Let's give Fenn a break

[razor]

I HAVE ALWAYS SUPPORTED THE 11 PLAYERS THAT ARE ON THE PITCH. AND ILL CRITICISE AFTERWARDS IF I FEEL THERE IS A NEED
For once we agree and I'm glad to hear you weren't one of those that abused Fenn during the game last Friday night.


i see you dont set your standards very high if you call that "effort"
But the thing is, i don't think you do see.
:cool:
By saying he is putting in effort, doesn't mean he couldn't do more because I think he can but I think that could go for more than half the team.
What I don't agree with is the singling out of one player and for him to be taking the brunt of peoples frustrations.

[thecorner]

What I don't agree with is the singling out of one player and for him to be taking the brunt of peoples frustrations.

we are on a good unbeaten run on the moment but i would put that to the whole team -fenn

if he had played they way we were told he could play how many of the draws in that run would have been wins :confused:

[Soko]

For those of you who think JOF is putting in 100% effort I advise you to watch him closely next Friday. His running and movement is appaling and he seems a pale shadow of himself chasing players down. And this has nothing to do with his fitness levels, if he was'nt fully match fit the least he could do is put himself about for an hour and then allow Dolan to bring in fresh legs (like he could think of doing that :rolleyes: )

[tiktok]

Does anyone care to explain to me why criticising a player is wrong, but its all fine and dandy when some of you direct it at team, probably feeling it was justified?

That's not what i said and you know well it's not :rolleyes: . I have no problem with someone criticising a player, management or the team as a whole, in this case some of you feel it's justified, some of us don't.

I said there was a difference between booing an individual player (on the team you support, before I'm paraphrased again and Alan Reynolds is added to the mix :rolleyes: ) and booing the team as a whole.

[patsh]

I said there was a difference between booing an individual player (on the team you support, before I'm paraphrased again and Alan Reynolds is added to the mix :rolleyes: ) and booing the team as a whole.
:rolleyes:
OK, I'll ask yet again.
These are quotes from you on this thread. Please explain the difference that you seem to think exists to me.


I can't stand anyone booing any city player on the field, or while he's walking off it to be substituted
.........
Support your team and your players for christs sake.

if you're a supporter, you should be there to support, full stop.


I said I'd boo the team off if I felt that they didn't perform


As for your comment about paraphrasing and adding Reynolds into the mix, read my posts on this thread. I believe this is the 3rd time I've asked what this difference is, without ever paraphrasing anyone, or introducing Reynolds,Tom Cobley or anybody else into the thread.

[tiktok]

Alright patsh, I'll do my best. :rolleyes:

When you boo the team, you're letting the team and the management know that you're not happy, they all hear it heading into the dressing room where they thrash out the game, see where mistakes were made (point the fingers where needs be) and deal with the reaction from the fans as a group.

When you boo a player off as he's being substituted, you're kicking him when he's already down (if he's been subbed as he's playing badly) and he has to sit through the rest of that game without being able to answer it. My main problem with it is that it's attacking a player's confidence, I've yet to see a situation where CCFC fan's ill treatment of a player has made him a more productive member of the squad. I don't like the bully-boy aspect of it, nor do I like the fact that it's booing a member of a squad still playing the game on the field. I don't consider it supporting the team for the ninety minutes.

Don't really care if you (or anyone else) agrees or not, I see a distinct difference there.

[ConfusedBlue]

reason he probaly played well with waterford is cos short term contract, he was putting himself in the shop window.
Exactly!!!!Finally a L A N G E R with some brains!!And do you know what I actually feel sorry for ye.It must be disheartening to see that Judas collecting a large amount of yere hard earned money each week and getting little or no return for it!!!!!!! :confused:

[thecorner]

no return for it!!!!!!! :confused:

im thinking u must have been there last week

[patsh]

Alright patsh, I'll do my best. :rolleyes:

When you boo the team, you're letting the team and the management know that you're not happy, they all hear it heading into the dressing room where they thrash out the game, see where mistakes were made (point the fingers where needs be) and deal with the reaction from the fans as a group.

When you boo a player off as he's being substituted, you're kicking him when he's already down (if he's been subbed as he's playing badly) and he has to sit through the rest of that game without being able to answer it. My main problem with it is that it's attacking a player's confidence, I've yet to see a situation where CCFC fan's ill treatment of a player has made him a more productive member of the squad. I don't like the bully-boy aspect of it, nor do I like the fact that it's booing a member of a squad still playing the game on the field. I don't consider it supporting the team for the ninety minutes.

Don't really care if you (or anyone else) agrees or not, I see a distinct difference there.
And by booing a player, are you suggesting that you are not "letting the player, team and management know you are not happy"?
Booing a team is not "attacking player's confidence" ?
Jesuitical in the extreme, tiktok... :(
I didn't boo Fenn, I didn't boo the team and have never done so to a player or a team. However, I did express my frustration at Fenn's ongoing lack of effort. I have also said that I want the guy to knuckle down, work har and become a star for City, which he is well capable of doing.

Have we had enough of splitting hairs?

[A face]

Jesuitical in the extreme, tiktok... :(

Nah .... i say not ... i totally agree with him on this one ... there is a distinct difference or more to the point ... impact !! The team can shared it .... one player ... it is direct but it is in no way helpful at all. Never has been.

(For the record, i dont boo anyway, as a rule ... i never boo a player or team, end of ... it doesn't work)

[Gary]

To be fair lads, ye are going around in circles. Obviously there are 2 views, and i spose both are valid.

Heres hoping that Fenn repays the confidence that has been put into him by some recently, starting with a goal against Jeremiah McDonnehys SPA on Friday night!

[jmc105]

as far as i'm concerned booing a team or abusing a player is selfish. the only positive result is that it makes an angry "supporter" feel better - but it can only have a negative impact on the team. by all accounts the abuse of fenn in waterford by his own "supporters" was an embarassment to cork city fc.
the guy hasn't been here long, hasn't settled in yet, has been carrying a leg injury and has still scored 3 goals. if he's not working hard enough there are plenty of people on the team to let him know, not to mention pat dolan.
i personally hate the negativity brought to the cross by the minority of supporters who feel they must scream and roar at every mistake. last year they were on georgie's back, now it's fenn. club and fans alike would be better off without "supporters" like that.

[thecorner]

last year they were on georgie's back, now it's fenn. club and fans alike would be better off without "supporters" like that. supportes like what...we have a right to voice our opinion and there is a reason for fenn
]has been carrying a leg injury we havent been told this
but it can only have a negative impact on the team.
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i wouldnt agree with that. remember when they got booed against drogs at the end of the game, seem have to seen only positive things since then

maybe fenn will see this as a point to prove to us

[jimmity]

but would you play him up front wit jof or play doyle up with him.doyler has done an awful lot more than fenn has done this season>????

[thecorner]

but would you play him up front wit jof or play doyle up with him.doyler has done an awful lot more than fenn has done this season>????


would that be very hard for doyler????????

[jmc105]

when i say "supporters" like that, i'm referring to the extremely vocal and extremely negative people, seemingly spread liberally around the ground (at least i can't seem to avoid them) who jump on every perceived error and then sceam "ah for **** sake georgie/fenn/billy cut out the fancy shyte/**** off back to waterford/you're a waste of space" etc. i remember the days of paul wimbleton, where players were either too scared or too poor to play the kind of skillful football on offer these days - it seems that some people miss the sight of long ball after long ball being hoofed up and down the pitch.

of course eveyone has a right to voice their opinion. but having the right to do something is not a justification in itself. how can anyone justify the abuse say georgie got last season (not that he doesn't still get a fair bit of it, just that fenn has distracted a few...).

there's not a player in the country who doesn't know when he's played poorly. supporters should encourage and support (shock, horror) their own players. jaysus, even diego forlan doesn't get the kind of abuse i've seen at the cross.....

fenn has been a fitness doubt for quite a few games recently, i think it's a strain (calf, thigh?), and has been taken off with 25 mins to go in most of those. maybe he will try to prove a point, but it's a negative kind of motivation. i'd personally prefer him to say: "i know i've not played well, but the fans have been great and i want to repay their faith in me." maybe i'm just old-fashioned...

[yan]

he certainly redeemed himself tonight

[Storysham]

Silenced the critics for 1 game alright.

[shinobi]

He definitely played well tonight but even watching tonight the match I think he`s slow rather than lazy. Btw i never boo. or cheer. Possibly because of an existentialist-nihilistic bent or probably cos I`m a cranky *******.

[Counting Crow]

Shinobi - I'd say you're a ball of laughs to go out with for a few pints ;) :D

"Don't boo or cheer" and you've a what "bent"?????????

I've a pain in the head just reading it.

Are you Miles Crane in disguise????????? :D