Well done FF!

[dahamsta]

"rites Celia Larkin"

I realise it's just a technical error, but you gotta love it.

[Kingdom]

Micheal Martin - seriously!!!!!!!:eek:
And there were good nazi,s too, also not all priests are paedos!!!;)

I've spent a week looking at this post and still don't know what to say.

Michael Martin is the person many in FF are hoping takes the reins. The description of him that I outlined above is what is being peddled about.
As for O'Cuiv, I don't think he is realisticly a leader but there are those who believe that.

The second part of your post is nonsense.

[Charlie Darwin]

It's comforting to know that there were good Nazis. Here was me thinking they were all bad news!

[dahamsta]

Enough, he has point, he just doesn't express himself very intelligently. bennocelt, seriously, get your head out of the redtops, read something written by someone with talent. You may need to read something from abroad to achieve this though.

Back on topic please.

[bennocelt]

So someone writes that M Martin would be a viable future leader of FF, and I am the one who is writing rubbish! LOL
I do equate FF with the Nazi's thats how much I hate them and what I think of them, and would express it as so when ever I come into contact with a FFer (which is thankfully rare)

[dahamsta]

So someone writes that M Martin would be a viable future leader of FF, and I am the one who is writing rubbish!

Well, yes, and your use of the word "LOL" as the first word of your next sentence proves that. Seriously, who would you propose as a viable leader of FF? Also seriously, grow up if you want to continue posting in CA. This isn't primary school.

[bennocelt]

Well, yes, and your use of the word "LOL" as the first word of your next sentence proves that. Seriously, who would you propose as a viable leader of FF? Also seriously, grow up if you want to continue posting in CA. This isn't primary school.

Sorry, didnt know I had to have a doctorate to post on foot.ie:rolleyes:

[dahamsta]

You don't have to have a doctorate to post in Current Affairs, but you do have to sound more intelligent than a 12 year old. If you don't like it, post somewhere else. If it continues, you won't be able to post here any more. Am I making myself fairly clear?

[bennocelt]

You don't have to have a doctorate to post in Current Affairs, but you do have to sound more intelligent than a 12 year old. If you don't like it, post somewhere else. If it continues, you won't be able to post here any more. Am I making myself fairly clear?

I'm not the one with the petty insults though, or the threats

[dahamsta]

Suspended 1 week from CA for just plain wasting my time. Now can we get back on topic?

[Mr A]

Dermot Ahern is to step down at next election. http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/2010/1130/breaking12.html

Never liked him, always came across as a blustering bully of little real substance.

[Eminence Grise]

He says has been suffering from an unspecified painful medical condition that necessitates a change of pace. I reckon the kicking he'd receive from the electorate would be painful, alright.

http://www.rte.ie/news/2010/1130/ahernd.html

One down, seventy-odd (mostly very odd) to go...

(There's an opening as Justice Minister now Dahamsta: would you take it on for the "benno-fit" of all of us?)

[Real ale Madrid]

Id like to see Mary Hanafin or maybe Batt O'Keeffe get the post after Cowan, then you would open up the very real possibility of the party decimating over the next 5 years, and becoming consigned to history. If someone like Micheal Martin gets it then they could recover. If you look down through the list of TD's they have - there are very few charismatic leaders they can call upon to lead them during what is bound to be the most difficult in the party's history. Maybe the localised politics which has seen them thrive in the past 15 years is going to be the sword upon which they fall now.

[dahamsta]

Dermot Ahern is to step down at next election. http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/2010/1130/breaking12.html

Never liked him, always came across as a blustering bully of little real substance.

Can't agree with that, or at least the latter part of it. I wouldn't be mad about any FF TD, but whatever about his methods, you can't argue that he got things done. In particular in my awareness, because I was with IrelandOffline at the time, he implemented FRIACO and the National Broadband Plan (admittedly failed, but not because of Ahern), which got Ireland where it is today in the Internet rankings. That would be close to the bottom of course, but I think without Ahern we would actually be below the Democratic Republic of the Congo. He's also responsible for the (admittedly watered-down) Civil Partnership Bill.

Of course he also proposed and implemented Blasphemy, so he's far from perfect. But he does actually show some competence. For a Fianna Failure. Credit where's it's due like.


Id like to see Mary Hanafin or maybe Batt O'Keeffe get the post after Cowan, then you would open up the very real possibility of the party decimating over the next 5 years

I'd like to see every Cork man and woman give O'Keeffe a funt up the hole; just to disassociate ourselves from him, you understand. The man is an incompetent, asslicking, populist knacker.

[Macy]

He's also responsible for the (admittedly watered-down) Civil Partnership Bill.
It's not actually in effect yet, and has a load of right wing crap tagged on to it! Very watered down for same sex couples, but what could you expect from someone who spoke so forcefully against the decriminalisation of homosexuality in the dail? Good feckin riddance.

[dahamsta]

It's progress Macy, in the same way flat-rate internet was. Crap progress, but progress nonetheless. Unfortunately that's the nature of politics, progress is incremental. Generally speaking progress that isn't incremental is even worse -- badly written bills with loopholes galore.

I'm not applauding the guy here, I just don't think it's fair to write him off with the same vehemence you'd write off some FFers.

[Mr A]

He says has been suffering from an unspecified painful medical condition that necessitates a change of pace.

Indeed. Having your head up your arse is presumably both painful and slows one down.

dahamsta- fair enough points but I'll never forgive him for the blasphemy thing. That was just mental.

[Eminence Grise]

Indeed. Having your head up your arse is presumably both painful and slows one down.

Rheumatoid Arse-ritis?

[Spudulika]

Ahern figured he'd get the top job in FF once his namesake was chased out. He figures Michael Martin is a shoo in next time, so he's not waiting. Not a nice man, in any dealings I had with him he was not pleasant - anyone in Dundalk who knows about the development on the Armagh Road (along the river - playing fields etc) will know too well. Adams will get a big vote in Dundalk, get elected and the FF'ers will go mental.

[Billsthoughts]

Look up his comments during homosexualty decriminalisation bill.guy is a sick homophobe.good riddance.

[shantykelly]

I'd like to see Mary Coughlan get the job, if only to put the final bullet in the party's head.

[BonnieShels]

As long as there's a possibility of them getting 1 seat there's a possibility of them regrouping. The only thing that I can see happening that could spell the end of FF would be for the leader not winning a seat. That would be lights out and then whoever does win a seat would now doubt be a potential leader. Mattie McGrath anyone?

[BonnieShels]

Mary Coughlan: ...although people have forgotten that we did take massive reductions in ministerial pay, as did the Taoiseach last year...

Jesus wept.

[The Fly]

The topic on the 'Frontline' right now is - "What will become of Fianna Fail?"

[Eminence Grise]

Oh Dear God! We’ve just had a reminder of what some of FF’s 13 per centers look like when they’re let out in public.

They spout party mantras like a Moonie convention. One woman said she couldn’t vote for the Blueshirts. I use the word to get an occasional rise out of my students, but it positively dripped with venom when she said it. In fairness, the same woman said she wanted a coalition of the left in the next government (not just Labour/SF, mark you, but all the dippy do-lallies out there on the lunatic fringe as well), so she may not have been entirely compos mentis....

Nauseating harping on about the good old days under Devil Eire and Lemass – whatever about the latter’s eventual conversion to modernity and economic development, Dev bequeathed us a parochial, morally bankrupt political party with an overweening sense of entitlement to public office. Oh, and Brian Cowen is a hardworking, honest man. It makes a refreshing change in FF, I suppose, but when the minimum expectations of a public office holder are trotted out as his best attributes, I really despair.

Meanwhile, Michael Martin came across all “statesmanlike” and as “humble” as an FFer can be... His bid for the leadership started rolling tonight. He had to come out after Hanafin threw her hat in the ring, and his performance was, I reckon, all about him rather than defending the party....

[Charlie Darwin]

One woman said she couldn’t vote for the Blueshirts. I use the word to get an occasional rise out of my students, but it positively dripped with venom when she said it.
Did it? I thought she was laughing when she said it, but she also did seem stupid enough to actually mean it.

[BonnieShels]

Oh Dear God! We’ve just had a reminder of what some of FF’s 13 per centers look like when they’re let out in public.

They spout party mantras like a Moonie convention. One woman said she couldn’t vote for the Blueshirts. I use the word to get an occasional rise out of my students, but it positively dripped with venom when she said it. In fairness, the same woman said she wanted a coalition of the left in the next government (not just Labour/SF, mark you, but all the dippy do-lallies out there on the lunatic fringe as well), so she may not have been entirely compos mentis....

Nauseating harping on about the good old days under Devil Eire and Lemass – whatever about the latter’s eventual conversion to modernity and economic development, Dev bequeathed us a parochial, morally bankrupt political party with an overweening sense of entitlement to public office. Oh, and Brian Cowen is a hardworking, honest man. It makes a refreshing change in FF, I suppose, but when the minimum expectations of a public office holder are trotted out as his best attributes, I really despair.

Meanwhile, Michael Martin came across all “statesmanlike” and as “humble” as an FFer can be... His bid for the leadership started rolling tonight. He had to come out after Hanafin threw her hat in the ring, and his performance was, I reckon, all about him rather than defending the party....

100% correct. I lasted approx 30 seconds of the love-in. Can't stomach it ever. VB debating the social consequences of our "bail out" deal was more my thang.
I will now proceed to bed and seeth and despair at some of my fellow countrymen. We really are a laughing stock of a country.

[OneRedArmy]

Our attachment to political history is touching.

And by touching, I mean in the "slow kid on the bus" kind of way.

The country has been bankrupted and some people still manage to think that an irrelevance from 80 odd years ago is a more important determinant of how to vote.

[Spudulika]

I came home last night and sat watching Prime Time Investigates and then the Frontline, and VB when I couldn't sleep early this morning. My god, I nearly dropped my kebab when that troglodyte from Kilkenny said about Blueshirts,, before saying she'd like to see a coalition of the left, but that she would probably still vote for FF in the end. It's what I've posted before, FF will stay in power because of the gombeen element in Ireland. It's not just down the country, Dublin have returned the two Lenihans time and again and it won't be changing. It's just sick, totally sick, and Martin will go for the leadership, as will Lenihan lite.

[BonnieShels]

It hurts Spud it hurts.
Bleh.

[BonnieShels]

After watching Noonan gut Lenihan tonight I hope that this truly is the end...

[Spudulika]

Lenihan got a tougher time of it than his last outing on PT, he was asked to answer questions and he didn't like it. I've always maintained the man is unable to engage on a normal level, he's not a politician and his speech today was destroyed by Noonan tonight. Though he's lucky the man from Limerick was out on his feet!

[BonnieShels]

Biffo came out fighting today. Must mean the end is nigh. Lenihans would be mad to attempt to oust him. Mickey Martin must be rubbing his hands at the prospect.