Chris Turner - Which Rovers?

[Dodge]

A good addition to any teams squad.


Except Finglas, who released him. (and BTW he'd absolutely improve our current squad. He was training with Pats all last pre-season (2009) but went to Fingal as we couldn't offer him the right deal)

[superjohnny]

Bayly training with Rovers weeks and weeks ago before going to Blackpool on trial. He played very well against us in the two cup games last season. A good addition to any teams squad.

bhs

MON in today's sun saying that he still wants turner to sign. So that deal is not dead to rovers obviously. That is some midfield you lads will have. Rovers also linked with stewart former linfield striker?

[Rasputin]

The deal's been polluted by Sligo's carry on anyway.
Ohh indeed, how dare we question "the model club".
Would you rather we bow or grovel when we hand Turner over?
For once im glad that the board have finally got the spine to stand up to the FAI.

[pineapple stu]

Yeah, cos it could never be the case that Sligo fecked up here, could it?

Occam's razor - the simplesy solution is often the correct one. Either - the FAI, in liege with the reverse vampires who don't want to set out to away games before sunset, and also with the aim of creating a Leinster league to cut down on travel costs to aid Bohs, aided another Dublin side in order to further damage the good and virtuous Sligwegians by making up trumped charges against a player, or - Sligo fecked up and are getting what they deserve.

Why is that no-one here will ever, ever, countenance the possibility that their own club is anything less than perfect?

[Rasputin]

Yeah, cos it could never be the case that Sligo fecked up here, could it?
All we can do is judge a club by its past activity as it is generally a fair indication of what the present situation and the future may hold.
The past financial dealings of Sligo Rovers has been straight and consistent.
We meet our players wages every week, we pay our Taxes and we even made a 6 figure profit last season.
All this creates a trust in our board and the way it is run.
Now shall we have a run down of Shams financial activity over the past decade?

[CarrickFan]

Yeah, cos it could never be the case that Sligo fecked up here, could it?

Occam's razor - the simplesy solution is often the correct one. Either - the FAI, in liege with the reverse vampires who don't want to set out to away games before sunset, and also with the aim of creating a Leinster league to cut down on travel costs to aid Bohs, aided another Dublin side in order to further damage the good and virtuous Sligwegians by making up trumped charges against a player, or - Sligo fecked up and are getting what they deserve.

Why is that no-one here will ever, ever, countenance the possibility that their own club is anything less than perfect?

very fair point while the whole affair has increased my dislike of Shamrock,their manager and the player involved it also appears to me Rovers may not be beyond reproach and there is no point being blind to that..

[pineapple stu]

The past financial dealings of Sligo Rovers has been straight and consistent.
You don't remember two years ago - "We need E100k in two weeks to survive", followed two weeks later by "Thanks for the E100k - now we need E100k by the end of the season to survive"?

Aside from that, your post is nonsense. You judge a case by the facts, and the fact is that Sligo are the ones under investigation here, not Rovers. What Rovers' previous owners did is of no relevance to the facts here.

[RoversHead]

Can any of the Sligo fans delighted with the appeal tell me what they expect from it?what do you think your club has to gain from it?Is it worth the risk?do you even see a risk?In my opinion your club has just scored a big og and will get hammerd over the slightest thing now such as ticketing.

[marinobohs]

Can any of the Sligo fans delighted with the appeal tell me what they expect from it?what do you think your club has to gain from it?Is it worth the risk?do you even see a risk?

Perhaps they heard as I did (from a source close to the Shams board) that MON told the porn star "I want to sign you but get out of that Sligo contract". Admittedly now the sh1t has hit the fan I suspect some amnesia among shams but while Sligo did appear to be at best naive in their dealings with Turner there is no way shams are whiter than white in this case and no amount of preaching about the errors of others (if only they gave a throphy for that ) will change that.

[RoversHead]

Marino im not interested,any Sligo fans on who are not just into a slagging match?

[marinobohs]

Marino im not interested,any Sligo fans on who are not just into a slagging match?

whoops, worried that someone might know something that went on at shams ? perhaps you were all too busy watching affairs at Dalymount to notice it :D I know it happens but my point is that shams are hardly whiter than white when the manager encouraged a player to get out of a previous contract - no rules broken (I think) but morally not great.

[superjohnny]

Perhaps they heard as I did (from a source close to the Shams board) that MON told the porn star "I want to sign you but get out of that Sligo contract". Admittedly now the sh1t has hit the fan I suspect some amnesia among shams but while Sligo did appear to be at best naive in their dealings with Turner there is no way shams are whiter than white in this case and no amount of preaching about the errors of others (if only they gave a throphy for that ) will change that.

Oh Dear, more of the guessing game rather than hard fact.

[marinobohs]

Oh Dear, more of the guessing game rather than hard fact.

I fully acknowledged that i did not hear it directly but it was from a Shams fans that has links with the board. As i said it was mentioned to me before the whole shams/sligo debacle blew up and was not seen as that important .
feel free to believe/ disbelieve as you see fit but it has more substance that a lot of stuff in this thread.

[The Observer]

Shamrock rovers fans when he signed for us: He's crap, deserves to be at a crap club like sligo
Shamrock rovers fans when he left and signed for them: Great news, best midfielder in the league, great signing.
Shamrock rovers fans when they realise he might not sign: Ah he's not worth it, Bayly's better anyway.
Shamrock rovers fans if he Turner does sign for them in the end: Great news, best midfielder in the league, great signing.

To be fair you could change the player & the clubs & the sentiment would be the same the world over, football supporters are fickle at the best of times & we've all been guilty of allowing changing situations to cloud our judgements & opinions.

[blackholesun]

Perhaps they heard as I did (from a source close to the Shams board) that MON told the porn star "I want to sign you but get out of that Sligo contract". Admittedly now the sh1t has hit the fan I suspect some amnesia among shams but while Sligo did appear to be at best naive in their dealings with Turner there is no way shams are whiter than white in this case and no amount of preaching about the errors of others (if only they gave a throphy for that ) will change that.

Sligo announced before the Cup Final they had signed Turner, obviously using some of the ticket sale money to fund his signing on fee.

They signed him on an form that the FAI later refused to accept.

They then lost the Cup Final.

They then supposedly offered Turner a lower deal.

Cant really blame him for having second thoughts, can you?

bhs

[Red4Eva]

Sligo announced before the Cup Final they had signed Turner, obviously using some of the ticket sale money to fund his signing on fee.

Obviously, ya?

The finalist don't receive any of the proceeds from ticket sales. Surely the "cup specialists" know this? I don't know where ye are pulling this lower contract offer out. Ye supposedly then offered him a monkey dipped in curry sauce. Can't really blame him for having second thoughts, can you?

[RoversHead]

Can any of the Sligo fans delighted with the appeal tell me what they expect from it?what do you think your club has to gain from it?Is it worth the risk?do you even see a risk?In my opinion your club has just scored a big og and will get hammerd over the slightest thing now such as ticketing.Cloakroom ticketing that is.still no takers,the silence is deafening.

[dong]

still no takers,the silence is deafening.

I can see no point in appealing the original decision. There is no benefit from it from what I can see. Only creating trouble for ourselves.

[RoversHead]

Thanks Dong ,just curious as to why its being celebrated by some.

[marinobohs]

I can see no point in appealing the original decision. There is no benefit from it from what I can see. Only creating trouble for ourselves.

Anyone know the basis for the appeal ?

[Rasputin]

You don't remember two years ago - "We need E100k in two weeks to survive", followed two weeks later by "Thanks for the E100k - now we need E100k by the end of the season to survive"?
Yes indeed I do remember that time.
Was a good fundraising event.
But in the end of the day we paid all our bills as always, tax and wages included so your point is redundant.
The rehtorric behind the fundraising is irrelevant its the final line so to speak which is important.

Aside from that, your post is nonsense.Merely dismissing it as nonsense because of your failure to engage with it does not legitmise your statement which lacks substance.

You judge a case by the facts, and the fact is that Sligo are the ones under investigation here, not Rovers.Yes indeed they are.
That is relevant why exactly?

What Rovers' previous owners did is of no relevance to the facts here.Its of pivitol importance to this current debate because many comments about under hand deals and not meeting financial commitments are being raised here.
As I stated before the current debate is largely confined to subjective assumptions as such it is wholey understandable to look at both clubs financial history over the past short to medium term to help determine some form of pattern of behaviour.
To dismiss this as nonsense is really quite foolish.


Can any of the Sligo fans delighted with the appeal tell me what they expect from it?what do you think your club has to gain from it?Is it worth the risk?do you even see a risk?In my opinion your club has just scored a big og and will get hammerd over the slightest thing now such as ticketing.
My guess is there is something more to this than meets the eye because our board are not exatly renowned for gung ho antics.

[dong]

Yes indeed I do remember that time.
Was a good fundraising event.
But in the end of the day we paid all our bills as always, tax and wages included so your point is redundant.
The rehtorric behind the fundraising is irrelevant its the final line so to speak which is important.

Merely dismissing it as nonsense because of your failure to engage with it does not legitmise your statement which lacks substance.

Yes indeed they are.
That is relevant why exactly?

Its of pivitol importance to this current debate because many comments about under hand deals and not meeting financial commitments are being raised here.
As I stated before the current debate is largely confined to subjective assumptions as such it is wholey understandable to look at both clubs financial history over the past short to medium term to help determine some form of pattern of behaviour.
To dismiss this as nonsense is really quite foolish.


To be honest Rasputin, while your loyalty to the club is to be applauded you should just let this one lie. At least until the appeal decision comes back. For the record, once again, I think it is a foolish move.
"Patterns of behaviour"? This is all irrelevant. Also, to suggest that the fundraising initiative taken at the time were just run of the mill is just untrue. Plus your spelling is muck.:o

[baoithe]

Just a quick note on this.

Its laughable to read all of the wannabe lawyers on here surmising whether a legitimate contract existed.

Armed with the knowledge we have, which is very little apart from conjecture and hearsay, I would be of the opinion that Rovers (Sligo) are acting out of principle rather than looking at the arbitration decision with cool heads i.e. they have a statable case if not a winnable one. It should also be remembered that it is most likely that Rovers must follow the procedures for appeal set out in the FAI's T&Cs/Participation Agreement before they can have recourse to the Courts.

If the appeal succeeds and the arbitration decision was reversed, then presumably Rovers are hoping Turner would be deemed to be contracted to Rovers. In that case, although he will almost definitely not play for Rovers again, they would be entitled to seek compensation from any club that would sign him during the period for which he is allegedly contracted - notwithstanding the "connor clause" he had allegedly inserted into the agreement. Moreover, Rovers' motives may be based on the "optics" of the matter. That is to say, they will not be treated this way by players in the future.

Further I might also say that in order for Rovers to recover the €5000 paid to Turner they may ultimately have to turn to the Courts to seek an Order for same as he may well claim he is not in a position to pay it. The arbitration decision will not have the effect of a Judgment which can be enforced in various ways.

[pineapple stu]

Mod note - Can people keep to the point here - don't go dismissing people's points because of the clubs they support. Any more posts like that will be deleted.

[Rasputin]

To be honest Rasputin, while your loyalty to the club is to be applauded you should just let this one lie. At least until the appeal decision comes back. For the record, once again, I think it is a foolish move.
Its hard to come to a definitive conclusion when we are not privy to all the information.

"Patterns of behaviour"? This is all irrelevant.
Not at all.
In the present situation we do not have all the required information to come to conclusions hence why looking over previous track records is imperative to establishing a wider context in order to come to some conclusions.

Also, to suggest that the fundraising initiative taken at the time were just run of the mill is just untrue.
Come now, every off season we have the same calls from the board.
This season it was apparently a disaster because of a plummet of sales in season tickets etc.
But sure if it raises funds for the club in the off season who am I to point fault in it.

Plus your spelling is muck.:o
Irrelevant pedantic point scoring.

[Redie]

You don't remember two years ago - "We need E100k in two weeks to survive", followed two weeks later by "Thanks for the E100k - now we need E100k by the end of the season to survive"?

Can you explain why that fund-raising drive was anything other than 'straight and consistent'.

[Dillonman]

This point was put to me yesterday, could he feck off up North and play as per any other normal player and eventually come back to our league or are the FAI refusing to release his international clearance if he doesnt cough up?

[Schumi]

the FAI, in liege with the reverse vampires who don't want to set out to away games before sunsetWouldn't reverse vampires be more keen to set out before sunset?

[marinobohs]

The issue around contracts is an important one for the league- especially since the implication here could be that you can't get players committed to your club before the new contract for that year comes out, possibly irrespective of you budget/financial situation.
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Highlighted this point before - we signed seven players while under transfer embargo. I Am always amazed that the PFAI have not sought greater certainty around the whole issue of contracts and their execution.
Simple solution would be for clubs to have budgets agreed/passed earlier and so only be able to sign players at that point. I understand that legally people can agree contracts of employment anytime but nothing to stop this being prohibited via the participation agreement. It is however, madness to try and limit signings to after budgets agreed if they are not agreed until 1/2 weeks before the season begins.

[dahamsta]

Crap split here (http://foot.ie/threads/132887-Chris-Turner-Which-Rovers). There's a right way and a wrong way to deal with stuff on Foot.ie, and as long as ye take the wrong way, ye'll get no help from me. Use the system or STFU.

Any more in this thread and I'm binning the lot.