2011, 7:14 PM
converservely if a team cannot compete at all and wins no games it should be relegated automatically
converservely if a team cannot compete at all and wins no games it should be relegated automatically
My point exactly.
legendz
02/06/2011, 9:02 PM
This years system is as it is anyways. Going forward, should the bring back the relegation system of recent seasons or change it?
Mr Maroon
02/06/2011, 9:21 PM
This years system is as it is anyways. Going forward, should the bring back the relegation system of recent seasons or change it?
2 down, 2 up. Play offs are a nonsense.
legendz
02/06/2011, 9:58 PM
2 down, 2 up. Play offs are a nonsense.
I'd agree in a 16 team league. For 10 or 12 team league, 1.5 down, 1.5 up. The half being one of the so-called nonsense play-offs.
A look across Europe:
Denmark 2 (12)
Scotland 1 (12)
Swiss 1.5 (10)
Austria 1 (10)
Slovakia 1 (12)
Finland 1 (12)
Latvia 1 or 1.5 (9 or 10)
Slovenia 1.5 (10)
Iceland 2 (12)
Moldova 1 (14) They play 3 series of 13 games:
The pairings of the third round will then be set according to the standings after the first two rounds, giving every team a third game against each opponent for a total of 39 games per team. 1-7 have the extra home game.
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa236/pat_462/football/moldovanleague.jpg
A number of leagues with 16 tend to go 2 up and 2 down.
Dodge
02/06/2011, 10:26 PM
2 down, 2 up. Play offs are a nonsense.
Disagree. The promotion/relegation play off is one of the few things the league got right.
peadar1987
03/06/2011, 1:22 AM
Disagree. The promotion/relegation play off is one of the few things the league got right.
A premier team against a first division team is a good thing, because it makes it more likely that the genuinely better team will be in the top division. Playoffs between teams in the same division are just gimmicky though. If a team's proved themselves better over 36 games, they shouldn't have to do it again in a one-off or two-legged affair.
Ezeikial
03/06/2011, 1:25 AM
It would be helpful if the FAI actually confirmed what the set up is going to be.
Come to think of it, perhaps a starting point is confirming if they will continue running the league at all or not.
Hurt Locker
03/06/2011, 10:09 AM
Disagree. The promotion/relegation play off is one of the few things the league got right.
Agree gives the likes of Monaghan, Limerick, Longford, Mervue hope.
RahenyBohs
22/06/2011, 10:21 PM
It was said on MNS the other night that there is no automatic relegation this season, I was under the impression that the team that finishes last goes down with the team that finishes 9th going into a play-off with the 3rd place team in the first division, Anyone know the story with this?
It's ridiculous. Kills the point of a league table if the last place team doesn't get relegated(disregarding licenses or teams being demoted etc). Might explain the lack of effort at times from the likes of Galway and Drogheda down at the bottom of the premier.
gufc2000
26/06/2011, 11:38 AM
It's ridiculous. Kills the point of a league table if the last place team doesn't get relegated(disregarding licenses or teams being demoted etc). Might explain the lack of effort at times from the likes of Galway and Drogheda down at the bottom of the premier.
I think lack of effort is a bit unfair, the players are hardly going out to lose games. Lack of ability might be more appropriate
RahenyBohs
26/06/2011, 6:39 PM
I think lack of effort is a bit unfair, the players are hardly going out to lose games. Lack of ability might be more appropriate
I don't mean to be harsh about it but if you're not going to get relegated automatically by coming last you'll be more relaxed compared to the opposite situation.
gufc2000
26/06/2011, 8:21 PM
I don't mean to be harsh about it but if you're not going to get relegated automatically by coming last you'll be more relaxed compared to the opposite situation.
A play-off though this year could be as bad as automatic relegation. I wouldn't fancy playing Shels/Cork/Mons/Limerick in a play-off. I know it gives ya an extra chance to stay up, but everything should be geared towards avoiding finishing last.
Trainee
16/08/2011, 5:19 PM
Clubs were informed by FAI that the playoff will be over 2 legs
1st leg - 3rd in 1st Div V Galway Utd
2nd leg - Galway Utd V 3rd in 1st Div
That's pretty much the end of Galway's chances. They were slim when it was one game in Terryland, but over two legs it would take a miracle altogether.
MagicMon
16/08/2011, 5:54 PM
They said that about Salthill last year though. Its a pity that Drogheda or UCD won't get a chance to get relegated.
Magicme
16/08/2011, 5:58 PM
Feck sake, I think we would have had a better chance in a one off game coz the lads will be tired enough by then.
take it easy on them then, MM!! ;)
BonnieShels
16/08/2011, 8:19 PM
You'll be fine. Come on Mons/Lims!
maksimir
16/08/2011, 8:50 PM
A play-off though this year could be as bad as automatic relegation. I wouldn't fancy playing Shels/Cork/Mons/Limerick in a play-off. I know it gives ya an extra chance to stay up, but everything should be geared towards avoiding finishing last.
I know you've had a stressfull season but that comment is a tad strange. You have a chance (albeit a very slim one) of winning a play-off rather than being demoted automatically. Also, draw Cork or Limerick in particular and you would have c.750 travelling fans alone at Terryland and a bumper home crowd with big gate receipts. I know it has been a tough old season but try not to be to fatalistic regarding a possible play-off match. Wait for that rotund female to sing a tune until you throw the towel in.
nigel-harps1954
16/08/2011, 9:55 PM
So, a 9 team first division next season?
Martinho II
16/08/2011, 10:50 PM
So, a 9 team first division next season?
why what has happened there? surely they will bring in another team?
why what has happened there? surely they will bring in another team?
ya, probably Athenry Fc !
pineapple stu
17/08/2011, 7:49 AM
Its a pity that Drogheda or UCD won't get a chance to get relegated.
Why? Both sides rebuilding and improving in recent weeks. Why stunt that?
Plenty of room for one or both of us to go down next season.
Mr Maroon
17/08/2011, 9:43 AM
That's us relegated now.
It'll also lower the crowd for the home leg. Less people will turn up after we've lost the away leg.
El-Pietro
17/08/2011, 10:03 AM
That's us relegated now.
It'll also lower the crowd for the home leg. Less people will turn up after we've lost the away leg.
youll get more away fans though.
If we were in a two legged play off and we had a lead after the home tie you could bank on anywhere from 500-1000 fans traveling to Galway
Mr Maroon
17/08/2011, 10:28 AM
youll get more away fans though.
If we were in a two legged play off and we had a lead after the home tie you could bank on anywhere from 500-1000 fans traveling to Galway
I hope Monaghan don't finish third!
Magicme
17/08/2011, 12:39 PM
I hope Monaghan don't finish third!
Me too, I hope we are first or second!
Lim till i die
17/08/2011, 1:13 PM
Clubs were informed by FAI that the playoff will be over 2 legs
1st leg - 3rd in 1st Div V Galway Utd
2nd leg - Galway Utd V 3rd in 1st Div
:bulgy:
Have to come second. :eek:
Not confident tbs, tbs.
Lim till i die
17/08/2011, 1:14 PM
Also, draw Cork or Limerick in particular and you would have c.750 travelling fans alone at Terryland and a bumper home crowd with big gate receipts.
Divide that by four or five for Limerick!
If anyone's not confident of beating Galway in a must-win game, you should probably stop bothering trying to be promoted now...
Mr Maroon
17/08/2011, 3:13 PM
Not confident tbs, tbs.
You should be.
Jofspring
17/08/2011, 3:52 PM
Now to add more complication, do away goals come into play in the playoffs or will it go to extra time and penalties?
Traditionally they have not counted in playoffs.
BonnieShels
17/08/2011, 4:01 PM
Depends on who gets into the play offs and how many away goals Galway get.
Best o'luck Lims!
John83
17/08/2011, 4:29 PM
Depends on who gets into the play offs and how many away goals Galway get.
Best o'luck Lims!
This is a broke Galway, not France.
Lim till i die
17/08/2011, 7:41 PM
If anyone's not confident of beating Galway in a must-win game, you should probably stop bothering trying to be promoted now...
You should be.
Limerick refuse to win in Terryland under any cirsumstance.
BonnieShels
17/08/2011, 8:18 PM
This is a broke Galway, not France.
FIFA and France v the FAI has nothing on the FAI v Limerick
Limerick refuse to win in Terryland under any cirsumstance.
I don't think you get a choice this season. Unfortunately as I'd love to see Galway stay up.
Tempting fate as Rovers visit there next where Galway are due a result in the league and against Rovers...
mypost
18/08/2011, 1:08 AM
Now to add more complication, do away goals come into play in the playoffs or will it go to extra time and penalties?
Away goals rules don't exist in LOI football. Indeed the idea of goal difference didn't either, until 1994.
Galway are due a result against Rovers...
They got it.
It was in 1991, but they got it.
This 2 leg playoff format puts Galway Utd's plans in chaos now.The M.C had changed their focus from their heroic efforts in fundraising etc over the last few months to bringing out a shiny new Dvd in time for the playoff game.The Dvd Soundtrack was to be done by the Saw Doctors with their song "To Win Just Once" the aptly named title of the Dvd.
gufc2000
18/08/2011, 12:08 PM
Seems strange though that they have announced a change from the original intention. I mean a one off game at home you'd always hope that no matter how bad we've been we could pull it off. Now it looks impossible tbh.
If the First Division team can't beat us over 2 legs then they don't deserve to go up.
Still the show goes on, and once we've a team to support next year is the main thing.
passerrby
18/08/2011, 12:19 PM
If the First Division team can't beat us over 2 legs then they don't deserve to go up..
one could argue that if you go 20 + games without a win you don deserve stay up
Away goals rules don't exist in LOI football. Indeed the idea of goal difference didn't either, until 1994
Limerick beat Pats into the Top 6 split in 92/93 season on goal difference.
'Twas different at the tope of the league alright
MagicMon
18/08/2011, 1:16 PM
one could argue that if you go 20 + games without a win you don deserve stay up
All this talking sense and using logic will only get you in trouble
Mr Maroon
18/08/2011, 1:32 PM
Obviously we don't deserve to stay up. We're one of the worst LOI teams of all time.
WoodquayBoy
18/08/2011, 3:27 PM
No Mr Maroon, we're THE worst LOI team of all time, as no ever team has ever lost 20 games on the bounce before. And Mypost, we're still celebrating that 1991 result down here - 20 years on, we've shag all else to be happy about. Though Aaron Greene's goal in Tallaght back in '09 brought a smile to my face, and the faces of those in Phibsboro!
Mr Maroon
18/08/2011, 3:55 PM
No Mr Maroon, we're THE worst LOI team of all time, as no ever team has ever lost 20 games on the bounce before. And Mypost, we're still celebrating that 1991 result down here - 20 years on, we've shag all else to be happy about. Though Aaron Greene's goal in Tallaght back in '09 brought a smile to my face, and the faces of those in Phibsboro!
It's the worst losing run, but teams have finished LOI seasons with lower points totals than we currently have. So we're not quite the worst.
And we beat them at least twice in the season we were both in the First Division.
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