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Just seen Eyes Wide Shut on tv last night. If theres been a better Movie Director/Writer i can't name him. He didn't do ordinary movies anyway.
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max power
10/05/2004, 2:13 PM
hitchcock.......the god of all film makers......
Not ordinary no... but Eyes wide shut isn't good.
Scorsese for me...
max power
10/05/2004, 2:39 PM
Scorsese would ahve been my first choice but gangs of new york was a real let down , i can't think of one bad film hitchcock made......
Kubrick made memorable films all right. They are all very different.
Hitch was a master. Saw the film "rope" the other day on TV not one of his most heralded but its still a masterpiece. The entire film takes place in one room yet your attention would never wander for a moment.
My favourite film makers though was the team of Powell/Pressburger. Ive seen a lot of their films and with the odd exception their amazing imo anyway.
Kubrick made memorable films all right. They are all very different.
Suppose thats what trying to say. Kubrick didn't make many but all great & each in own genre & possibly the king of controversy. The Shining, 2001, Lolita, Clockwork Orange... Was like he said would make one movie from each category.
Hitchkock probably most influencial movie maker as been copied or re-applied elsewhere but he made a few no so good movies...
IMO Scorcese not worthy of their company...
Well Scorsese (and the Movie brats of the early 70s) re-invented cinema in America and without them, we'd be stuck with nothing better than the Jerry bruckheimer tripe. They made the Director and the story king, taking the power away from producers only interested in Cash. Just because every Rubbish director copied the tracking shot from him doesn't mean his achievements are duiluted in any way
I challenge anybody to name a director who has made 3 better films than Goodfella, Raging Bull and Taxi Driver. (and yes I include hitchcock and Kubrick in there) Don't believe for one second that just because Robert De Niro is in all 3 that those films are in anyway the same. Oh and Scorsese's After Hours is one of the best comedies of all time.
WeAreRovers
10/05/2004, 3:35 PM
My two cent worth -
Kubrick went from (The Killing 10/10 one of my favourite ever films) to Eyes Wide Shut (3/10 pretentious tosh)
The Kings of cinema -
Scorcese - Favourite film - Mean Streets
Hitchcock - Favourite Film - Rear Window
Current masters - The Coen Brothers - Favourite film - Miller's Crossing
KOH
tiktok
10/05/2004, 3:36 PM
Kubrick's done the very very good (The Shining, Strangelove, Full Metal Jacket) and the very very bad (Barry Lyndon, Eyes Wide shut). People rate him highly because of the memorable scenes that pepper his films, but an awful lot of his stuff is poorly paced and just drags the films down.
Hitchcock's stuff is all classic, but it's been parodied and copied so many times over now that the originals can often seem dated, it's only when you come across the slightly less popular ones e.g. The Rope as was mentioned, or Strangers on a Train, that you see how good he was. the Tennis scene in the latter is one of the simplest and creepiest I can think of.
I'd throw the Coen Brothers into the hat.
tiktok
10/05/2004, 3:42 PM
Oh and Scorsese's After Hours is one of the best comedies of all time.
And the Last Waltz is THE best music documentary of all time, I'd rate Scorcese highly however...
'Kundun'
'Bringing out the dead' (where he worked with Schaefer again)
and 'New York New York' are all rubbish.
and let's not mention the video to 'Bad'
And the Last Waltz is THE best music documentary of all time, I'd rate Scorcese highly however...
'Kundun'
'Bringing out the dead' (where he worked with Schaefer again)
and 'New York New York' are all rubbish.
and let's not mention the video to 'Bad'
Ok Kundun was boring but Pete wants different. Its certainly different.
Bringing Out the Dead is still good but it doesen't compare to Taxi Driver (also written by Paul Schrader ;) ) Still Miles better than most films though
New york, New York is rubbish. Again its different though, a musical with De Niro?!
Coen Bros are great but for they made the Hudsucker Proxy and the Man who Wasn't there, so even they have rubbish films under their belt.
Think the Coen Brothers are outstanding.
Blood Simple
Fargo
Raising Arizona
The Hudsucker Proxy
Miller's Crossing
O Brother Where Art Thou
Barton Fink
The Big Lebowski
Wasn't too impressed with The Man Who Wasn't There tbh, but more because it just wasn't that interesting, rather than badly directed. But Blood Simple and O Brother are classics...
The Coen Brothers are excellent. Loved Fargo and O Brother Where art Thou but Intolerable Cruelty was crap IMO.
The great films of the last few years were imo Donnie Darko (hopefully the director of that film Richard Kelly will go on to other good work), Lantana, city of god and BELLEVILLE RENDEZ-VOUS.
WeAreRovers
10/05/2004, 4:24 PM
And the Last Waltz is THE best music documentary of all time, I'd rate Scorcese highly however...
'Kundun'
'Bringing out the dead' (where he worked with Schaefer again)
and 'New York New York' are all rubbish.
and let's not mention the video to 'Bad'
In fairness Bringing Out the Dead has its moments especially the Clash heavy soundtrack.
KOH
max power
10/05/2004, 4:29 PM
Nobody Has Mentioned A Rubbish Hitchcock Movie Yet ????
Nobody Has Mentioned A Rubbish Hitchcock Movie Yet ????
Juno and the paycock
And the Last Waltz is THE best music documentary of all time, I'd rate Scorcese highly however...
Woodstock aint bad in that department :cool:
I think the Coens are great (originality being their tool) but just don't see them at the upper edge of movie making. Brother Where Arth Thou gets better everytime I see it.
Of the ones i've Marnie & The Trouble About Harry wouldn't be Hitchcock classics.
Maybe I was reading too much into it but though Eyes Wide Shut good enough & not for the scenes ye all thinking about.
If I want to see a few hundred crows I'd fire a shotgun in the local woods and watch them rise...
sounds like a sinn fein members excuse ...... ;)
the 12 th man
10/05/2004, 4:42 PM
what about "high anxiety".spoof hitchcock film by mel brooks.
one of my fav films :D
WeAreRovers
10/05/2004, 4:50 PM
Thought the Birds was vastly overrated myself. Lots of screaming and running. Du Maurier's story on which it was based was far far better. If I want to see a few hundred crows I'd fire a shotgun in the local woods and watch them rise...
The Birds was light years ahead of its time in the SFX dept. and it had Tippi Hedren in it.
KOH
4tothefloor
10/05/2004, 4:56 PM
Scorcese's 'Casino' was top class as well, there's no way you cannot put him up there with the best.
Other top directors in my book:
Quentin Tarantino - Reservoir Dogs, Pulp Fiction, Jackie Brown, Kill Bill v1 & 2.
Francis Ford Coppola - Godfather 1 & 2, Apocalypse Now
Brian De Palma - Scarface, The Untouchables....
Anyone know if Tony Kaye, guy who directed American History X, has done anything of note since? That was some film.
Thought the Birds was vastly overrated myself. Lots of screaming and running. Du Maurier's story on which it was based was far far better. If I want to see a few hundred crows I'd fire a shotgun in the local woods and watch them rise...
Dont ye have hay bails down there that do that job?
4tothefloor
10/05/2004, 5:27 PM
couldn't think of it Conor, thus the dots....:D
I know it's my third post in a row, but we shouldn't forget Spielberg.
Yeah, Ild agree the first 20 minutes of Saving Private Ryan are amazing.
I always liked ET myself
gustavo
10/05/2004, 7:00 PM
was gonna mention spielberg for pure entertainment hes in a class of his own imo,
apart from those mentioned so far others who i enjoy include
spike jonze being jon mallkovich and adaptation
pt anderson - magnolia and boogie nights
kevin smith -- clerks . chasing amy
christopher nolan -- memento and insomnia
sam mendes -- american beauty and road to perdition
david fincher-- seven fight club
bryan singer - xmen and usual suspects
david lynch -- blue velvet , elephant man
and just for one film , City of God i have to mention Fernando Meirelles .
tiktok
10/05/2004, 7:31 PM
spike jonze being jon mallkovich and adaptation
pt anderson - magnolia and boogie nights
david fincher-- seven fight club
bryan singer - xmen and usual suspects
agree with those, but they'll have to add to their respective lists to merit the plaudits.
Can't believe that people are knocking the Coen Brother's 'Hudsucker Proxy' and especially 'Intolerable Cruelty', I thought both were absolutely brilliant.
Bad Hitchcock films...
The 39 Steps
The trouble with Harry
Mr and Mrs Smith
...although the fact that he made 'Rebecca' cancels those out many times over
How about Billy Wilder though since we're travelling back in time too...
Double Indemnity
Sunset Boulevard
Ace in the Hole (Kirk Douglas' finest hour IMO)
Some like it hot
and the criminally underrated One,Two,Three
the 12 th man
11/05/2004, 7:06 AM
Could have put Carrie in there too.
He's had a few real stinkers though,.
"snake eyes" with nic cage was a turkey.(he and nic are related in some way)
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