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McGuinness needs to get off his high horse, just seen the full interview TV3 did with him yesterday and hes going on about no clubs here will offer full time contracts to any of "his" members. The truth of the matter is the clubs are offering contracts but alot of the players see themselves valued as twice what the contract is.
Whats the problem? McGuinness is looking for the best deals for the players. Its not like he's organising a lock out. he's aying they should be getting more. Clubs disagree. Seems a normal negotiating tactic.
Dillonman
11/01/2011, 12:19 PM
Whats the problem? McGuinness is looking for the best deals for the players. Its not like he's organising a lock out. he's aying they should be getting more. Clubs disagree. Seems a normal negotiating tactic.
Alot of demands atm are similar to that of 3 or 4 years ago and no club can afford them. McGuinness has been hinting constantly that none of his memebrs should be offered contracts bleow what they have been getting previously.
Dodge
11/01/2011, 12:25 PM
So? Thats his job.
its up to the clubs to stick to their budget.
Players will either accept the terms, or get nothing. its not McGuinness fault (or the players) if they want more
Spudulika
11/01/2011, 12:35 PM
A Union head has a responsibility to get the best deal for him members - they pay his wages after all. However some realism needs to kick so that no player ends up going the legal route to get monies owed to them. In this case it could be put that a comparable wage rate be set for players, though then you'd still have envelopes passed to players from "sponsors" etc, clubs will do what they can to get what they want, even if it means the long term destruction of what they proclaim to protect.
Martinho II
11/01/2011, 11:40 PM
No surprise its Barrett, he was overweight, lazy and of no benefit.
He should go after Alan Carey though.
I see Liam Kearney has found a club. (http://www.pitchero.com/clubs/dandenongthunder/news/kearney-joins-thunder-237426.html)
what did shane barrett do that was so wrong razor??
Boots9
12/01/2011, 8:29 PM
Karl Moore? Strange one, seeing as he signed for that Spanish team just last month.
He didn't sign for them, was just a trial.
what did shane barrett do that was so wrong razor??He did absolutely nothing of any benefit, looked overweight and unfit.
Waste of good money.
Martinho II
13/01/2011, 10:06 PM
He did absolutely nothing of any benefit, looked overweight and unfit.
Waste of good money.
he has never being the same player since he left us for drogheda utd.. If ye wont have him maybe we might take him? is he out of contract with ye?
passinginterest
14/01/2011, 9:36 AM
Lost 2-1 to Finland first game. Sean Kelly penalty equalised for Ireland after Kavanagh was fouled.
Dillonman
14/01/2011, 10:05 AM
Any idea on who played?
Dodge
14/01/2011, 10:12 AM
I'd say everyone did, seeing as its a showcase for them
D.24saint
14/01/2011, 10:15 AM
From Rte.ie
Ireland lost their semi-final match 2-1 against Finland this morning.
Former Limerick player Sean Kelly scored the goal for the Irish selection from the penalty spot after Daryl Kavanagh was fouled.
The Irish team, selected from a number of applications to the Professional Footballers' Association of Ireland, will face the loser of the game between Sweden and Norway later today.
The players are hoping to impress scouts and managers that are attending the event in Oslo.
The team is managed by Liam Kelly.
The number of full-time football clubs in Ireland has decreased rapidly in the last two years, leaving several players out of work ahead of the new League of Ireland season.
Dillonman
14/01/2011, 10:20 AM
I'd say everyone did, seeing as its a showcase for them
Aye but who started, who came on as subs etc etc. Are the games only half games? Thought I read that in the paper during the week.
passinginterest
14/01/2011, 10:43 AM
Games are 30 mins a side. Ireland will play Sweden in 3rd/4th place play off.
Haven't seen any starting line up
razor
14/01/2011, 10:43 AM
he has never being the same player since he left us for drogheda utd.. If ye wont have him maybe we might take him? is he out of contract with ye?I believe so yes.
Dodge
14/01/2011, 10:45 AM
30 minutes per half. No idea about the details though
nigel-harps1954
14/01/2011, 8:31 PM
"In the bronze final, Ireland beat Sweden:1-0. Former Shelbourne forward Mark Leech scored the only goal for Team PFAI."
From www.fifpro.org
This is the only info given.
bluewhitearmy
14/01/2011, 8:36 PM
Wonder why not have full games half hour doesn't give much time to judge a player.
Spudulika
15/01/2011, 7:00 AM
Wonder why not have full games half hour doesn't give much time to judge a player.
Because it's not a way to judge players. Any players who are of interest will already have been scouted, this is merely an object in window dressing, to pretend something is happening. While I admire some of the work being done by the PFAI, there were a number of barefaced lies told by the head man back in December. I can pick up on 3 of them, though one is so glaring as to merit mention. He claimed that they were in discussions with the Russian Players Union (their counterparts in Russia) about a future match etc. However while the media in Ireland nodded like happy dogs and regurgitated it ad nauseum, one small fact had to be pointed out, Russia doesn't have a players union! Plus, it is almost impossible for a LOI player to get a contract in Russia due to restrictions on foreign players and salaries. He knew this but still spun it to make their efforts more important.
I sincerely hope some players will be picked up from this, though if it were more than 2 I'd be very surprised. And it'd be interesting to know if those players were not already going up for training.
Dodge
15/01/2011, 10:52 AM
It was organised by FIFPro, not the PFAI. They were merely invited.
tippex
15/01/2011, 12:23 PM
Because it's not a way to judge players. Any players who are of interest will already have been scouted, this is merely an object in window dressing, to pretend something is happening. While I admire some of the work being done by the PFAI, there were a number of barefaced lies told by the head man back in December. I can pick up on 3 of them, though one is so glaring as to merit mention. He claimed that they were in discussions with the Russian Players Union (their counterparts in Russia) about a future match etc. However while the media in Ireland nodded like happy dogs and regurgitated it ad nauseum, one small fact had to be pointed out, Russia doesn't have a players union! Plus, it is almost impossible for a LOI player to get a contract in Russia due to restrictions on foreign players and salaries. He knew this but still spun it to make their efforts more important.
I sincerely hope some players will be picked up from this, though if it were more than 2 I'd be very surprised. And it'd be interesting to know if those players were not already going up for training.
not a fan of mcguinneses.
However I do want to correct you on some of your statements Specifically if you go to the fifpro website and click members and the map of russia you will see details of "union of football players and coaches" with a web address of www.psft.ru (http://www.psft.ru/) (http://www.psft.ru/eng/eng_index.html). So your statement of "Russia doesn't have a players union!" is incorrect.
bluewhitearmy
15/01/2011, 1:33 PM
Saw in a paper today Stu Byrne saying he was not going to change his mind about retiring if thats the case why bother taking someone elses place to go and play in this.
Saw in a paper today Stu Byrne saying he was not going to change his mind about retiring if thats the case why bother taking someone elses place to go and play in this.
You're assuming there was someone else who wanted to go on it
Byrne was asked to go to help the other players.
You're assuming there was someone else who wanted to go on it
Byrne was asked to go to help the other players.
I should say I agree.
You can not blame Byrne for going on the trip, you would have to look at the management. This is about players who want to get a contract with a club then only player who wanted that should have been invited. So a member of the union has lost a chance to get a contract.
I wnder on what basis the players were selected? Best 17 (+ Byrne) on PFAI list? Volunteers?
Not a real big issue for me because most of them are terrible even by LOI standards so don't think they'll get full time offers anyway.
bluewhitearmy
15/01/2011, 3:33 PM
You're assuming there was someone else who wanted to go on it
Byrne was asked to go to help the other players.
I know there was from talking to lads who did the pfai training camp and 2 lads that went over to it.
Spudulika
15/01/2011, 10:16 PM
not a fan of mcguinneses.
However I do want to correct you on some of your statements Specifically if you go to the fifpro website and click members and the map of russia you will see details of "union of football players and coaches" with a web address of www.psft.ru (http://www.psft.ru/) (http://www.psft.ru/eng/eng_index.html). So your statement of "Russia doesn't have a players union!" is incorrect.
Tippex, I can assure you, it's not in operation here. And what's more, there has been no contact from the PFAI, or any discussion about camps/matches. I can't divulge where he came up with his statement from, but I can 100% assure you it's nothing more than pushing out an idea before they have any solid ground, or even a 1% chance of it happening. As I said, none of the players in the FIFpro "camp" from Ireland would be Division 1 level in Russia, hence the Russians would never bring it about, again this is from facts on the ground. The Russian Union has been proposed but has not been ratified or recognised by the RFS (Russian Football Federation). One of the candidates in last years Presidential election had it as part of his platform, however when Fursenko was anointed before the 2nd round of voting, it was put on the backburner.
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