Senior Irish Cup

[rasper]

This years senior irish cup starts in April 11th with round two may 2nd right in the middle of college exams.

[MaryDrummer]

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Ridiculous

[ramladies]

what about the talks of making it an all club competition will that go ahead or do ye think there'll still be league representative teams, eg cork, limerick, wexford

[monuman]

The senior cup kicks off on April 11th but what I don't understand is that with the usual 25 odd teams that enter the competition,what is the panic in starting so early when the majority of the teams are still in pre season training.Every year we see teams pulling out of the National cups and yet the powers that be carry on making a mess of the dates and turning the cups into a farce.Have they lost touch with grassroots ladies football?

[rasper]

totally agree with you they say play summer soccer then they want to start before most teams have had a chance to train and it look's like from next year only club teams in senior cup what happened to the national league? do think that the senior cup should be for clubs only but we can only dance with the people in the hall !!

[monuman]

The Nat cups should only be for club teams.There should be a separate competetion for league squads or they should have a competition for county squads as in the gaelic.I never hear of the clubs getting a chance to air their views to the top table.I went to the W.F.A.I. AGM a couple of years ago and there wouldn't have been 15 people in the room.Do clubs not just turn up or are they not invited.It's just not good enough that league reps attend the meetings but the people at grass roots have to get the chance to tell them what's really happening in the real world.

[MaryDrummer]

I was wondering, are Galway one of the only counties in Ireland to run their league from May to September/October?

[monuman]

The D.W.S.L. also run from May to October.They have a winter league with only a few teams playing in it.

[MaryDrummer]

Ah right, thanks!

[rasper]

when is the draw taking place for these cups??

[The One]

It's a secret......

[The One]

......the FAI say probably the week following the closing date for entries(26th Feb for Senior Cup and 19th March for all other), but no dates have been set.

[LmkSnr]

LIMK leag also runs may to sept.SENIOR cup starts early due to a national league going ahead later in the year. Its being held under the usual cloak and dagger system of the FAI. Only got a hint but its 6 teams to start and no club teams from Munster to be asked.Someone needs to be a little more honest with all the people involved in the womens game.

[The One]

Hi LmkSnr,

Can't say that I have heard anything about a National League this year. There were a couple of threads ref National League running last year(http://foot.ie/threads/117677-Women-s-Senior-National-League?highlight=Women+Senior) and (http://foot.ie/threads/113410-Womens-senior-cup-2009/page2?highlight=women+senior scroll down..) prompted by comments made by Women's Snr Manger in Cork last Jan(13 months ago)....as usual nothing happened.The last I heard was that there was a idea of playing a national league of representative teams ie Galway League, Mayo League etc. I can't imagine how that would run in Dublin though. How would the leagues run...a different season? alternate weekends? Would players be expected to train with club or rep team? Would rep team have "first call" on players and instruct them not to play for clubs? Who will pay for it all...travel especially?

Also I can't believe that there could be a league without a team from Munster.

With the way the Senior Cup is going a national league with only six teams would be like playing a Senior Cup with home and away fixtures.

TO

[LmkSnr]

Good questions that need to be answered.But it still looks like going ahead later in the year.Will look forward to an open forum on the subject but somehow i dont think it will happen. There has been meetings in munster but not with senior clubs .

[MaryDrummer]

I just got a text saying that they are trying to bring our league forward to April instead of May. Probably because of this National League?

[The One]

Hi LmkSnr and Mary Drunner,

I was just speaking to one of the DWSL "top four" managers and he has heard nothing from anyone ref National League. Also speaking to a couple of people who attended the WFAI AGM a few weeks ago and there was no mention.

LmkSnr, who were attending the meetings in Munster...leagues/FAI/WFAI/ if there were no senior clubs involved? I can't imagine Annacotty, Lifford, Wilton etc being too happy if there were meetings discussing a National League and excluding them from the process.

Anyway, I'll do some more digging and get back to you.

thanks for info.

[monuman]

Did I hear some one say that the WFAI A.G.M. was a few weeks ago? If it was ,where and when did it happen as I was was under rhe presumption that it was to be held at the end of March.

[The One]

Hi Monuman, it was Council Mtg, just contacted attendee. Apologies for error.

yeah, meeting held a few weeks ago...lots of issues were covered....including a total re-vamp of the Emerging Talent Program where the leagues can become part of the "Development Process" as a League Centre and will have to do all the initial work(scout players, assess players and coach players for 10 wks min) pre Christmas and create and maintain all the records for the FAI including player and coach details, all coaching sessions and ongoing assessments of the players. FAI will attend inter-league centre games and choose players for ETP.

Then the FAI step in after Christmas with the ETP(post Christmas to end of May) and also the Gaynor Cup. No league "decision making" involvement(my reading of the document is no involvement...or as little as humanly possible) in the Gaynor cup from next year, 2011 onwards(from last year realistically, let's be honest here.....and the age groups have changed back to U14, U16 and U18). Leagues may offer volunteers to help, roles not specified. Leagues offered "carrot" of e1000 per 10 weeks of coaching per age group(e100 per week wouldn't cover the hire of a training facility let alone training kit, training equipment, travel costs etc...)max of e3000 per league....oh and three FAI tracksuits as well...fantastic!

Also heard mutterings of U18Cup re-introduction.....

Haven't seen or heard anything else of note as yet.

will update....

[The One]

Monuman, will you be going to the AGM?

[monuman]

I would dearly love to go if I get notification of the AGM.Do you know do they send out notification to every club in the country with nomination and motion papers.I'm involved only 4 years in ladies football but I don't know who is on the top table but I have never been told.

[The One]

monuman, I'll know those details later today and will update.
I think that the Leagues are notified and it's up to them to pass the information on to clubs on behalf of the WFAI.
I'm sure that any affiliated clubs can attend an AGM...it is a "Gereral" meeting. Anyway will hopefully clarify later.

[The One]

AGM is scheduled for March 26th to best of my knowledge.
Leagues are notified by WFAI and are supposed to notify clubs.
Couldn't get a definitive on affiliated clubs sending representatives to AGM or leagues sending selected representatives to AGM or both.
No update on National League status.
No confirmation on agenda for AGM either...but didn't expect for that information to be shared.
Don't know process for having proposals debated/voted on at AGM(ie over-age issues from last year's FAI U16 Cup, large number of walkovers in senior cup matches, national league etc).

If anyone can educate on these matters, please udate this thread.

[Wexford Rules]

To the best of my knowledge all clubs affiliated to the WFAI are entitled to go to the AGM. I know as secretary of my club, I was always notified it was on and it came directly from the WFAI. It is usually poorly attended and does not raise many controversial issues on the day. Probably due to these poor attendances and lack of any interesting items on the agenda, clubs just dont have any interest and dont go. With some leagues now affiliating directly through their Junior leagues, they seem to be either gone off the WFAI database or its felt that there is no longer a need to contact those particular leagues. I have heard nothing about National League either but it would not suprise me if something pops up out of nowhere with a "selected" number of clubs participating. However, I dont think the dates of the Senior Cup has anything to do with National League, to the best of my knowledge it has started around April for the past few seasons

[LmkSnr]

Senior cup draw . Looks like 12 byes and 4 games..PEAMOUNT V RAHENY. WEXFORD V LAKEWOOD. SALTHILL V DWSL. CORK LEAG V WILTON.

[The One]

+++++

[munsterman]

There was one meeting in Munster in the past 12 months on a sunday morning and one league turned up (not sure how many were notified) and it was about the Gaynor Cup not National League. The provinsial councils run the Gaynor as part of the WFAI I would imagine the FAI will be running the National League if and when it starts. I could be wrong but I sense negativity towards a national league i think it's a great idea and badly needed, all the best nations in the world game have them and they are part of the reason their national teams are so strong.
As for the League centres i think these will replace the Winter training camps, the players will have to pay like they did for winter trainint so it won't just be the money the FAI give and i think it gives leagues the chance to put the players they want on them rather than who an fai coach wants.
I think it is still ridiculous that leagues have no input into the Gaynor tho

[MaryDrummer]

Apparently no Galway teams will be in the Irish Cup (I think at all levels), because the Galway FA didn't notify any club. Salthill are one of the strongest clubs in the country and have been quite successful in the competition over recent years and the FA didn't have the decency to inform any club about the closing dates. Two or three clubs found out on the closing date and I don't know if they reached the deadline.

Bloody shambolic it is. Ugh, I'm raging!!!

[The One]

Salthill are in the Senior cup.........1st round draw..........12 byes and 4 games..PEAMOUNT V RAHENY. WEXFORD V LAKEWOOD. SALTHILL V DWSL. CORK LEAG V WILTON.......and the DWSL probably won't have a team (same as last year).......so second round it looks like for Galway team!! Be happy!!!

[MaryDrummer]

Salthill are in the Senior cup.........1st round draw..........12 byes and 4 games..PEAMOUNT V RAHENY. WEXFORD V LAKEWOOD. SALTHILL V DWSL. CORK LEAG V WILTON.......and the DWSL probably won't have a team (same as last year).......so second round it looks like for Galway team!! Be happy!!!


Well that's good! I know there was two clubs rushing to the fax machine when they found out on the day of the closing date.

[rasper]

anyone know why some of the irish cup matches down for next sunday are not taking place. is it because under 17 are away or some players have chosen to play the last round of league games with the GAA.??

[ramladies]

Cork Wilton game off due to 2 Wilton players away with the under 17's. being played following Sunday

[LmkSnr]

Did any of the senior games actually go ahead today

[elaine casey]

Wexford Women bet Lakewood 3-1 ta day.. great match played.....

[elaine casey]

any one got results of other games tat were on ta day.....

[nemi7]

peamount 3 raheny 2

[The One]

nemi7

were you at the peamount v raheny game..was it any good? sounds like a cracker from the scoreline...

does anyone know if the Salthill v DWSL game went ahead?

[nemi7]

i was playin!
yeah it was a great game, end to end stuff. raheny scored with 4mins left so tense last few mins! will put the highlights up on www.peamountutd.com soon.

salthill dwsl didnt go ahead. shock horror. meant to be played next weekend so we shall see

[rasper]

[B]draw for irish cup round 2[
]aisling annacotty v salthill (what happen dwsl)
peamount v cork league/wilton
drimnagh v fyfc
templeogue v kilmacrennan
st francis v mayo
limerick league v dundalk
st catherine v monaghan
terenure v wexford

i see alot of the dublin teams got home draws

[LmkSnr]

Some nice games ahead. DWSL never play so someone needs to ask some serious questions.Have the DWSL no respect for the competition . A league team cannot and should not be allowed to enter every year and fail to play.Hope they are not one of the teams proposed for the national league.

[rasper]

is the wilton game going ahead and are the under 17 back?

[rasper]

[B]draw for irish cup round 2[
]aisling annacotty v salthill (what happen dwsl) (aisling0
peamount v cork league/wilton (peamount)
drimnagh v fyfc (fyfc)
templeogue v kilmacrennan (kilmacrennan)
st francis v mayo (mayo)
limerick league v dundalk (dundalk)
st catherine v monaghan (st catherines)
terenure v wexford (wexford)

i see alot of the dublin teams got home draws

team in brackets to win

[The One]

aisling annacotty v salthill - Salthill, but close(r Lifford girls plyng wit Anna?)

peamount v cork league/wilton - Peamount , easily

drimnagh v fyfc - FYFC-walkover

templeogue v kilmacrennan - Tmplge, easily

st francis v mayo - St Francis, v. close, maybe xtra time + Pens(Em Mullin, Katie Walsh playin)?

limerick league v dundalk - Dundalk, 1-0.

st catherine v monaghan - Caths, by 3 goals. (Is Noelle Murray plyng wit Caths?)

terenure v wexford - Wexford by 3

i see alot of the dublin teams got home draws.....they all got home draws!!!

Francis have had home draw in every round since 2008...(semi-finals are neutral grnds I think..open to correction!)

[ramladies]

wilton cork game off once again.

[LmkSnr]

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aisling annacotty v salthill - Salthill, but close(r Lifford girls plyng wit Anna?)


Wash your mouth out!!! :) :) I think hell would freeze over before any girls from either team would switch allegiance :D But back to serious business...the Lifford girls play for Limerick so my money is on their game being tight and not a total cake walk.

Cork v Wilton off? Do we know why and how it is possible?

[The One]

Wash your mouth out!!! :) :) I think hell would freeze over before any girls from either team would switch allegiance :D But back to serious business...the Lifford girls play for Limerick so my money is on their game being tight and not a total cake walk.

- JUST ASKIN!.....Lifford doesn't exist as a club anymore is what I have bin told....any1 know any more on this? If Lifford girls are playing with Limerick....I'll change my forecast and go Lmk....if not....Dundalk(Aisling Dyer will be hard to beat in the Dundalk goal.....midfield is okay...but they don't really have anything up front)



Cork v Wilton off? Do we know why and how it is possible?

- because of U17's I think....but there was a Lnstr Cup Final today Tramore v Raheny which was due to go ahead even though their U17 players weren't back......as usual doesn't make sense really.......

WFAI Rules Alert(if reading boring, wordy, sometimes seemingly contradictory but highly important paragraphs is not your thing....turn away now...:

11(b) is the clincher here....."exceptional circumstances" can mean anything....especially when dealing with the WFAI.....players away...cat died.....it's too cloudy...grass is wrong shade of green...etc...

Clubs shall be drawn in lots:
11 (a)The lots shall be drawn and the Competition matches played as the Council may determine, and immediately after each drawing the competition secretary shall intimate to each of the Clubs drawn, the name and colours of the Club it is drawn against, and the date upon which the tie is to be played.
(b) All games must be played at the appointed time and on the appointed date(s).
In exceptional circumstances, the Competitions' Committee reserves the right to alter any date or kick-off time of any match in any Competition covered by these Rules.

link to full doc: http://www.fai.ie/index.php?option=c...mens&Itemid=62 (http://www.fai.ie/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=100792:rules-for-the-2010-umbro-fai-womens-cup-competitions&catid=31:fai-umbro-senior-challenge-cup-womens&Itemid=62)

[The One]

DWSL is not even running at the moment and they have no players registered with that league as it doesn't exist yet......seem ridiculous that with their recent record they were allowed to enter a team at all....

[jw_tfc]

aisling annacotty v salthill | Salthill
peamount v cork league/wilton | Peamount
drimnagh v fyfc | FYFC (Must find out what happened here)
templeogue v kilmacrennan | Templeouge
st francis v mayo | St Francis
limerick league v dundalk | Limerick
st catherine v monaghan | St Catherines
terenure v wexford | Home advantage, our first time in the competition, Big task for our girls..

Wonder how the bank holiday will affect the strength of all teams..
Hopefully the Volcano ash keeps some of ours grounded!!

[LmkSnr]

JUST ASKIN!.....Lifford doesn't exist as a club anymore is what I have bin told....any1 know any more on this? If Lifford girls are playing with Limerick....I'll change my forecast and go Lmk....if not....Dundalk(Aisling Dyer will be hard to beat in the Dundalk goal.....midfield is okay...but they don't really have anything up front)

As far as I am aware they are still in existance but I am sure there is someone in a better position than me to comment and I think there are Lifford people on this forum to make their own statement.

[AWOL]

- JUST ASKIN!.....Lifford doesn't exist as a club anymore is what I have bin told....any1 know any more on this? If Lifford girls are playing with Limerick....I'll change my forecast and go Lmk....if not....Dundalk(Aisling Dyer will be hard to beat in the Dundalk goal.....midfield is okay...but they don't really have anything up front)



Just to clarify the Lifford issue....Lifford DO still exist as a Club and are very much a team still together, they are not taking part in the Senior Cup this season and so a number of the girls are playing for the Limerick League Selection. Hopefully all this crap talk of Lifford not existing as a team anymore will be put to bed!!! Its getting old.....