Wolves

[paul_oshea]

4 irish starting today, and they are currently beating the top 4 side, therefore should ireland be among the top 4 in europe?!

On a serious note, when was the last time a club had four irish starting in the game? and also beating a team in the top 4 team

good to see doyle got this shot on target.

[geysir]

Can't you do a simple search for the Wolves' thread?
How hard can it be?
Really Paul, you are such a disappointment at times :)

[paul_oshea]

when yer working on a Saturday - it becomes hard. "Times" are in short supply.... ;)

[Noelys Guitar]

Doyle and Foley outstanding today. Hunt very good in first half but tired (understandably). Ward not quite good enough for me. I believe Doyle has been carrying an injury for most of the season but today he was in terrific form. Caused the City defense all types of problems. Foley has to be a serious contender for us now at right back. I thought his overall play today was excellent. Mancini will be getting his UB40 soon.

[Sullivinho]

Great result for them today. Very pleased for the Irish lads.

Never breaks my heart to see City failing either.

[paul_oshea]

Joining the dole queue...If they dont win next week he will be. Foley had a great game on wednesday too and he had a great finish for their second, as it wasn't an easy goal. Really begining to see a very strong 11 irish first team in the premiership(including russia too obviously) now. I really hope our international team reflects this.

Great result for wolves too and it was more than needed as they still sit in the bottom 3. Doyle needs to start scoring though.

[Sullivinho]

Doyle and Foley outstanding today. Hunt very good in first half but tired (understandably). Ward not quite good enough for me. I believe Doyle has been carrying an injury for most of the season but today he was in terrific form. Caused the City defense all types of problems. Foley has to be a serious contender for us now at right back. I thought his overall play today was excellent. Mancini will be getting his UB40 soon.

Glad to hear it. Thought he looked in a bit of a slump alright the past few times I've seen him. Foley is very consistent in fairness.

[Noelys Guitar]

Joining the dole queue...If they dont win next week he will be. Foley had a great game on wednesday too and he had a great finish for their second, as it wasn't an easy goal. Really begining to see a very strong 11 irish first team in the premiership(including russia too obviously) now. I really hope our international team reflects this.

Great result for wolves too and it was more than needed as they still sit in the bottom 3. Doyle needs to start scoring though.
Would love to see Doyle score a goal Paul but today he led the line brilliantly on his own for Wolves today. Top class performance.

[tetsujin1979]

On a serious note, when was the last time a club had four irish starting in the game?
Plugged this into the database I've amassed for Irish Abroad over the last few seasons. Wolves, Sunderland (twice) and Stoke have also had 4 Irish players in the starting XI.
No more than 6 starters in a single Premier League game in the last few seasons


Date Home Team Result Away Team Home Away Total
03/04/10 Stoke City 2-0 Hull City 3 3 6
05/11/07 Manchester City 1-0 Sunderland 2 4 6
26/12/06 Sheffield United 0-1 Manchester City 3 2 5
02/12/06 Sheffield United 2-1 Charlton 3 2 5
19/01/08 Newcastle 0-0 Bolton 3 2 5
22/08/09 Manchester City 1-0 Wolverhampton Wanderer 3 2 5
03/10/09 Wolverhampton Wanderer 0-1 Portsmouth 3 2 5
07/04/07 Sheffield United 1-2 Newcastle 2 3 5
20/01/07 Reading 3-1 Sheffield United 2 3 5
04/11/06 Newcastle 0-1 Sheffield United 2 3 5
22/08/09 Birmingham City 0-0 Stoke City 2 3 5
29/08/09 Wolverhampton Wanderer 1-1 Hull City 2 3 5
30/01/10 Hull City 2-2 Wolverhampton Wanderer 2 3 5
13/05/07 Sheffield United 1-2 Wigan 3 1 4
31/03/07 Newcastle 0-1 Manchester City 3 1 4
03/03/07 Sheffield United 1-1 Everton 3 1 4
10/02/07 Sheffield United 2-1 Tottenham 3 1 4
11/08/07 Sunderland 1-0 Tottenham 3 1 4
18/08/07 Reading 1-0 Everton 3 1 4
25/08/07 Sunderland 0-2 Liverpool 3 1 4
29/01/08 Sunderland 2-0 Birmingham City 3 1 4
08/03/08 Reading 2-0 Manchester City 3 1 4
04/03/09 Stoke City 2-0 Bolton 3 1 4
11/04/09 Stoke City 1-1 Newcastle 3 1 4
18/04/09 Stoke City 1-0 Blackburn 3 1 4
26/09/09 Stoke City 0-2 Manchester United 3 1 4
16/01/10 Wolverhampton Wanderer 0-2 Wigan 3 1 4
16/02/10 Stoke City 1-1 Manchester City 3 1 4
06/03/10 Wolverhampton Wanderer 0-1 Manchester United 3 1 4
13/09/10 Stoke City 2-1 Aston Villa 3 1 4
24/10/10 Stoke City 1-2 Manchester United 3 1 4
03/02/07 Manchester City 0-2 Reading 2 2 4
18/11/06 Reading 2-0 Charlton 2 2 4
28/10/06 Newcastle 0-0 Charlton 2 2 4
15/08/07 Birmingham City 2-2 Sunderland 2 2 4
24/11/07 Manchester City 2-1 Reading 2 2 4
22/12/07 Reading 2-1 Sunderland 2 2 4
29/12/07 Sunderland 3-1 Bolton 2 2 4
02/01/08 Newcastle 0-2 Manchester City 2 2 4
16/08/08 Bolton 3-1 Stoke City 2 2 4
23/08/08 Newcastle 1-0 Bolton 2 2 4
20/10/08 Newcastle 2-2 Manchester City 2 2 4
19/09/09 Hull City 0-1 Birmingham City 2 2 4
24/10/09 Hull City 0-0 Portsmouth 2 2 4
28/11/09 Manchester City 1-1 Hull City 2 2 4
28/12/09 Wolverhampton Wanderer 0-3 Manchester City 2 2 4
05/01/10 Stoke City 3-2 Fulham 2 2 4
03/02/10 Fulham 1-0 Portsmouth 2 2 4
06/02/10 Hull City 2-1 Manchester City 2 2 4
20/02/10 Portsmouth 1-2 Stoke City 2 2 4
11/04/10 Wolverhampton Wanderer 0-0 Stoke City 2 2 4
17/04/10 Birmingham City 0-0 Hull City 2 2 4
14/08/10 Wolverhampton Wanderer 2-1 Stoke City 2 2 4
24/02/07 Liverpool 4-0 Sheffield United 1 3 4
16/12/06 Wigan 0-1 Sheffield United 1 3 4
18/08/07 Wigan 3-0 Sunderland 1 3 4
12/01/08 Manchester United 6-0 Newcastle 1 3 4
09/05/09 Hull City 1-2 Stoke City 1 3 4
16/05/09 Tottenham 2-1 Manchester City 1 3 4
15/08/09 Blackburn 0-2 Manchester City 1 3 4
16/08/09 Manchester United 1-0 Birmingham City 1 3 4
12/09/09 Sunderland 4-1 Hull City 1 3 4
19/10/09 Fulham 2-0 Hull City 1 3 4
07/02/10 Birmingham City 2-1 Wolverhampton Wanderer 1 3 4
20/03/10 Aston Villa 2-2 Wolverhampton Wanderer 1 3 4
20/03/10 Portsmouth 3-2 Hull City 1 3 4
11/09/10 Fulham 2-1 Wolverhampton Wanderer 1 3 4
18/09/10 Tottenham 3-1 Wolverhampton Wanderer 1 3 4
02/10/10 Wigan 2-0 Wolverhampton Wanderer 1 3 4
19/01/08 Tottenham 2-0 Sunderland 0 4 4
20/04/08 Newcastle 2-0 Sunderland 0 4 4
25/04/09 Fulham 1-0 Stoke City 0 4 4

[AlaskaFox]

Excellent research Tets.

[tetsujin1979]

Excellent research Tets.
Thanks, questions like that were the reason I started the site in the first place

[AlaskaFox]

Villa's Clark, Dunne, Ireland combo will definitely appear on that list in the future I'd say.

[The Fly]

Villa's Clark, Dunne, Ireland combo will definitely appear on that list in the future I'd say.

Three Irish, and two Irish international players.

Pity!

[AlaskaFox]

Three Irish, and two Irish international players.

Pity!

Surely is, but that's for another thread.

It's a pity the four Irish at Stoke don't start together.

[Stuttgart88]

Sunderland (twice) have also had 4 Irish players in the starting XI.



Date Home Team Result Away Team Home Away Total
05/11/07 Manchester City 1-0 Sunderland 2 4 6
19/01/08 Tottenham 2-0 Sunderland 0 4 4
20/04/08 Newcastle 2-0 Sunderland 0 4 4


Great research, but rubbish synopsis :)

[Noelys Guitar]

Mick M. switched back to a 4-5-1 today from 4-4-2 and Doyle excels as the lone target man. He rarely won the first header Against Richards, Kompany, or Toure but he made sure they could not direct their headers. Very clever stuff from Doyle and for me it stopped City building from the back. Kenny Sansom was the co-commentator today and he singled out Doyle, Jarvis and Foley as the top three player son the pitch from either side. Foley was a revelation today. Made the second goal and Mancini sent on Zabletta to try stop Foley sprinting forward with the ball. He almost broke Foley's leg with a terrible tackle. Mancini completely lost the plot late in game. Got rid of the City scarf and his jacket and was ranting like a lunatic at City defenders to stop Doyle bullying them (Sansom's words).

[Crosby87]

Great Thread Paul Oshea
As always.
First time i have felt OK reading new threads on this website in months.

[The Fly]

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[tetsujin1979]

Great research, but rubbish synopsis :)
As always, I am open to constructive criticism.

[Adrock]

Four players playing in the championship next season as may be the case but still encouraging. I like Foley a lot too, we seem to have a lot of strenth emerging down the right flank these days - just need to change the pitch dimensions to cut out the dubious left flank and we'll be alright.

[ArdeeBhoy]

Fair play to Mick. Doing better than his former apprentice??

And Foley should be in every Ireland squad!

[paul_oshea]

Thanks, questions like that were the reason I started the site in the first place

Is it an access db? i wondered alright about whether you had moved from excel based spreadsheets, id assumed you must have with all the stored records. Great thing to have for these sort of questions/stats, well done tets.

[paul_oshea]

Great research, but rubbish synopsis :)

yep, do you think you could sort with the team that was away how many loses they had if they had more irish players playing than the home team...:D

and also whether or not the team with the most irish players lost more than those with less irish players

[Stuttgart88]

Pat Murphy, R5 Live commentator, was just saying that nobody who had seen Wolves play recently was surprised at the City result. Last minute or very late goals have cost them several points. He also says that Kevin Doyle leads the line brilliantly and is the most unheralded player in the league.

[tetsujin1979]

Is it an access db? i wondered alright about whether you had moved from excel based spreadsheets, id assumed you must have with all the stored records. Great thing to have for these sort of questions/stats, well done tets.
no, it's an XML document, getting quite large now it weighs in a 5MB, which is huge for a text file.
I never used a spreadsheet, it started out as automatically generated text for posts in the forum, and then I changed to XML so I could query it with XQuery

[paul_oshea]

you could try this open source tool:

http://exist.sourceforge.net/

I even think mysql supports it now too;
http://forums.mysql.com/read.php?44,233117,233117
It would make maintenance a lot easier for you, and also easily allow you make changes/additions to the metadata and data.

Stutts, ive seen the last two games and i have to say attacking they are very good, they spread the ball brilliantly and it worked well against city who play a narrow 3 in midfield yesterday. Was great tactics by Mick.

However their defence is very poor down the centre, the midfield seems to be overran easily at times and the two central defenders are lax when picking men up in the box.

[tetsujin1979]

you could try this open source tool:

http://exist.sourceforge.net/

I even think mysql supports it now too;
http://forums.mysql.com/read.php?44,233117,233117
It would make maintenance a lot easier for you, and also easily allow you make changes/additions to the metadata and data.

I looked into it before, but the server host (Google's App Engine - http://code.google.com/appengine/ ) doesn't support it.
There's not a whole lot of maintenance to be honest, but it is a bit of a pain to remove a player's games alright.

[paul_oshea]

I did notice this tets:
Enterprise features: Coming later this year - hosted SQL databases, SSL on your company’s domain for secure communications, and access to advanced Google services.

Do you pay for the hosting monthly or is it free under certain terms?

[tetsujin1979]

I did notice this tets:
Enterprise features: Coming later this year - hosted SQL databases, SSL on your company’s domain for secure communications, and access to advanced Google services.

Do you pay for the hosting monthly or is it free under certain terms?
Yeah, hosting is free up to a certain amount of traffic. Don't think I've ever come close to it though.

The hosted databases is something you have to pay for.

[Stuttgart88]

I think I found the discussion on dialectic semanticism easier to understand.

[tetsujin1979]

apologies for the off topic nerding