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Anyone see the Echo Report
www.eecho.ie/pdf/back.pdf/ (http://www.eecho.ie/pdf/back.pdf/)
In that Ollie Byrne claims he had a word with the young lad who threw things at Dolan.
Never mind that there was more than one lad and the fella who threw the water ballon at point blank range managed to run away out of the ground without any stweards, never mind Ollie Byrne getting near him.
Rotten from the Chairman down
Citygirl
09/06/2004, 2:43 PM
cant believe we let this one slip away...city were all over them in the first half...nwankwo was caught outta position way too much last nite and i thought that kearney should have been brought on sooner..as for the skuts throwing water balloons..they were still hanging around outside the grounds after the game..we were all in hallway above the bar when some guy (a barman?) dragged one of them up the stairs with a water balloon in his hand when he shoved him outside the young fella must have said something cos the shels fella threw the balloon at him...serves him right!
Ozymandias
09/06/2004, 4:10 PM
The little cnut that hit dolan with the water ballon was caught....he took off like a greyhound to the far corner exit but a guy in a suit ran the length of the pithc and just got him at the gate....and dragged him back in...don't know what happened after that.....the fans at half time threw bottles and oranges and water balloons at dolan and more water as he was leaving the pitch....that yolk they wheel out for the tunnel is a joke
tiktok
09/06/2004, 5:52 PM
...in an article where football is hardly mentioned. :rolleyes:
"Somebody came up at half-time behind me and hit me with a water baloon", claimed Dolan, and photographic evidence may back up his claim. "And somebody else hit me with a coin. But what can i do about that? I did nothing to intimidate anyone here tonight. That comes from within the higher echelons of Shelbourne football club. They think that's acceptable."
"I laugh at it, the fact they do this to Pat Dolan. I ask the referee about it, he says it's not his problem, I ask the security but if they want to abuse me here, then that's okay."
"You've seen the incident yourselves, you be the judge of it", said Dolan. "anything I would say would just be controversial. But they're good at that here, you know, intimidating officials. It's acceptable to do that here."
He also pays tribute to the City fans, while having a dig at the poor attendance, and says City are a better footballing side, but not strong enough for Shels 'direct' style.
The two lines I've put in bold worry me, we know what Oily and Shels are like and it's probably in Pat's best interest not to use phrases like this, even if we all know that there's truth behind them. It actually takes the focus away from Shels absolutely abysmal attempts to control the crowd and protect players and officials and instead casts the glare at the Dolan -v- Shels saga. No doubt Oily's response will condescend again in a situation where he should be grovelling and explaining himself.
Whether you consider a water baloon as funny or not, fact is, CCFC's manager was struck on more than one occasion as he walked off the pitch, so let me be the first to say it, it's time to stop fining them, dock the pr!cks points :mad:
Thrown at anyone else - the water balloon would've been a disgrace - but at D***n, it was fúckin hillarious! Anyway, it all started with some scumbag in a Village jersey throwing one at us and leaving the rest of his water balloons in the jacks, hence how the youngfellas got hold of them, so if you think Shels should be fined then I'm sure, in the interest of justice, you lot should be fined aswell.
You are the disgrace.... :rolleyes: all 20 of you and your sh*tty, rotten club.
jofyisgod
09/06/2004, 6:11 PM
No doubt Oily's response will condescend again in a situation where he should be grovelling and explaining himself.
In the Echo, Oily says that Pat is just 'trying to sour relations between the two clubs' :rolleyes: He then goes on to say that there was never trouble with Gunther, etc. Pr1ck.
Thrown at anyone else - the water balloon would've been a disgrace - but at D***n, it was fúckin hillarious!
Well maybe someone should throw a petrol bomb in Ollie Byrne's face so. I think that would be "fúckin hillarious"!
The scenario could have been so much worse if it had been some nutcase with something else in his hand.
That was one of my first thoughts aswell. It's worrying when you think about it and it wouldn't be surprising either considering the kind of criminals associated with Shels.
Just on the antics of the Shels fans. Total disgrace. Why the hell should Club like Bohs and City bother with putting in such an effort, spending time and money to stop pitch invasions when clubs like Pats and Shels do absolutly nothing to stop them.
Yeah it seems that ourselves and Bohs are the only clubs with any sort of regulations. Shels and Pats allow their fans to run onto the pitch and to use flares. I'd rather either every club implements these rules or no club does, it can't go on like it is now.
In that Ollie Byrne claims he had a word with the young lad who threw things at Dolan.
He was probably saying well done. :mad:
The two lines I've put in bold worry me, we know what Oily and Shels are like and it's probably in Pat's best interest not to use phrases like this, even if we all know that there's truth behind them.
Dolan was attacked in Shels home ground he's more than to question it even if that means ruffling a few feathers. Fair play to Pat, a lot of people are afraid to speak out against the disgrace that is Shelbourne football club but he isn't and for that he must be applauded.
tiktok
09/06/2004, 6:33 PM
Fair play to Pat, a lot of people are afraid to speak out against the disgrace that is Shelbourne football club but he isn't and for that he must be applauded.
I've no problem with him speaking out Colm, I just think he needs to be careful in his choice of words, Oily's got as many lawyers as players, and if you can't prove the allegations you make you can run into trouble.
tiktok
09/06/2004, 7:06 PM
great report of the game here (http://www.irishfootballonline.com/news_story.php?newsid=1739) including a photo which reminded me of Doyler's quite legitimate penalty claim when we were 2-1 up. :(
I've no problem with him speaking out Colm, I just think he needs to be careful in his choice of words, Oily's got as many lawyers as players, and if you can't prove the allegations you make you can run into trouble.
I see what you're saying alright Tiktok but I actually think he was careful in his choice of words. He said that the higher echelons of Shels think it's acceptable for objects to be thrown at him and the inaction of security last night would appear to back up that claim.
He then said they think it's acceptable to intimidate match officals. That's quite easy to prove aswell. Just look at Scumbag Heary pushing Jim O'Neill at the Cross last year or Ollie Byrne himself running onto the pitch like a wildman at the Cross years ago because the ref didn't play the 2 mins added time.
Everything about Shelbourne football club is rotten, they are a disgrace to this league. Everyone hates Rovers but there is a lot more wrong with Shels then there could ever be with Rovers.
Reading that report we can see that Heary was his usual scumbag self, and that filthy sh*tbag Rogers is still getting away with it game in, game out...These cnuts can do what they like...... :rolleyes:
Slash/ED
10/06/2004, 8:19 PM
Dolan was attacked in Shels home ground he's more than to question it even if that means ruffling a few feathers. Fair play to Pat, a lot of people are afraid to speak out against the disgrace that is Shelbourne football club but he isn't and for that he must be applauded.
Yes, I applaud that coming from someone like Dolan, he of all people is able to brand other people a 'disgrace', afterall, he's never assaulted an opposition manager in his own stadium or anything has he? Oh hang on....
Everything about Shelbourne football club is rotten, they are a disgrace to this league. Everyone hates Rovers but there is a lot more wrong with Shels then there could ever be with Rovers.
It's called success. Gaurenteed if we were in Rovers position and they were in ours you wouldn't be saying that. If Cork ever manage to achieve some kind of success, maybe win a few more league cups or something equally heroic, you'd probably get the same responce.
It's called success.
If we were all corrupt criminals we'd probably have that success aswell.
We'll achieve far greater success in the future but we'll do it properly.
Slash/ED
10/06/2004, 8:31 PM
We'll achieve far greater success in the future but we'll do it properly.
how long has that been the City slogan for now?
It's called success.
For who exactly?
Years ago, when $h£l$ played in Ringsend, it meant something to the large and loyal following they had. Who does it mean anything to now?
A few dozen "hardcore" supporters, a jailbird and a motley collection around him? Your buddies in Manchester?
It means absolutely nothing to the residents of Drumcondra or anywhere else in Dublin or Ireland.
A small club, run by small men, both literally and figuratively, for a small crowd of small people...... :rolleyes:
A face
10/06/2004, 9:38 PM
Man .... every Shels fan here has defended it .... What is the league ending up like ?? :rolleyes:
A small club, run by small men, both literally and figuratively, for a small crowd of small people...... :rolleyes:
Couldn't have put it better myself. Sums them up perfectly.
Man .... every Shels fan here has defended it
Their convict chairman has them well trained.
tiktok
10/06/2004, 9:51 PM
Man .... every Shels fan here has defended it .... What is the league ending up like ?? :rolleyes:
I was listening to Ger Gilroy's EL fans forum tonight on newstalk106 and the Shels representative said he didn't condone it, but by his refusal to comment on the incident, more or less implied that because it was Dolan ( he started on about 'certain people' and 'history' that it was expected and understandable.
Fair play to the Rovers fan though who came out complimenting Dolan and called it a disgrace.
At the rick of sounding melodramatic, if the fans are not going to come out and condemn this then where are they going to draw the line, when it's a glass bottle, when it happens in a Euro fixture.
There's a few sane heads on the Shels message board talking sense but they get ignored.
Two City fans were banned from the cross for the recent incident at home to Rovers, it seems to me that there are only a few clubs who take the safety and security side of the matchday experience seriously.
I was listening to Ger Gilroy's EL fans forum tonight on newstalk106 and the Shels representative said he didn't condone it, but by his refusal to comment on the incident, more or less implied that because it was Dolan ( he started on about 'certain people' and 'history' that it was expected and understandable.
Fair play to the Rovers fan though who came out complimenting Dolan and called it a disgrace..
Heard that too. He was saying didn't condone but then as you said his comments directly contradicted that.
Shel$ are really getting tiresome now. Sure even in their official "programme" (term used loosely) some guy writting that should let the pass disputes go with Dolan only to have a few digs at him about "that league title" etc...
:rolleyes:
Slash/ED
11/06/2004, 11:46 AM
For who exactly?
Years ago, when $h£l$ played in Ringsend, it meant something to the large and loyal following they had. Who does it mean anything to now?
A few dozen "hardcore" supporters, a jailbird and a motley collection around him? Your buddies in Manchester?
It means absolutely nothing to the residents of Drumcondra or anywhere else in Dublin or Ireland.
A small club, run by small men, both literally and figuratively, for a small crowd of small people...... :rolleyes:
As opposed to a team famous for bandwagon jumping fans, who's crowds double of half depending on where you are in the league. I find it very ironic and laughable reading that coming from a Cork fan. If you think the Shels fans aren't loyal than you really are pathetic and bitter.
Shel$ are really getting tiresome now. Sure even in their official "programme" (term used loosely) some guy writting that should let the pass disputes go with Dolan only to have a few digs at him about "that league title" etc...
Yeah, it's not like Dolan to have a few sly digs. Open your eyes! even after the a match in Derry, Derry! A match that had **** all to do with Shels Dolan was mouthing off about us.
Man .... every Shels fan here has defended it .... What is the league ending up like ??
I never defended it, and while your all getting beautifully morally outraged, how does this compare to having an actual bottle thrown at you during a match? I didn't notice any "What is the league ending up like???" posts than. How strange.
Yeah, it's not like Dolan to have a few sly digs. Open your eyes! even after the a match in Derry, Derry! A match that had **** all to do with Shels Dolan was mouthing off about us..
Can't stop managers from mouthing off in the press but IMO official club publications shoulkd have higher standards. When the Pats programme had a dig off Liam Murphy a few years ago they held their hands up 7 admitted it was a mistake & end of issue.
I never defended it, and while your all getting beautifully morally outraged, how does this compare to having an actual bottle thrown at you during a match? I didn't notice any "What is the league ending up like???" posts than. How strange.
When did this happen. CCFC recently banned 2 fans for incidents off the pitch, most city fans backed this with a minority sticking up for them.
Slash/ED
11/06/2004, 12:06 PM
Can't stop managers from mouthing off in the press but IMO official club publications shoulkd have higher standards. When the Pats programme had a dig off Liam Murphy a few years ago they held their hands up 7 admitted it was a mistake & end of issue.
Are you really trying to suggest it's okay for Dolan to have a dig at everyone at our club, "from the chairman down", after a post match interview after a match in Derry, but it's a disgrace of some fella in a programme has a dig back at him? Right....
When did this happen. CCFC recently banned 2 fans for incidents off the pitch, most city fans backed this with a minority sticking up for them.
It happend after Ollie Cahill scored in the match earlier in the year. Oh but a water balloon is far worse isn't it?
As opposed to a team famous for bandwagon jumping fans, who's crowds double of half depending on where you are in the league. I find it very ironic and laughable reading that coming from a Cork fan. If you think the Shels fans aren't loyal than you really are pathetic and bitter.
Our lowest attendance for a league game in the past three seasons is still nearly double your average attendance and ye're the ones with all the success, not us.
It happend after Ollie Cahill scored in the match earlier in the year. Oh but a water balloon is far worse isn't it?
Ollie Cahill provoked the Shed by gesturing in celebration, Dolan did nothing to provoke the crowd on Tuesday.
Cahill had one can of Bulmers thrown in his direction, it went nowhere near him. Dolan had numerous missiles thrown at him at half time the other night and then at the end of the game someone walked up and threw a missile directly into his face. You can't even compare the two incidents.
Rotten from the chairman down.
Slash/ED
11/06/2004, 5:36 PM
Our lowest attendance for a league game in the past three seasons is still nearly double your average attendance and ye're the ones with all the success, not us.
That's got nothing to do with what I said though has it, I notice you didn't dispute that.
Ollie Cahill provoked the Shed by gesturing in celebration, Dolan did nothing to provoke the crowd on Tuesday.
Cahill had one can of Bulmers thrown in his direction, it went nowhere near him. Dolan had numerous missiles thrown at him at half time the other night and then at the end of the game someone walked up and threw a missile directly into his face. You can't even compare the two incidents.
Rotten from the chairman down.
ahahaha :D
You're sitting there and seriously trying to say having one can of bulmers, something that could have knocked him out if your fans didn't have the success rate throwing your team has at winning things, is perfectly alright, but Dolan having numerous water baloons thrown at him is a disgrace? How do you take yourself seriously? :D
What is the league ending up like ?? :rolleyes:
As for provoking, I think years of sly digs every time he gets the chance and than assaulting our manager is provokation enough, oh I notice nobody has mentioned that one either, strange.
By the way, what has our chairman done to upset everyone all of a sudden?
As opposed to a team famous for bandwagon jumping fans, who's crowds double of half depending on where you are in the league. I find it very ironic and laughable reading that coming from a Cork fan. If you think the Shels fans aren't loyal than you really are pathetic and bitter.
Soccer in this City has suffered from a lot of problems over the years with badly run clubs going out of business, competeing with the most successful GAA clubs/county in the country and the involvement of almost everybody in the City in some form of sport. Cork people will support any club, but it takes time to convince them that club is worth sticking with. When they do, all can see the massive support we can get. We have not won anything for a while, so to accuse 6,000 people of "bandwagon jumping" shows you to be an idiot.
Its also rich coming from someone who follows a club that can fit all their fans on one single wagon, band or otherwise.
What is really pathetic and bitter is that a so-called fan is defending and excusing an assault on a manager of a rival club at your ground. Excusing this behaviour shows you to be not a football fan, but a football thug.
You are simply a mimic of your corrupt, criminal lowlife chairman, who brings nothing but shame, opprobrium and disgrace to the once proud name of Shelbourne.
Slash/ED
12/06/2004, 6:42 PM
Soccer in this City has suffered from a lot of problems over the years with badly run clubs going out of business, competeing with the most successful GAA clubs/county in the country and the involvement of almost everybody in the City in some form of sport. Cork people will support any club, but it takes time to convince them that club is worth sticking with. When they do, all can see the massive support we can get. We have not won anything for a while, so to accuse 6,000 people of "bandwagon jumping" shows you to be an idiot.
Do you get 6,000 every week? No, suddenly a few thousand disappear when the big matches aren't around. Band wagon jumping support, in other words.
Its also rich coming from someone who follows a club that can fit all their fans on one single wagon, band or otherwise.
Yes but you accused our fans of not caring, for some unknown reason, which is different, and ********.
What is really pathetic and bitter is that a so-called fan is defending and excusing an assault on a manager of a rival club at your ground. Excusing this behaviour shows you to be not a football fan, but a football thug.
You are simply a mimic of your corrupt, criminal lowlife chairman, who brings nothing but shame, opprobrium and disgrace to the once proud name of Shelbourne.
I never defended it, it was disgraceful and the people behind it should have been ejected, my point is the moral outrage on from the Cork fans, given that Dolan himself 'assaulted a manager of a rival club at your ground' and amazingly there were no 'what have the league become :rolleyes: ' posts than...
By the way, what has Finbar Flood done to **** off you Cork fans?
And league champions and top of the league, I think it's fair to say there's still plenty of pride in the name Shelbourne. Of course oppositon fans hate us, you wouldn't hate us if we weren't the best :)
your post
:rolleyes:
just what is this drivel supposed to mean :confused:
You just don't get it do you?
Nobody hates Shelbourne, people simply despise them. There is a vast difference, but your little coterie are so far up your own h*les, you think its because you won the league.
So what?
You are a member of a little group who support a club whose ethos and methodology is anathema to most eL fans.
You are so busy wallowing in the mire that you just don't see reality anymore.
Slash/ED
12/06/2004, 9:47 PM
Ahh, I see what you did there, you just ignored all the points I was making about Dolan assaulting Fenlon and the can of bulmers being thrown at Cahill and just have a crappy little dig at Shels instead. Is that you Dolan?
A face
12/06/2004, 10:40 PM
People really got alot off their chests there ddin't they !!
We can now all wait and see what is done about this incident !!
If nothing is done then we know it is OK to behave this way at any eL game. I mean it has to be a clear sign from the powers that be that all this carry on is perfectly fine and acceptable.
Next home game V Shels August = Fri 13th Shelbourne H 7.45pm
patsh
13/06/2004, 10:14 AM
Ahh, I see what you did there, you just ignored all the points I was making about Dolan assaulting Fenlon and the can of bulmers being thrown at Cahill and just have a crappy little dig at Shels instead. Is that you Dolan?
I have on many posts condemned the Cahill incident, as did virtually all City fans.
As for "Dolan assaulting Fenlon" ha, ha,ha,ha
You really do swallow the Byrne fantasy, hook, line and sinker, don't you.
And "crappy little dig at Shels"?
when one is referring to sh*t, one must mention sh*t.
tiktok
14/06/2004, 9:36 AM
Slash/Ed, you've always made sense when you've posted, and I don't see to much wrong with what you're saying now, but just a few things.
We've won very little in our history, not much of a bandwagon to jump on. What's happened is while we have a fickle 'sunshine' bunch, our core support has risen significantly (both home and away). Not that long ago, that a poor run would yield home attendances of 1500-2000 but now it rarely drops below 4,000, also certain clubs bring a big away support (and attract a bigger home one) which is a factor in the variation.
No-one on here saw the post-match Fenlon/Dolan incident, so we can't chastise Dolan for it, reports suggest they were as childish as one another. Look back on the thread in the City forum at the time though and I guarentee there'll have been loads of us who called the tripping incident (which was seen) 'sour grapes'.
The Ollie Cahill incident was roundly condemned by fans here, I don't have to read back on the thread to remember that. 451 (the fanzine) did an article on the need to exclude alcohol from the ground and increase the levels of stewarding in the Shed, and most fans would have pointed out the idiot in question had we seen who threw it, I know I would have.
The fundamental difference between the incidents though is no fan would have gotten as close to Ollie Cahill as the water carrier did to Dolan, and there are FAI and UEFA guidelines regarding pitch encroachments that are not being enforced in Tolka.
No-one's suggesting it was the BD boys that were involved in this, if Shels charged under 12's €2.50 rather than leaving skanger kids in for free that incident wouldn't have happened, but the club are responsible for the safety and stewarding of those they allow in.
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