Rule Changes

[noddy102]

FAI announce two major rule changes that will take effect this year.
http://www.airtricityleague.ie/index.php/component/content/article/2547/2547

I guess the one supporters will notice is the 7 subs allowed. I guess this is in line with European competitions and most European leagues. Personally I believe its a good thing but will some clubs struggle to fill the bench?

I always found it embarassing when clubs couldnt even fill a 5-man bench, why not promote your Ateam?

[Mr A]

It can happen on the day of a game.. somebody gets sick or whatever before travelling for an away match and its too late to get anyone else. Rarely a problem for home games.

Should not make too much of a difference really and may make it easier for younger players to get their chance.

[noddy102]

Should not make too much of a difference really and may make it easier for younger players to get their chance.

hopefully this is true. But wasnt it Paul Cook (correct me if im wrong) who only put 3 on the bench on 1 or 2 occasion a few years back as if to make a point to his club that he needed more funds? I thought this was a bad move. Unfair on A championship and u20 players. Hopefully it will blood more youngsters into the league

[peadar1987]

Clubs are struggling enough as it is without having to shell out extra for dugouts that are 40% wider. Another stupid and short-sighted move from the FAI! :)

[Schumi]

Clubs are struggling enough as it is without having to shell out extra for dugouts that are 40% wider. Another stupid and short-sighted move from the FAI! :)
You can sit the last two subs on the wall beside the dugout.

[TheBoss]

The FAI Cup games had 7 subs, so clubs have some experience of it.

[John83]

You can sit the last two subs on the wall beside the dugout.
Except in Bray. ;)

[redobit]

Would hope they are reviewing the number of yellow cards and the how/ when it affects suspensions.

[Magicme]

Except in Bray. ;)

Exactly what I was thinking!

I say make the kitman sit on a chair beside the dug out, bit of rain will do them no harm.

[Schumi]

Except in Bray. ;)Have a look at who wrote the post I was quoting.

[poster]

hopefully this is true. But wasnt it Paul Cook (correct me if im wrong) who only put 3 on the bench on 1 or 2 occasion a few years back as if to make a point to his club that he needed more funds?

That was Bohs away in '09. We only had four fit first team players. Brush, Cash (who played right-back), Ryan and one more I can't recall. We had three young lads on bench as three first teamers pulled out in warm up. Rovers couldn't register the other A team lads in time.

Although yes, we did have a tiny squad of first teamers back then.

[Lim till i die]

The FAI, dealing with the really important issues once again.

[The Lep]

Clubs are struggling enough as it is without having to shell out extra for dugouts that are 40% wider. Another stupid and short-sighted move from the FAI! :)

Not really, clubs wont have to name 7 subs if they dont want to.

[shantykelly]

The FAI, dealing with the really important issues once again.

imagine that, the fai getting on with the job of administering the league. life goes on whether we lurch from crisis to crisis or not.

[peadar1987]

Not really, clubs wont have to name 7 subs if they dont want to.

That's all very well for you to say when you can just get Gerry Gannon to buy you all the dugout space you want. This is going to really affect clubs like Bray. Not only are the capital expenses going to be prohibitive, it'll make that area of the pitch you can't see behind the dugout slightly wider!

[holidaysong]

The 7 subs thing is a good idea. When are we going to find out about the structure of the league in 2012 though, and how promotion and relegation is going to work this year?

[The Lep]

That's all very well for you to say when you can just get Gerry Gannon to buy you all the dugout space you want. This is going to really affect clubs like Bray. Not only are the capital expenses going to be prohibitive, it'll make that area of the pitch you can't see behind the dugout slightly wider!

You dont keep up do you :)

Bray doesnt have to name 7 subs if they dont want to. They dont have to extend any dugouts if they dont want to so calm down a bit ;)

[Lim till i die]

imagine that, the fai getting on with the job of administering the league. life goes on whether we lurch from crisis to crisis or not.

There will be dozens of games in the First Division this year where one or both teams wont be able to produce seven subs.

What's the point? You can only use three anyway.

[Nah Nah Nah Nah]

That was Bohs away in '09. We only had four fit first team players. Brush, Cash (who played right-back), Ryan and one more I can't recall. We had three young lads on bench as three first teamers pulled out in warm up. Rovers couldn't register the other A team lads in time.

Although yes, we did have a tiny squad of first teamers back then.

Pretty sure it happened us in the Carlisle Grounds a couple of years ago as well

[shantykelly]

There will be dozens of games in the First Division this year where one or both teams wont be able to produce seven subs.

What's the point? You can only use three anyway.

I refer you to post 17

[poster]

Pretty sure it happened us in the Carlisle Grounds a couple of years ago as well

The last game of '07?

We had a crap team out for a reason that day :party: :drool:

[Lim till i die]

I refer you to post 17

I just think it would be better to have the promotion and relegation sorted at this stage than to be messing around with widdle like the seven subs. I'm not strongly opposed to seven subs like.

[Sam_Heggy]

If only there was an Irish version


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7TRWoFu1EbI&feature=related

[pineapple stu]

I refer you to post 17
Sure let's make it a million subs then, why not.

As LTID said, what's the point in adding the two subs? Are we just changing the rules for the fun of it?

And for Lep, yeah, Bray can stay with five subs and not extend their dugouts, but what about the away dugout?

It all seems a bit needless is all.

[holidaysong]

What's the point? You can only use three anyway.

With five subs most teams will have a decent goalkeeper, defender, midfielder, winger and striker on the bench to cover their bases regarding injuries and tactical changes. With 7 subs, teams can stick two youngsters on the bench in addition to this, while still covering their bases regarding injuries. Then if they're comfortably winning the game with 20 minutes left they can give them a run out to gain much needed experience. With only 5 subs, managers would be less likely to take a gamble in naming two or even one inexperienced youngsters on the bench. It gives managers a way to introduce A team and u-20 players into the first team without having to significantly limit the options on your bench.

[pineapple stu]

How many teams really have that big a squad - taking injuries into account - that they can fill the bench with experienced players? And if they're not going to put one youngster in the 16, they may fill the 18 out with a full-back and a different type of mid (attacking/defensive).

I see your point, and maybe it's just the UCD factor (not having any experienced players at all), but I'm fairly meh about it.

[John83]

I remember being much happier with the seven-man bench in Spain for tactical reasons in Football Manager. :)

In practical terms, I doubt it matters much. I'd guess most of the negative sentiment above is just normal conservatism.

[pineapple stu]

I'd guess most of the negative sentiment above is just normal conservatism.
I think LTID has it right. The FAI are making a bit of a deal about bigging up the bench and they won't tell us what we have to do to stay up this year. Just makes no sense.

[John83]

I think LTID has it right. The FAI are making a bit of a deal about bigging up the bench and they won't tell us what we have to do to stay up this year. Just makes no sense.
A single sentence at the foot of an announcement on the league website mostly about a rule change involving taxation of players is "making a bit of a deal"? Give me a break.

[pineapple stu]

A bit of a deal, yeah. Are you saying a press release - which that article presumably was - isn't making a bit of a deal? Not a big deal, mind; just a bit of a deal. The negative sentiment - which should properly be termed apathy; like LTID, I'm not fussed about it; I just don't see the point really - isn't about conservatism as you say; it's about apathy with this while bigger issues need to be dealt with.

The tax issue is actually more interesting though. Presumably players have been reclaiming tax and then playing on in the past? It reads like a rule put in place to stop something currently happening from continuing.

[John83]

So something as insignificant as the number of substitutes should be announced how? In an unannounced display in the inaccessible, unlit cellar in Abbotstown, in the bottom of a locked filing cabinet stuck in a disused lavatory with a sign on the door saying 'Beware of the Leopard'?

[pineapple stu]

Perchance by a letter to the clubs?

[John83]

I'd love to see the reaction here to people turning up for the first game of the season to find that the FAI'd changed the number of subs without bothering to tell the fans.

[pineapple stu]

Anyone who'd complain about that should be instantly banned.

(And I acknowledge that that'd mean a fair few bannings)

[stann]

Clubs are struggling enough as it is without having to shell out extra for dugouts that are 40% wider. Another stupid and short-sighted move from the FAI! :)
Not really, clubs wont have to name 7 subs if they dont want to.

You did see the :) at the end of Peadar's post, didn't you?


You dont keep up do you...

Apparently not. :D
Look what you started now!

[poster]

Perchance by a letter to the clubs?

I'm quite sure the clubs were contacted by letter/e-mail form.

[pineapple stu]

I'd bloody hope so! But my point is that's plenty.

[poster]

But my point is that's plenty.

Nice of them to keep the fans up to date too.

[Dodge]

The FAI, dealing with the really important issues once again.

There's a fairly big issue there. It isn't the subs rubbish but the amateur players thing. Bohs were looking to sign at least 3 experienced heads on an amateur basis but won't be able to now.

[marinobohs]

I'd bloody hope so! But my point is that's plenty.


...... unless it was the same letter that notified clubs about the deal that prevented the proposed Limerick / Barca friendly going ahead :rolleyes:

[peadar1987]

You did see the :) at the end of Peadar's post, didn't you?



Apparently not. :D
Look what you started now!

It was a :) of rage. It was to show just how serious I was!

[pineapple stu]

I blame these stupid smileys. They all look the same.

Where's that Carp smilies thread gone?

[SwanVsDalton]

Where's that Carp smilies thread gone?

:confused:

http://www.crappie.com/crappie/attachments/carp-fishing/21047d1222995657-id-carp-sunrise-pier-carp.jpg

[pineapple stu]

http://foot.ie/threads/132609-Carp-smilies.