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legendz
29/11/2010, 4:21 PM
The play-offs work well in Division One. All the top 6 were battling for something during the last few weeks. As I say, I accept the arguments of all against the idea but I still don't agree.
The one play-off I don't agree with however was Galway playing Bray this year. It doesn't quite work for relegation. Should be 9th Prem vs 2nd Div. 1 or include 3rd and 4th as well.
legendz
17/12/2010, 12:46 PM
Clubs from countries with a lower ranking than Ireland made the Europa League group stage this year, Debrecen from Hungary (35th) and Sheriff Tiraspol from Moldova (37th). The 2010/11 access list had Ireland 30th.
With a bit of luck, if the two Rovers keep going as they are, hopefully one, if not two, of them can make the breakthrough next season.
poster
17/12/2010, 12:48 PM
if the two Rovers keep going as they are, hopefully one, if not two, of them can make the breakthrough next season.
Define 'breakthrough' legendz.
legendz
17/12/2010, 1:04 PM
Define 'breakthrough' legendz.
Yeah, no bother. I'd define it as a LoI club making the group stages of the EL or CL for the first time.
Kingdom
17/12/2010, 5:26 PM
Clubs from countries with a lower ranking than Ireland made the Europa League group stage this year, Debrecen from Hungary (35th) and Sheriff Tiraspol from Moldova (37th). The 2010/11 access list had Ireland 30th.
With a bit of luck, if the two Rovers keep going as they are, hopefully one, if not two, of them can make the breakthrough next season.
Both are bankrolled to a heavy extent though I think eh?
poster
17/12/2010, 6:14 PM
Yeah, no bother. I'd define it as a LoI club making the group stages of the EL or CL for the first time.
Dunno about Shams, but we won't be strong enough to challenge for a group stage place. Unless we get a very very few lucky draws.
legendz
17/12/2010, 6:50 PM
Fair point by Kingdom.
Are TNS better than either of the Rovers? When TNS got by Boh's, after a defeat to Anderlecht they still got to the Europa League play-offs. It could be green tinted glasses on my behalf but I think either of the Rovers would've given CSKA Sofia a better game. Qualification for these stages does seem a long way off for the league but I wouldn't write it off entirely, with a bit of luck.
The Lep
17/12/2010, 7:04 PM
Just hope Rovers dont drawn against Bangor city. They have won every league game so far this season and look better than what Tns were .
legendz
17/12/2010, 7:16 PM
They've a big lead alright. It'll be interesting to see how the Welsh get on with the split.
BonnieShels
17/12/2010, 9:23 PM
They've a big lead alright. It'll be interesting to see how the Welsh get on with the split.
It won't be. They'll get on just as well as ourselves and Scotland have.
legendz
18/12/2010, 9:04 AM
I'm sure they will get on with it. They have this Europa League play-off. I'm interested to see when it's put into practice, does it work and is it enough of an incentive for the top team on the bottom group after the split to go for.
EivissaPaul
18/12/2010, 12:55 PM
Juventus V Shamrock Rovers in Modena (300km away from Turin) Att: 17,579!! Juventus V Man City in Turin Att: 6,992!! Not suggesting there was thousands of Shamrock Rovers fans but interesting that nearly 11,000 more people turned out for the Shamrock Rovers game than Man City..
BonnieShels
18/12/2010, 12:59 PM
It rewards failure. Incentive alludes to those clubs not trying hard enough and that the FAW should sweeten the deal for them.
In fact now that I think about it, its a great idea rewarding failure is one of the great Irish pastimes.
BonnieShels
18/12/2010, 1:55 PM
Juventus V Shamrock Rovers in Modena (300km away from Turin) Att: 17,579!! Juventus V Man City in Turin Att: 6,992!! Not suggesting there was thousands of Shamrock Rovers fans but interesting that nearly 11,000 more people turned out for the Shamrock Rovers game than Man City..
I'd say it has more to do with the fact that when they were playing Rovers there was more at stake. They were out of the EL when they came to play City. Interesting statistic nonetheless.
legendz
18/12/2010, 2:50 PM
It's a bit unfair on Europa League clubs, that 8 failed Champions League clubs get to drop in after the group stage.
bluemovie
18/12/2010, 3:50 PM
It's a terrible tournament from the point of view of clubs from 'big' leagues. Maybe the LoI section isn't the place for this, but for the likes of Man City and Liverpool for example, it's really not worth winning. Liverpool have had to play 10 games already to reach the last 32 and would have to play 9 more to win it and then there's no great reward - a place in the Super Cup. I think the winner should get a place in the next year's Champions League. That would make it more competitive. As it stands, the big clubs don't take it seriously enough, put out reserve sides and so the financial benefits aren't as good for their opponents due to decreased attendances and interest levels. While it would be brilliant if an Irish team made the group stages, there wouldn't be as much interest if their group was CSKA Sofia, Standard Liege and Fiorentina's reserves. (Now that I look at that, they'd be great away trips for fans!!) It wouldn't whet the appetite of the media or random punters enough to make the fortune that the club would deserve.
legendz
18/12/2010, 4:43 PM
European places aren't to be scoffed at. A few years ago a lot of so-called big clubs, including Barcelona, entered the Intertoto Cup to get into Europe.
Boots9
18/12/2010, 6:01 PM
Juventus V Shamrock Rovers in Modena (300km away from Turin) Att: 17,579!! Juventus V Man City in Turin Att: 6,992!! Not suggesting there was thousands of Shamrock Rovers fans but interesting that nearly 11,000 more people turned out for the Shamrock Rovers game than Man City..
That's apparentley normal for Juventus. They usually get bigger crowds when they play matches outside of Turin, than they would when playing in Turin.
pineapple stu
20/12/2010, 9:11 AM
Yeah; loads of fans around the country but maybe not that popular in their home town? So the Rovers game was also a chance for the Modena-based Juve fans to see "their" team. I think they had massive away support during the Serie B campaign in particular for the same reason.
European places aren't to be scoffed at. A few years ago a lot of so-called big clubs, including Barcelona, entered the Intertoto Cup to get into Europe.
No they didn't.
Another note on Juve v Rovers, Rovesr were the only team that Juventus actually beat in Europe this year. The shame of it...
legendz
20/12/2010, 9:47 AM
No they didn't.
Another note on Juve v Rovers, Rovesr were the only team that Juventus actually beat in Europe this year. The shame of it...
Ok, they must have snuck into the UEFA Cup that season. They were worried towards the end of the '02-'03 season and did apply for the safety net of the Inter-toto Cup.
http://www.uefa.com/memberassociations/news/newsid=66595.html
Charlie Darwin
20/12/2010, 3:46 PM
No they didn't.
Another note on Juve v Rovers, Rovesr were the only team that Juventus actually beat in Europe this year. The shame of it...
O'Neill out.
BonnieShels
21/12/2010, 4:51 PM
Its funny reading stuff from that far back. Hard to believe that that season happened when you look at them now.
DaveyCakes
10/02/2011, 7:25 PM
So Pats will take Fingal's place. Unless of course they take Bohs' place...in which case Dundalk will take Fingal's. Is that right?
No, Pats will take Fingal`s place, thats already a given.
Bohs may yet still play in Europe, however if they fail to get a PD licence, we will take their spot, also they may pull out themsevles (I doubt it through) or the FAI may not nominate them. Hard to know, but we are ready to go in any event.
The 100k spent on upgrading the ground last year is looking like a really smart investment now, if we dont get to play in europe this season, we`ll have a very good chance in 2012 .
DaveyCakes
10/02/2011, 9:05 PM
No. Dundalk will take Fingal's place in the first qualifying round IF Pat's take Bohs' place in the second qualifying round.
Ezeikial
11/02/2011, 12:11 AM
No. Dundalk will take Fingal's place in the first qualifying round IF Pat's take Bohs' place in the second qualifying round.
The first round is the place to be - increases your chances of more participation money pay-outs.
Pats may have gone from hoping Bohs were denied a Euro spot to praying that they now get it!
Charlie Darwin
11/02/2011, 12:26 AM
Is the cumulative payment not the same no matter what round you start in (e.g. getting knocked out in the third round nets you the same amount no matter what stage you enter at)? Home gates could be a boon (especially for a well-supported club like Dundalk) but would probably be offset by travel costs to fulfill the away fixture?
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