The Bloostained Poppy!

[Lim till i die]

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"Bloostained." :D

Quite a large stink going on over this. (the sentiment, not the awful spelling.)

Personally I don't know who's worse, those Green Brigade mongs or Celtics hypocrite board.

Either way pretty poor show all round. :good:

[bennocelt]

To be fair, it does seem a bit strange that there woud be a poppy on a celtic shirt

[tetsujin1979]

The same crowd issued a statement that they were not in favour of Celtic wearing the poppy on the the jersey last season. Celtic countered with an official statement that they would wear the poppy in remembrance of former players that lost their lives in service of their country

[Jofspring]

The fans have been banned supposedly.

[ArdeeBhoy]

See main 'the poppy' thread in current affairs, can this thread be moved across to that one??

[Dodge]

See main 'the poppy' thread in current affairs, can this thread be moved across to that one??

Don't see why it has to be.

Fairly ridiculous of the Celtic board to ban fans for having a protest (and I couldn't care less about the poppy)

[ArdeeBhoy]

More to do with duplication of content. And that this was a political protest, so nothing to do with, er, football.
Though sometimes on here, you can't mention them both in the same context!

And agreed about a ban which is probably unenforceable ultimately. And the nature of their protest. A Muslim pal contacted me to say how impressed he was.

[Sean South]

Either way pretty poor show all round.
You say yourself you know nothing about GB so in turn you know FA about the mindset of Celtics hardcore support. Yes of course you will get the media jumping on this along with mock outrage on the internet but the Celtic Supporters' Association and Trust all support GB. No one will be banned. Anyway I don't think anyone here is from Glasgow so no one is in a position to criticize them for protesting something they believe in.

[Dodge]

People can criticize them all they like. never have an opinion on anything outsode of Sligo?

In this instance I'd back them 100% but thats not the point

[Sean South]

People can criticize them all they like. never have an opinion on anything outsode of Sligo?

In this instance I'd back them 100% but thats not the point
Maybe critcize isn't the best wording. I should have said it's no ones business but their own. If Rovers supporters were protesting about a decision made by our board yeah people could criticize us who aren't connected to our club but their opinions wouldn't matter. The whole thing is a storm in a tea cup it made bigger headlines then a rapist on the loose.

[Lim till i die]

no one is in a position to criticize them for protesting something they believe in.

Errmmm.... They went through all that trouble and then spelt the banner ar$eways was the main thrust of my argument there.

I could have went into the rank hypocrisy at the heart of so much of Celtic football club, be it in the stands or at boardroom level, but meh, really I was just on about the shoddy spelling :good:

[Magicme]

I like poppies. It's my sisters nickname too and am sure many Scottish died fighting under britains flag down the years so don't see why one of the biggest clubs in Scotland shouldn't support the rememberance tradition.

[Junior]

Ah but you'll notice the club was supporting the poppy appeal. That was the whole point of the protest? whoosssshh

[Magicme]

Yeah but cant see why fans would have a problem with their club supporting it.

[bennocelt]

I like poppies. It's my sisters nickname too and am sure many Scottish died fighting under britains flag down the years so don't see why one of the biggest clubs in Scotland shouldn't support the rememberance tradition.

Despite the fact that this is a club that always goes on and on about its Irish heritage - doh:rolleyes:

[Magicme]

Well Irish died too. Maybe its my formative years in Canada but I really dont hold much sympathy for this kinda tripe.

[Charlie Darwin]

Errmmm.... They went through all that trouble and then spelt the banner ar$eways was the main thrust of my argument there.

I could have went into the rank hypocrisy at the heart of so much of Celtic football club, be it in the stands or at boardroom level, but meh, really I was just on about the shoddy spelling :good:
If they can't even spell their own club's name right, you can hardly expect them to get a "complicated" one like bloodstained right.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_BPBojSYFPDw/RvdrXftLEbI/AAAAAAAAAns/pJnlK120XPc/s400/Celtcs+Feeder+Club+banner.jpg

I think it's fairly clear from the club's reaction that don't think losing the Green Brigade would be any major loss. I don't really care either way because I have no strong affiliation with Celtic, but I do find it funny when those of Irish extraction in other countries take up such militant positions in relation to Irish politics.

[Poor Student]

I'm not putting forward my views but I believe the angle they're coming is that their main objection has to do with money raised going towards soldiers who served in Northern Ireland during the troubles rather than not supporting the sacrifice of soldiers who died in WW2.

[Magicme]

Well that is a slightly different slant alright but still those soldiers were sent there as their jobs and suffered horribly too. Hate it being called "the troubles" as it undermines the severity of the situation btw.

[bennocelt]

Well Irish died too. Maybe its my formative years in Canada but I really dont hold much sympathy for this kinda tripe.

Tripe as in "I like poppies, its my sisters name too" - yeah great!!!! and its your bizarre reason for not seeing how a club founded by Irish immigrants might have a problem with poppies
Irish dying in British uniforms as well - great

Yeah and the IRA had "jobs" to do and suffered as well!!

War is war, killing is killing and the British are part of the disaster that is IRAQ

[Magicme]

I agree with you. War is pointless. But so is creating a fuss over a flower symbolising dead people. Just threw in the silliness coz its all silly in my opinion that they are arguing over it.

[ifk101]

Perhaps Celtic should have gone with the White Poppy as suggested in the other thread.

[Charlie Darwin]

Tripe as in "I like poppies, its my sisters name too" - yeah great!!!! and its your bizarre reason for not seeing how a club founded by Irish immigrants might have a problem with poppies
Irish dying in British uniforms as well - great

Yeah and the IRA had "jobs" to do and suffered as well!!

War is war, killing is killing and the British are part of the disaster that is IRAQ
The reason people get upset is because the poppy is not intended as a political symbol. Yes, there are people who hijack it on both sides for their own reasons, but for most people it's an opportunity to show their appreciation for the sacrifice of others for a cause they have little control of. I can appreciate people finding it distasteful but a bit of perspective from all sides would go a long way.

[geysir]

The Green Brigade protest is about the Celtic team having the poppy stitched onto the shirt for a game, not about the wearing of the poppy in general.
That protest banner was designed to provoke as distinct from just making a protest.
I doubt that the Celtic board did not expect this provocative GB protest. I'd also say the Board are quite content to to have a confrontation with the GB and ban them from the Park. The GB do go over the edge (unnecessarily so), but that apart I think they are force of nature.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aq2J146riTI

[ArdeeBhoy]

Aye, pretty much what yer man & Bc said.

As said up thread, look at the main-related thread in 'Current Affairs', where the majority seem to be against the current definition of what it represents.

[Neish]

I'm no supporter of any wars or the British establishment but

The poppy is about the soldiers and civilians who died during war time its not about supporting the establishment that sent the soldiers Yes there are a lot of these people who were cruel/evil people but most go cause they believe their doing the right thing or can't fin any other work. Typical of the thinking of the Irish Nationalist(or so to people who think they are Nationalist) Like blowing up a load of war veteran pensioners in Enniskillen in 1987 yeah that will help the cause


BTW Glasgow Celtic are a Scottish football team , yes they were founded by Irish men how many would consider. UD Salamanca to be Irish?

[bennocelt]

Point is its not about that, your wrong. It has been turned into supporting the troops and their current wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, the "heroes" fighting for "our" freedoms

[Charlie Darwin]

But those wars are massively unpopular. The poppy is overwhelmingly popular, or at least casually supported.

[bennocelt]

But those wars are massively unpopular. The poppy is overwhelmingly popular, or at least casually supported.

How so?

[Charlie Darwin]

Public opinion's been against Iraq almost the entire time and the majority of people in the UK think the war effort is having no effect or a negative effect in both. I can try and dig out some poll data for you but I would have thought it was just common knowledge.

[geysir]

People have varying opinion on the what the Poppy represents, that's how it should be, a personal tribute/memory.
But there are no dividing lines between past wars and present wars, even if the soldiers involved in present wars are primarily participating in wars of occupation involving mass civilian slaughter and for what? evident corporate gain?
Wearing the Poppy use to be a personal choice, possibly similar like the wearing of the Easter Lily or even the shamrock.
Currently there is a media campaign directed at football clubs as part of the pressure to have universal acceptance of the wearing of the Poppy. It is only natural that some Celtic fans will be hostile to the imposition of the poppy onto their club shirt. Is it not Poppy fascism, NOT to tolerate that some people will object to the wearing of the Poppy? The small number of people who object, have an argument. But the Celtic Board are saying we don't tolerate any peaceful protest against this decision and seek to ban those elements from our ground.
Why not say, - We have made a decision on the poppy, but we are a big club and some members have strong political objections, we accept that and move on?

[Charlie Darwin]

The club have obviously decided it's more important to be seen to support the poppy idea than to stand up for the ultras - or, more pointedly, to stand for radical republicanism.

[ArdeeBhoy]

More to do with the fact that, the tw*t, John Reid, is chairman at Celtic.
Pseudo-political gesturing by his 'regime', whilst being out of touch with many fans, though accept it may not be the majority.

[bennocelt]

Public opinion's been against Iraq almost the entire time and the majority of people in the UK think the war effort is having no effect or a negative effect in both. I can try and dig out some poll data for you but I would have thought it was just common knowledge.

Opinion polls don't mean anything, the people voted for the war criminal Tony Blair to have another term in office - that's the facts and the Iraq war wasnt even a big thing at all come election time. Thats how the Al Q boys and their like see it.
Many marched, many more voted for more of the same.
The Spanish people voted to kick their war mongers out of office, the British didnt.

[Lionel Ritchie]

moved to poppy thread

[Charlie Darwin]

Opinion polls don't mean anything, the people voted for the war criminal Tony Blair to have another term in office - that's the facts and the Iraq war wasnt even a big thing at all come election time. Thats how the Al Q boys and their like see it.
Many marched, many more voted for more of the same.
The Spanish people voted to kick their war mongers out of office, the British didnt.
The fact they didn't vote him out doesn't mean they don't oppose the war.

[bennocelt]

The fact they didn't vote him out doesn't mean they don't oppose the war.

But it gives him legitimacy, just like all the muppets who keep voting for FF in Ireland despite all the criticism.
Marching is a waste of time, like all people who march against hospital closures. Whatever little power we do have it is in the ballot box

[ArdeeBhoy]

Ironically, 'it's all about the economy, stupid' in most countries, which is why Spain are likely to vote out their Socialists at the next election and why the US originally elected Obama.
Foreign policy, especially when it's so retarded, is a factor but normally the economy takes precedence.

[Charlie Darwin]

But it gives him legitimacy, just like all the muppets who keep voting for FF in Ireland despite all the criticism.
Marching is a waste of time, like all people who march against hospital closures. Whatever little power we do have it is in the ballot box
It depends how important you think the issue is. People voted for Labour in the UK and FF in Ireland because the economy was doing well and voters tend not to want to upset the apple cart when the going is good. There will always be single-issue voters but even the US didn't vote out Bush despite the very palpable anger about the way the war had been conducted. There was also the perverse logic at play that "he got us into this mess so he should get us out" - I was in the US for the 2004 elections and it was a very common opinion.

[bennocelt]

Yeah I know all that but it does give Al Q, etc an excuse. I mean obviously the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan are not important to people, not enough to change their vote, but its one reason why a government can claim legitimacy and basically do what it wants

[Charlie Darwin]

Well we're sort of getting off the original point, which is that wearing a poppy is no more an expression of support for a war than voting to retain the party that started that war. People are capable of making the distinction between the people waging the war on those on the ground but it's something that critics of the poppy often miss.

[bennocelt]

Well we're sort of getting off the original point, which is that wearing a poppy is no more an expression of support for a war than voting to retain the party that started that war. People are capable of making the distinction between the people waging the war on those on the ground but it's something that critics of the poppy often miss.


The poppy represents the British service war dead. You know, the guys waging the war on foreign fields from Norn Iron right upto Iraq. What in that can you not understand? They are supporting the troops by wearing a poppy whether they intend it or not that's how it looks, and ignorance is no excuse really.

[ArdeeBhoy]

That's fair enough, but would give any troops who fought v.'greater' fascism', over even the colonialism endured by our forefathers for centuries, some begrudging respect.
However, as stated in the main poppy thread, that line in the sand has long since passed! And not sure why even the Brits in general should be forced to feel guilty collectively over all their pointless conflicts since.

[Charlie Darwin]

The poppy represents the British service war dead. You know, the guys waging the war on foreign fields from Norn Iron right upto Iraq. What in that can you not understand? They are supporting the troops by wearing a poppy whether they intend it or not that's how it looks, and ignorance is no excuse really.
I hope you look at this again and realise how stupid it sounds.

[bennocelt]

I hope you look at this again and realise how stupid it sounds.

No, different viewpoints = just look at the BBC or SKY tv its quite plain what the poppy is all about. Take off the blinkers
So the war in Iraq is nothing then to worry about for British people far away from the conflict, their "heroes" are doing a great job fighting for British freedom

[OwlsFan]

They wore the poppy afterall I see:

http://i.telegraph.co.uk/telegraph/multimedia/archive/01761/Hooper_1761557c.jpg

[Charlie Darwin]

No, different viewpoints = just look at the BBC or SKY tv its quite plain what the poppy is all about. Take off the blinkers
So the war in Iraq is nothing then to worry about for British people far away from the conflict, their "heroes" are doing a great job fighting for British freedom
Look at it again: you said they're supporting the war whether they intend it or not. I'm saying the vast majority of people are capable of making the distinction between justifying the damage caused by the war and showing support for the soldiers who have basically been used as expendable pawns by their respective governments.

[ArdeeBhoy]

Possibly not in Britain, due to their media propaganda. And some of the populace not being quite the, er, 'sharpest'.

Anyway the whole charade is over for another year.

[Metrostars]

I don't get it. What's with all the rage nowadays with teams wearing the poppy? They never had them before this. No need to bring politics into sport.

[bennocelt]

Possibly not in Britain, due to their media propaganda. And some of the populace not being quite the, er, 'sharpest'.

Anyway the whole charade is over for another year.

You posted exactly what i was going to say as well, obvious point really:D
Even today in the office one of the English guys I was talking to thought Ireland was part of the UK!!!!!