Damn Horns

[redobit]

The horns in the background are a pain in the asre. Makes a difference if you:

Turn Treple UP (to +15 on my TV)
Turn Bass DOWN (to -15 on my TV)
Turn on CLEAR VOICE option.

Helps a little.

[Dunny]

They are a pain in the hole alright. Kills any atmosphere. They arent as loud on BBC's coverage though.

[Ciaran W]

Im actually sort of used to the horns by now, the only time i ever notice them is when someone in my family complains about them

[gilberto_eire]

Im actually sort of used to the horns by now, the only time i ever notice them is when someone in my family complains about them

Same as that.... i've been playing the WC game(PS3) for the past 2mths and don't even hear them in that anymore(either)

[bennocelt]

I suppose one will get used to it, annoying as it is. Must be terrible to be at the games, must be hard to get a few chants going above that din

[Crosby87]

what I dont get is why would you pay to go to a game and blow the horn the whole time? So stupid.

[shakermaker1982]

Like Gilberto Fifa WC2010 helps you build up a tolerance. I don't know what would happen at a game but I can cope at home.

[endabob1]

You get used to it very very quickly, beer helps.

[Dunny]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/world_cup_2010/8737455.stm


South Africa's World Cup organising chief Danny Jordaan may ban vuvuzelas from inside stadiums after complaints from broadcasters and supporters.
The constant sound of the high-pitched horn-like instrument has so far drowned out much of the atmosphere-generating singing usually associated with games.
And Jordaan, when asked if he would get rid of them, told BBC Sport: "If there are grounds to do so, yes.
"We did say that if any land on the pitch in anger we will take action."
France captain Patrice Evra has already blamed the noise generated by the vuvuzelas, which has been likened to the drone of thousands of bees, for his side's poor showing in their opening group game against Uruguay, which finished goalless.


He said: "We can't sleep at night because of the vuvuzelas. People start playing them from 6am.
"We can't hear one another out on the pitch because of them."
Jordaan conceded that while the noise was irritating for some people, they were doing all they could to minimise the impact.
"We've tried to get some order," he continued. "We have asked for no vuvuzelas during national anthems or stadium announcements. It's difficult but we're trying to manage the best we can.


"We've had some broadcasters and individuals [complaining] and it's something we are evaluating on an on-going basis."
Jordaan admitted he was not a huge fan of them himself. "I would prefer singing," he said.
"It's always been a great generator of a wonderful atmosphere in stadiums and I would try to encourage them to sing.
"In the days of the struggle (against apartheid) we were singing, all through our history it's our ability to sing that inspired and drove the emotions."

[tippex]

yeah on RTE's coverage yesterday they said there had been a complaint call a minute to them about the vuvuzela's.
Christ some people must have nothing to moan about if they are ringing up RTE to complain.

Why can't the get off there arses and complain to the government about they way they have F*cked the country instead of idiotic things like horns being blown in another continent.

[endabob1]

France captain Patrice Evra has already blamed the noise generated by the vuvuzelas, which has been likened to the drone of thousands of bees, for his side's poor showing in their opening group game against Uruguay, which finished goalless.
He said: "We can't sleep at night because of the vuvuzelas. People start playing them from 6am.

What a crock of crap, France are staying here http://www.pezula.com/
You can't get within a mile of the resort without getting through 24 hour security

[Ciaran W]

Turn on ESPN classics and listen to the vuvuzelas on south africa nightly, its crazy

[EastTerracer]

yeah on RTE's coverage yesterday they said there had been a complaint call a minute to them about the vuvuzela's.
Christ some people must have nothing to moan about if they are ringing up RTE to complain.


I've been watching the games on ESPN here in the US and then switching back and forth to RTE for the analysis. The Yanks have done something to muffle the sound because I definitely notice the vuvuzuelas more on RTE and BBC than on ESPN. Having said that you still can't hear the crowd chanting or singing at all. They probably just lowered the sound effects in the audio-mix. I'll be at a few games later in the tournament so may bring some ear-plugs in my pocket just in case it becomes unbearable.

[mr.untitled]

Hey east terracer, I'm watching the games on espn3 (online) and watch the RTE highltes later when it appears on their website, is there a live stream of the RTE analysis available (worldwide) so i can just switch over at half time and the end?
oh and the horns are crap!!

[Beavis]

I absolutely no problem with the din, you get used to it very quickly. I have a big problem with the near total negation of the fan's input.

There is little noticable change in sound when there is an attack, a hard tackle or an incident etc. and it makes the whole occassion seem quite dull. I always enjoy the singing of competing sets of fans when watching on television and the vuvuzelas all but remove this facet. If we had qualified and I'd been there, I would have been extremely p!ssed off being unable to make any audible noise.

Also, having been unaware of this aspect of the South African game, I had been looking forward to a World Cup with unique dancing, singing and rhythms that you commonly get in the Cup of Nations. While the drone is also unique and maybe should be appreciated as such, I think it is hugely detrimental to the World Cup experience.

[dcfc_1928]

The vuvuzelas haven't annoyed me on telly - I think I've managed to filter them out. However, a child on our street seems to have got hold of one - and he's been running up and down the street all afternoon blowing the feckin' thing. Now that has been very annoying!

[EastTerracer]

Hey east terracer, I'm watching the games on espn3 (online) and watch the RTE highltes later when it appears on their website, is there a live stream of the RTE analysis available (worldwide) so i can just switch over at half time and the end?
oh and the horns are crap!!

If you're outside Europe I think you will need a European IP address to get the live stream. Otherwise take a look here http://www.rte.ie/sport/worldcup/ebu_cbp.html

I'm using a slingbox so its a direct link between my computer and a friend's TV back in Dublin but it's not possible to share the signal.

[pineapple stu]

what I dont get is why would you pay to go to a game and blow the horn the whole time? So stupid.
I did some maths on this. If everyone in a 45000 crowd has one (Are they given out free in the ground? Don't know that), and if everyone blows on it once for two seconds as a "What's this sound like?" experiment, you'd have 16 horns on average going off at any one time. That's if everyone just blows once, realises they're crap and puts them away.

There's so many of the fecking things in the grounds that you can leave them alone for 95% of the time and yet there's still a massive amount of them going off at any one time.

[the 12 th man]

I did some maths on this. If everyone in a 45000 crowd has one (Are they given out free in the ground? Don't know that), and if everyone blows on it once for two seconds as a "What's this sound like?" experiment, you'd have 16 horns on average going off at any one time. That's if everyone just blows once, realises they're crap and puts them away.

They're impressive stats stu,you have too much time on yer hands:D

[osarusan]

I did some maths on this. If everyone in a 45000 crowd has one (Are they given out free in the ground? Don't know that), and if everyone blows on it once for two seconds as a "What's this sound like?" experiment, you'd have 16 horns on average going off at any one time. That's if everyone just blows once, realises they're crap and puts them away.


That's based on the assumption that all those people will chose to test them out for two seconds at different stages during the game though, which means that at least 16 people would have waited until the final minute, and after they've heard 44,000 people all round them experiment, before deciding to give them a toot to find out what they sound like.

Isn't it more likely that the majority who get them for free (like you, I don't know if that happens or not) would test them out in the first 5 minutes, or even before the game starts? So we should hear thousands at the start, and very few or none at the end.

Yours,

Pedantor.

[pineapple stu]

It is based on that precept. You could I suppose argue that hearing a horn somewhere in the ground triggers the impulsion to play it yourself, which triggers the impulse in someone else, which triggers...

Anyway, it took my mind off the horns for a while.

But overall, the point was that you don't have to be playing it anywhere near the whole time for the whole ground to be drowned out. Just five minutes' playing for fun means 2500 or so horns on the go at any one time.

[Ciaran W]

You know the way your man jordan said the only way they will ban vuvuzelas is if they are used as missiles, well i think fifa should pay a few people who have no interest in football to go to a match and throw some at the players, vuvuzelas are banned, the people who threw them get a few bob and we all get to watch the world cup in peace, problem solved :D

[Dunny]

They wont be banned. FIFA have branded ones for sale.

[seand]

I don't have a big problem with the noise per se, but as people have said its choking the atmosphere. The only real atmosphere has been during the anthems (Advance Australia Fair was particularly hair-raising) but when Argentina, Germany and England fans can't make themselves heard it's a bit odd!

[Ciaran W]

They should just let the first 500 people bring in vuvuzelas so that we can still hear drums, vuvuzelas and singing all at the same time

[the 12 th man]

It's a shame we can't hear the singing & chanting etc,the Mecicans were saying you couldn't hear their Mariachi & Aztec songs they were trying to belt out.

It's just a matter of there being too many horns not the horns themselves.

[thejollyrodger]

cant belive they cant adjust the mic's or something

[the 12 th man]

The Dutch normally have bands playing at their games and the crowd are very entertaining,pity.

[Ciaran W]

I just read on wikipedia there that they've made a new vuvuzela which is 20db lower then the one there using at the moment

[Dunny]

http://www.rte.ie/sport/worldcup/2010/0614/vuvuzela.html

[thischarmingman]

I absolutely no problem with the din, you get used to it very quickly. I have a big problem with the near total negation of the fan's input.

There is little noticable change in sound when there is an attack, a hard tackle or an incident etc. and it makes the whole occassion seem quite dull. I always enjoy the singing of competing sets of fans when watching on television and the vuvuzelas all but remove this facet. If we had qualified and I'd been there, I would have been extremely p!ssed off being unable to make any audible noise.

Also, having been unaware of this aspect of the South African game, I had been looking forward to a World Cup with unique dancing, singing and rhythms that you commonly get in the Cup of Nations. While the drone is also unique and maybe should be appreciated as such, I think it is hugely detrimental to the World Cup experience.

I agree entirely, you said precisely what I wanted to say. There's no really discernable change in the crowd regardless of what's happening in the game which takes away from the occasion somewhat I think. It's got to the stage where you're sometimes surprised by the intensity of the players' celebrations after a goal because you've been lulled into a state whereby the game has lost some of it's intensity.

[DaveyCakes]

I have no problem with the vuvuzuelas. I have a problem with the football being awful..

[elroy]

I have no problem with the vuvuzuelas. I have a problem with the football being awful..

Poor so far isnt it! Had the day off today, thought the Holland/Denmark would at least be of high quality, but turned out to be very poor. Then even worse was the Cameroon Japan game. The aerial shot that showed the 20 outfield players bunched up like sheep summed up the game, awful. Perhaps its an over cautious approach to the first game that will pass once we get past the group openers. But the fare has been very poor so far.

[culloty82]

Coming to a sportsground near you soon: "Get your flags, scarves and vuvuzelas!"

http://www.buy-vuvuzela.com/

[Razors left peg]

http://www.facebook.com/home.php?#!/group.php?gid=128094290554134&ref=mf

[thischarmingman]

Paraguay 1 up.

[elroy]

Fcuking vuvuuzelas or whatever you call them were particularly annoying tonight

[tetsujin1979]

How to eliminate the drone of vuvuzela's (if you have a top of the range equaliser for your tv) http://www.fastcompany.com/1660044/world-cup-hack-a-simple-fix-to-eliminate-that-annoying-vuvuzela-drone

[Ciaran W]

Apparently sainsbury's over in england are selling 1 vuvuzela every second and the premier league just said they wouldn't stop people from bringing the vuvuzelas to the matches so we could be hearing alot more of them !

[pineapple stu]

Have you a link for either of those comments or are you just making stuff up?

Edit - Sainsbury's sold one every other second (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1286406/WORLD-CUP-2010-Vuvuzela-faces-ban-noise-complaints.html) in the 12-hour lead up to the England game; 22000 in all.

A search for vuvuzela (http://www.premierleague.com/page/SearchResults/?searchQuery=vuvuzela&page=2229476&page=2231401&page=2232085&page=2232088&page=2232090&page=2233530&order=date) on the Premier league website throws up no results at all.

[Ciaran W]

They said it on sky sports news about an hour ago, i have no link but im sure they will repeat it

[Ciaran W]

Did you see it ?

[pineapple stu]

Nope. And there's still nothing on their site, so I doubt it was an official announcement or anything. If it was on Sky, I'd say they just rang and asked.

[Ciaran W]

Alright, they did say it though. . Im used to it now so i wouldn't really mind them :D

[John83]

I did some maths on this. If everyone in a 45000 crowd has one (Are they given out free in the ground? Don't know that), and if everyone blows on it once for two seconds as a "What's this sound like?" experiment, you'd have 16 horns on average going off at any one time. That's if everyone just blows once, realises they're crap and puts them away.

There's so many of the fecking things in the grounds that you can leave them alone for 95% of the time and yet there's still a massive amount of them going off at any one time.
Phew. The LoI is safe.

[elroy]

Bunch of Brazilians walking up Harcourt st this afternoon. There was only about 20 of them in the end, but sounded like an army of them with the damn vuvussssss

[Spudulika]

It's annoying for sure, but no more annoying than the clownish synchronised singing you have at games. I used to detest going to Russian matches and being stuck listening to the "choir" who sang their songs throughout the game, trying to look cool in burberry, and totally ignoring the game until there was a goal or near miss. same in many continental leagues that I've had the mis/fortune to be at. But the racket in South Africa, it can only be the locals who were bussed in from townships and made to make it "authentic", it's just not funny after the mess of the Confederations Cup. There's no atmosphere at games.

[the 12 th man]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vQhWBsivmK8&feature=player_embedded#

Vuvuzela song.:D

[osarusan]

For about 10 seconds after Forlan's penalty tonight, I think there were no vuvuzuelas being blown at all. It seems there are no microphones in the stands (to avoid deafening us all with the blast from the vuvuzuelas) so there was total silence, as the Uruguayan support couldn't be heard.

[strangeirish]

For about 10 seconds after Forlan's penalty tonight, I think there were no vuvuzuelas being blown at all. It seems there are no microphones in the stands (to avoid deafening us all with the blast from the vuvuzuelas) so there was total silence, as the Uruguayan support couldn't be heard.I heard that the Argentinians are buying them all up. Wonder why...

http://f.cl.ly/items/ae693b329ff73047aad6/Pic-of-World-Cup-2010-Maradona.jpeg:D